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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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This Is Offending To Me That Youd Group Us All Together And Say That We ALL Dont Know Were Talking About. I Would Not Categorize Myself With The Obama Crazed Americans. Just Letting You Know It Felt Sort Of Personal That You Were Saying AMERICANS, Instead Of MOST Americans. That Would Mean Your Just Like Most Americans That Think Just Because Some Afganistans Hate Us And Beat Their Wives, That They All Do XD But If You Meant Most, Then I Agree, I Am Pretty Sick Of It Myself.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by metamagic

Originally posted by KSPigpen
Hmm. Never one to run away from a good anonymous argument.


I don't see that what's going on in America is any of your business, if you don't live here.




Yes, what does go on in the US concerns those who don't live there because it affects us, usually in brutal, ugly and violent ways. And if you reply that you don't care about that, you basically have proven my point.



[edit on 17-8-2009 by metamagic]


I feel a little hurt that you didn't read my whole post, or didn't get it, but I'm an AMERICAN, so I'll just blame you.


I cannot argue with your point at all. I don't think most of us even realize that we are so arrogant. I know I have to work on it all the time.

You see, it's easy to label a country's people based on what their government decides and carries out in their name. I have NEVER had a representative I have voted for be elected. Yeah, I'm whining, I know. But the average citizen has very little say in the way things are run around here. We like to pretend like we do, and puff our chests out and go on about how we're free and all that, but we're not.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are billions of people that despise the U.S. and probably, rightfully so. We are, by nature a self-righteous lot.
That helps us 'be right' when we're invading your country. Our politicians work behind the scenes to line their pockets through the blood of uninformed, 'patriotic' servants. It sucks, but that's sort of what this is about.

Until America 'get's a clue' as it was stated, we will continue to allow our 'leaders' to rape and pillage in our name. When the system of representation no longer works, we are left with no choice but to find something that will. The trouble is, our people don't do 'change' really well and there will be some hurt feelings. Many are unaware, or choose not to see, and now, more and more are getting nervous and excitable. Change is coming and it leaves a definite smell in the air.

Of course I care, as human being, what any nation does to infringe on the rights of another. The senseless killing, the exploitation, the profiteering. I hate it all, but all things have to run their course until it's time. It's almost time.

My point was, instead of telling the people of the US how tired you are of hearing them complain, or make references to Hitler, or anything else, help us find a mutually agreeable solution. When you complain about us complaining, doesn't that make you a hypocrite?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
I for the life of me don't understand why other countries care about or think they should have some influence on health care policy in America.

I'm not interested in changing the Canadian or UK health care system. Why are you so interested in changing mine?





[edit on 17-8-2009 by jjkenobi]


I'm on the same boat as you.

and if he doesn't like having canadian troops in Iraq or Afgan then he needs to go to his government about it......not ours.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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Being an AMERICAN I do not care what your opinion is concerning the policies of OUR country. You may be happy with socialism, I'm happy for you. You have not experienced the true freedom we are used to having because you have not had the privilege of living in the United States. We patriots are not willing to so willing give up our hard fought for freedoms because we know the only way we will get them back is by the shedding of precious blood. If you are willing to compromise so be it. Join the rest of the world. But as for TRUE AMERICANS we choose to keep our freedoms.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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no thanks, I like actually getting my health care this year, not waiting in lines endlessly for even some of the most simple of care or treatment. You may be fine with it, we're not.

we're not sorry we refuse to feel guilt about 'how good we have it' and want to improve on it even more.

We're sorry you feel offended at our protesting this current clown in office the way we are. we're in a bad mood, could canada perhaps crank up its export of mediocre beer and mid level comedians to this country a little more? we weren't sure there was anything else your country had to offer besides those. They cheer us up somewhat.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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I can certainly understand why you are interested in American political issues. You’re right, many of the domestic choices that the US makes do have an impact on the rest of the world.

But I don’t think you truly understand why so many Americans are adverse to socialism and why so many of us are appaled with Obama’s socialist agenda.

The reason is that many of us believe that the reason the USA has become a global superpower, and for that matter the reason why our policies influence the rest of the world, is largely due to the driving force behind our economy and our traditional views on issues given to us by our founders and framers.

Simply put, we feel that America has fallen off track and is being pushed away from those ideals more and more drastically every decade, rising to a frenzy of “change we can believe in” with the election of the recent administration.

We don’t want those ideals corrupted. They put us where we are today.
I’m glad you like your government and your health care, but please don’t assume that because many US citizens do not that we’re all stupid.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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Well how nice for you. My college educated adult children have no health insurance, they cannot even find a job that does..... or does not offer health care. Hope you don't loose your job. Hope your children grow up and have jobs.....with healthcare.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by gaborn415
First of all the United States is a Republic founded on a constitution which strictly limits the authority and scope of the federal government. The idea of socialism, which you enjoy is strictly speaking slavery, as under socialism everyone has some claim to everyone else's life. Their labor, their moneuy, their lives are not their own but property of some nameless mass of government/people/whatever. The definition of slavery is...
slav·er·y (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
1. The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.
2.
a. The practice of owning slaves.
b. A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
3. The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
4. A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.

Check numbers 1 and 3 and then when you understand the english language come back and argue how you're not a slave. We the American people do not wish to be slaves, as this is the US and not Canada, we don;t give a crap what you do, you an have a big socialist slavery party and practice humans sacrifice all you wish, for us we prefer freedom.


You the American people also fall under most of those points, your government undermines the constitution at every opportunity and are actively killing people in other countries to spread "democracy", in terms of freedom Americans generally work longer hours than Europeans from what I've seen (and often have several jobs).

There's a quote somewhere that goes something like "the best slaves are those who falsely believe they are free" which I think is relevant here, most Europeans probably can't understand why you aren't all biting Obama's hand off but instead fighting it.


[edit on 17-8-2009 by mc1km]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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To the OP:

I know why you care so much about what happens in America. You suffer from the typical Canadian inferiority complex. Everything you do, you have to compare to America. You have nothing to do with the American healthcare debate but right away you have to start comparing your supposed superior healthcare to ours. Guess what, nobody is really comparing our healthcare with Canada's. I just don't hear Canada come up in too many conversations about it. We don't look to Canada as the model healthcare system. We want an American system of our own that works for all of us. People against Obamacare don't want the government involved in healthcare decisions and don't care what people in Canada think.

It's not arrogance. It is just that Americans feel a pride in our country and being uniquely American that Canadians could never understand.

America fought for its freedom and defeated the British in 1776 and gained independence after glorious military defeat of the most powerful military of the time and went on to write the most important political documents ever, The Declaration of Indepenence and the Constitution of the United States. Meanwhile our "little brother" in the north, Canada remained loyal subjects of the crown until 206 years later. In 1982 the brits handed Canada independence in a ceremony after they decided they were done with them. So you see we in America view national pride differently then you might. You guys were bending a knee to the Queen of England until 1982.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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WOW! this post shows how much you really know about America or Canada for that matter! Were you not aware that Obama is the one that hands your government Que cards and tells them what to say on air just as he does to mexico. And as for the hell care reform you might like being told what care you get and how much of it you can have but beings that we are one of the last psydo free countrys we are fighting to keep it as free as we can before the floride,chem trails,GMO's and fake terror attacks break the spirit of the last TRUE americans that live here. We are not saying we dont need a better healthcare system but what we are saying is we dont want this list of crap they are trying to force down our throats!
here is a LITTLE taste of what we are being told to accept.

page 29: ADMISSION: your health care will be rationed.

page 30: A government committee will decide what treaments and benefits you get. and unlike an insurer there will be no appeals committee.

page 42: the "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. NONE!

page 50: all non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

page 58: EVERY person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

page 59: the federal government will have real time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

page 124: no company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed!

page 127: The AMA sold out our doctors! The government will set all wages!


And thats just a TASTE of what is in the bill so until you live in our shoes in our country you can keep your hate and discontent to yourself!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by eaglehawk
Being an AMERICAN I do not care what your opinion is concerning the policies of OUR country. You may be happy with socialism, I'm happy for you. You have not experienced the true freedom we are used to having because you have not had the privilege of living in the United States. We patriots are not willing to so willing give up our hard fought for freedoms because we know the only way we will get them back is by the shedding of precious blood. If you are willing to compromise so be it. Join the rest of the world. But as for TRUE AMERICANS we choose to keep our freedoms.

I wish I can give you more stars.


George Bush said something that I agree with, and I think it is suitable for this topic as well. When he was addressing the United States to invade Iraq, he said, "We do not need a permission slip to defend America." I absolutely agree with this statement. It does not matter what other countries think about the United States. What matters is "What Americans think about the United States". We are friends and allies with so many diverse countries; however, we stand tall and independent from them for a reason. People come to the United States to be free from limitations set by their own governments. If those same people do not like our way of life, they can go back to where they came from. Do NOT try to come here and change our laws. It will NOT be tolerated.

The world needs to wake up. I don't care if you hated that we invaded Iraq, I don't care if you hate our anti-socialistic ways, and I don't care if you hate our way of life. If you do not like it in America, don't make plans to vacation here.


I vote to get this anti-American thread closed.


[edit on 17-8-2009 by Pathos]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Pathos


The world needs to wake up. I don't care if you hated that we invaded Iraq, I don't care if you hate our anti-socialistic ways, and I don't care if you hate our way of life. If you do not like it in America, don't make plans to vacation here.


Yeah I feel the same way.


The only reason the EUtopians could even afford their welfare states was because we were providing the external security. Meanwhile they imported millions of people who are at the moment ploting their cultural destruction of Europe

Too much Euro-thinking has infiltrated the media and the Universities.. Our politicians are morons now and so are too many of the people.

Barack Obama is the most Euoprean-thinking president ever.. no wonder this country is in turmoil. It doesn't work here. We dont want it. We explicitly reject it.

Europeans have a lot of nerve to complain anyway... it was they who were the global Imperialists... invading and controlling almost every inch of earth and at the height of their global conquest they decide to kill each other and then all their oversees projects have to come to an end because the Europeans are exhausted, physically, mentally, economic, spiritually, morally.

And who is left trying to manage the aftermath of all this?

Us.. a people who wanted nothing more than to live our own lives in liberty and enjoy the country that we built.

If the world sucks its because Europe had its hand in every part of it and then committed suicide.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
I can't take it anymore, America in intellectually bankrupt. Americans have absolutely no concept of how good they have it and are even more ignorant (if that's possible) of even the simplest government policies of their neighbors.


Give me a break... we are tired of you, and the rest of the Socialists, btw, not saying in any derogatory way, but you believe in Socialism don't you?, around the world who want us to imitate you in everything that you do.


Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Every time I hear Americans call their president, and worse, their fellow Americans, socialists in a derogatory manor, I cringe and bite my lip.


Perhaps you haven't noticed but Americans of all political parties are TIRED of the current administration, and the promises it keeps breaking.

This is the WORSE U.S. administration that HAS EVER EXISTED...

Under the Obama administration we are more in debt, not to mention that over $9 trillion dollars were lost into a "black hole".

Under laws implemented by the current administration such as H.R. 1388 the president and the government gave power over our education and mandatory as well as voluntary Community Service over to the Corporation, whatever the hell that is.

We learned that the Obama administration made a deal with Big pharma, the same deal he kept saying was going to stop and was denuncing every chance he got.


So now we know why the president wants everyone to make nice in the healthcare debate. His White House has cut a deal with Big Pharma that smells like the same old rotten politics that candidate Obama regularly denounced and promised to end. The drug industry agrees to deliver $80 billion in future savings and the president promises the government will not use its awesome purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.

www.thenation.com...




Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Believe it or not, America is in the minority in being against social initiatives, most notably, health care. The rest of the developed world is not "imploding" under the stress of "socialist rule", we're happy the way things are and in fact we even voted these policies into law, democratically!


Who gives a rat's butt if we are a minority?.... YOU have no right in meddling in our internal affairs at all. We really don't care what you do in your own nation, and none of us is claiming that you should 'CHANGE".

You do whatever the heck you want, but let us make our own decisions.

BTW, your country isn't so great, and even in healthcare so STOP CLAIMING yOUR HEALTHCARE IS EXCELLENT AND WE SHOULD HAVE THE SAME.... Many of your people COME TO THE U.S. FOR HEALTHCARE...


Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Canada, Briton, France, Sweden, etc, etc, etc. are all proud of the governments we've all helped to establish and maintain and I'll be damned if a bunch of Yankees tell me it's all a sham and destined for failure and bankruptcy.


First of all, YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT WANTS TO CHANGE YOUR HEALTHCARE BECAUSE IT IS BANKRUPT, and it is not giving proper medical help to Canadians despite the claims of people like you.... It is not us, but your government who says so...


Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors
By Jennifer Graham (CP) – 2 days ago

SASKATOON — The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Dr. Anne Doig says patients are getting less than optimal care and she adds that physicians from across the country - who will gather in Saskatoon on Sunday for their annual meeting - recognize that changes must be made.

"We all agree that the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," Doing said in an interview with The Canadian Press.

www.google.com...


In Britain the Brittish had the largest peaceful demonstration in the history of England as hundreds of thousands of Britons went to the streets to protest losing their rights as they blindly believed the lies of their government, and now they are paying for it...

www.youtube.com...

In France, and in most of Europe that are riots every year, and they keep getting worse and worse because many of the people are not happy with those governments, and yes it does includes 2nd and 3rd generations of Muslims who were born in European countries...




Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
All these "Americans" holding up signs of president Obama with a Hitler mustache and equating him with Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler himself at these town hall meetings are idiots beyond help. They are not "patriots", they're ignorant morons and this is from someone that really doesn't care if your government is run by democrats, republicans or real fascists at this point.


Here we go, another one throwing insults to anyone who dares to question the Obama administration...

Perhaps Americans wouldn't be showing the similarities if the Obama administration did not continue to try to emulate such dictatorships....



Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
When the elections in America were still being held, I'll admit, I cared who won. I cared because, like it or not, American policies shape the world and I genuinely care about the welfare of the people of our planet as a whole.


We Americans don't get involved in your politics, and NEITHER SHOULD YOU get involved in our politics no matter the outcome...




Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
I am in support, however, of Obama's push for socialized health care in America.


Here we go... YOU have NOTHING to say about how our healthcare system should be ran... You shouldn't be in SUPPORT for any American candidate because you are NOT an American.



Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
America is not the only country in the world, what you say does reach people outside of your boarders and quite frankly a large chunk of you come off as children, and that's being generous.


so you are claiming that we shouldn't say anything about your system, but you, and the rest of the Socialist nations have a right to say what should happen in he U.S.?... That's very hypocritical.

Then you make up a thread in which you insult all Americans, even without understanding that MANY in the Left side of politics do not like what the Obama administration is doing, and are agianst the healthcare reform because we DARED to read what is in it....


Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Some of you should think long and hard about that before posting something stupid.


You just did... You insulted all Americans even those in the left, or moderates, or who are part of other political parties who do not want the healthcare reform as proposed by the Obama administration... [snip]


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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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And as a constitutional republic we declared slavery illegal in the way a constitutional republic does, with a constitutional amendment. Every country has made mistakes even within the scope of their own laws, the US's problems are caused primarily by the progressive movement today and the quiet overthrow of the framework of our legal system the constitution. The errors the US is making today have much more to do with blindly ignoring the limits of the Constitution and acting as a Democracy, rather than a Republic, which I fear we lost a long time ago.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:09 PM
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I guess I will be banned for this....................

[snip]

That is just from reading the summary of this drivel, You do not live here and pay for those who don't pay their way and we are tired of it.

EXAMPLE: Citizen is able to work, does not because bad Dr. says can't, DOES NOT PAY TAXES AND GETS A $3,000.00 REFUND

I still wish u the best wherever up north you are eh????????



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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

I can't take it anymore, America in intellectually bankrupt.


Give us some time, most of the world has a few thousand years on us, or nice motherly colonial patronage.


Right now some of us are going through a little

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Tantrums are part of teenage nations, sorry about that.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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God, it must be just great!

I wish I had enough time on my hands to worry about what was going on in other nation's governments.

I must be one of those ignorant Americans the OP was talking about. Because I don't have any idea of who's running for what office in any other country.

Not because of my ignorance.

I just don't give a damn.

Up in Canada, if you want Obama, you can have that SOB. He's done nothing but created ruin, division, and a financially black hole for our nation.

Take that POS off our hands, and we'll throw in a set of towels. Commie red ones.

I think some of the laws of every country suck. Including my own.

Don't you foreigners worry about us in the US getting a clue.

You take care of your problems, and we'll concern ourselves with our own.

And if you have that much time on your hands, Iraq can use your advice right now. They've got a country full of Muslims who are set on killing each other.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by phoenix103
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Starred and flagged. WELL SAID!

OK, I'm 100% behind Obama, mainly for the reasons you suggest.

To hear the misinformed, morally and educationally bankrupt little redneck racist muppets slagging off countries they don't have a clue about boils my blood.

Those people should hang their ignorant heads in shame. Sadly, I suspect they're too dumb to realise just how wrong they are.


it boils my blood when people like you go throwing around words like that. So alot of americans are concerned about what our government is doing.

Just because we protest or argue or demonstrate doesnt make us any of the bull# you called us. America is all about standing up for your beliefs and being free to do so without narrowminded high and mighties talking their garbage.

Your adolescent name slinging and gross generalizations show who is really the ignorant one in this argument.

when a thread goes from intellegent debate to moronic name slinging it degrades the entire ATS community

CW out

for good on healthcare threads



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