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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Protestors line Phoenix streets for Obama speech


www.bizjournals.com

Opponents of President Barack Obama’s health care reform have been accused of contriving their protests with paid help at town halls and other events.

But it was pro-reform forces who were drumming up more traffic Monday in downtown Phoenix as both sides of the debate geared up for Obama’s speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars meeting at the Phoenix Convention Center.

Hundreds of protestors on both sides of the health issue lined up along downtown streets Monday morning. Labor unions were heavy on the pro-Obama side with members of the Service Employees International Union, National
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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 11:49 AM
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Ok. So there is some money being thrown around. ACORN thats no surprise, but who exactly is fueling the other side? Is it the GOP? What organizations specifically? FOX News?

In the past, the revolution wasn't so main stream. Now it is everyday News. The MSM are covering these town halls like they are going out of style. Not to mention the propoganda being spewed from both sides.

I don't think this is our revolution. I believe TPTB are orchestrating a staged revolution.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Here are a couple pictures and another story on the protest.

www.eastvalleytribune.com...

The blare of megaphones rose with the sun in downtown Phoenix Monday as hundreds of protestors from all over the political spectrum called for President Barack Obama to take action on myriad issues.

The crowds got louder as the president’s arrival neared, and tempers flared as people with different views passed each other on the streets.





I'm really glad to see people out protesting Obamacare. After watching his last town hall, I'm more convinced that we will have the buyer's remorse.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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I don't understand why there has to be money being thrown around?

People don't like the health care reform. They don't want to sit on their butts saying oh well. They get up and they line the streets or fill the parking lots.

But since they are protesting against the Great One they must be right wing activists who are in the pocket of the GOP.

I keep hearing the left talk about fear mongering and how the right is spreading lies. I think they should look in the mirror and shut up.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:09 PM
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Exactly. It's not really a revolution if people are paid to rebel or vice versa. It stinks.

Maybe socialized healthcare wouldn't be that bad, but I have a feeling that is not exactly the case.

I have a feeling whatever happens, will happen to maintain peace and order.

Therefor protecting the interests of bankers and insurance companies that have signed on to Obamacare.

Heres a thought.

We don't know where the stimulus money went.

What if it went to finance a civil war.

Or worse yet, to fulfill some sort of obligation to a contract with international bankers, so that foreign troops could enforce the will of the bankers in the United States?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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Looks like they're throwing in the towel, just reported on Fox News.

I think the way that the left has handled this with their deceitful tactics has hurt them badly. Possibly enough to insure the rest of his term he can continue sightseeing on our dime because he is about to turn into a lame duck prez unable to get anything done.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Yeah they screwed themselves bigtime.

That was mostly because of the decietful tactics and money laundering through ACORN.

Their credibility is screwed and that worries me. Not that I am in support of Obamacare, but there are things about it that could be good for everyone. I think this healthcare bill is a front. I do believe that the healthcare issue needs to be fixed, AFTER we get our financial ducks in a row.

We are going to be forced a healthcare plan that falls way short of our needs from lack of agreement and civil unrest. Thats my prediction.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by nickoli
Looks like they're throwing in the towel, just reported on Fox News.

I think the way that the left has handled this with their deceitful tactics has hurt them badly. Possibly enough to insure the rest of his term he can continue sightseeing on our dime because he is about to turn into a lame duck prez unable to get anything done.


Perhaps, but we cant back down yet. I'm getting the feeling the white house wants people thinking they are giving it up, in order to stop the protests. We need to keep pounding our points home and make sure there is no chance of Obamacare.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Jeez, this is why I dislike America a lot, you listen to idiots like Beck, Hannity, Palin, and Limbaugh. I may not support Obama, but dudes, socialised medicine will help you yanks out. I'm from Canada and we've got the 6th or 7th best healthcare system in the world, while you've got the 37th. Yah sure 1 in 5 of us die, but that's a hell of a lot better that the 3 of 5 you guys have. This is one reason that he went to Canada first. He is copying our health and banking systems (though he's not doing so well with the banking part). The only reason people and politicians hate the bill is because they are being payed off by the insurance companies to talk slander about this health care reform, and you believe the babbling of idiots. There are no death pannels and you will not run out of medicine. You were all tricked by that retarded waste of space Sarah Palin. Has anyone seriously read the bill? If you've have you would support it. Sure your taxes may go up, but come on, isn't that a small price to pay for your health? your beinn beaten by France in health care, hell even Cuba treats it's people better that you guys. Do you seriously want to be beaten by them? You guys must be stupid to oppose this bill. You all wouldn't die cause the friggen insurence companies would have to pay for it and not back out like they always do and leave you holding the bag.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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Well I have, I think it could be a good thing. There are some serious problems with the bill though and I think Obama is tackling the wrong issues.

If there was real medical reform. I could go to the hospital and get treated. No questions asked. If the government wants to be in charge then why are they so out of control and why are they leaving that burden on us? Many of us can't even pay bills right now. Now we are supposed to worry about insurance? All while there is a financial crisis and a health crisis?

I am all for a better health care system. But I feel like they are jamming the issue down our throats.

Bottom liner though. The transperant activities between Obama administration and ACORN are down right decietful any way you cut it.

Why are Americans afraid of healthcare reform?

We don't trust out President. Thats why. Not that we trust a whole lot of people in our government any more.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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Yes, thats true, but maybe if the health care costs weren't so astronomical to begin with and you didn't follow Bush to this pointless war on terrorism, maybe people could afford your bills and things wouldn't be such a crap-hole for the entire world. As for not trusting your president, if the american people dont trust and back his policies, I don't mean you have to back everyone of them, most not all, then he will seem weak to the other leaders and that in turn will make him and your counrty seem week to the rest of the world and america will lose it's standing on the world stage. And I'd doubt you'd want that now right?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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I guess alot of people dont realize that many of the union workers cant afford to insure there family yes they have a health package for themselves but when it comes to family members they pay out of pocket so whats wrong with them protesting.

oregon.gov...


As a homecare worker, you may qualify for medical-dental insurance through the Homecare Union Benefits Board (HUBB). As long as you work enough hours, your monthly premium for insurance is paid in full. But if you work too few hours or want to add a spouse and/or children to the plan, you pay a monthly premium.

The Family Health Insurance Assistance Program (FHIAP) is a state program that helps pay the monthly premium for health insurance for Oregonians who meet income and other guidelines (see below). There are no current openings. However, you may want to put your name on a list to reserve an application..



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by The Killah29
As for not trusting your president, if the american people dont trust and back his policies, I don't mean you have to back everyone of them, most not all, then he will seem weak to the other leaders and that in turn will make him and your counrty seem week to the rest of the world and america will lose it's standing on the world stage. And I'd doubt you'd want that now right?


On the other hand, if the American people believe that the current president's policies will significantly weaken America in the long term, why should they support those policies?

That's why we hold presidential elections every four years. If Obama is viewed as a weak president on the international stage due to lack of public support, so be it. He can be replaced in 2012. We've survived weak presidents before, Jimmy Carter being Exhibit A.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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There is also a lot of big money funding the anti HC demonstrations.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When big money is concerned, the shills come out on both sides.
Nothing new.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by vor78
Jimmy Carter being Exhibit A.


Are you a friggen idiot!?! it was Carter who got the hostages out of Iran, and not Ragan. and on top of that Carter was a humanitarian. We would try to save people istead of kill people and instigate war like Nickson, Ragan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr. This makes Jimmy Sarter a stronger amn than these people ever would be. It takes a strong man to attack, but a stronger man to help others. Get your friggen facts straight man!


 

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Well that was my underlying point.

Who is backing these anti-HC groups? Grassroots orginaizations which are paid by who?
Pharmaceutical companies? Somebody else?

If we really want to see the bigger picture, we have to follow the money.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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And you expect different from Margaret Talev?

Talev is a spin writer for the White House. One of the chosen... on the inside so to speak.


With that, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs launched the first press gaggle of the Obama presidency to be held in Mr. Gibbs’ private office. Only a select few reporters were invited – well, more like 50, per Gibbs deputy Bill Burton, who sent out the emails early Friday. About 20 showed up for the 9:45 a.m. session. No TV cameras. Krispy Kremes on the table, courtesy of Margaret Talev of McClatchy News Service.


Margaret Talev is the author of the Yahoo article spawning that other thread.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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With the exception of John McCain (R-AZ), Max Baucus (D-MT) received more money than any other current member of Congress from both the health insurance and the pharmaceutical industries. For the 2006, 2008 and 2010 election cycles, Baucus received $213,400 in contributions from health insurance companies and $229,520 from the pharmaceutical industry. As chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, Baucus is one of the primary architects of health care reform in Congress.


www.consumerwatchdog.org...

Anybody recognize the name Max Baucus?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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The only relevant fact is that Carter was not a popular president and his policies were not supported by the public in the 1980 election. The same thing happened in 1992, of course, and has happened several times in US history.

Incumbents lose elections sometimes, obviously due to lack of public support. That itself does not diminish US standing in the world, just as it does not when the leader of any nation holding free elections loses.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Possible 35,000+ protestors coming for Pittsburgh G-20 Summit Sept. 24-25 2009


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Check that out

should be interesting






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