Why is Christianity so hated?

Originally posted by KRISKALI777
reply to post by VinceP1974

 

Although the divisive line between politics and religions are blury sometimes , and in the case of Israel, Saudi, etc. My comments where not to be taken as a comparison between Christianity and communist factions etc.
Your response is just a 'Knee-jerk' and intolerent as I would expect anyone 'Hell-bent' on protecting their own beliefs.
Intolerent is a word I use for individuals that cannot grasp the fact that others may have different beliefs than themselves- is this what you are trying to portrait???
If so you've made a good start.

My response to you was a number of a questions. how can asking a question be intolerent? And for your info, I am not particularly religious, so I hate to burst your stereotyping.. though dont let that stop you.

It's laughable to say I'm intolerant.. I believe in the US Constitution and individual Liberty, the foundations that Christians devised and so many Non-Christians right now today are seeking to destroy with Socialism.

You Leftists complain about alleged Christians forcing morality on you , it seems like no one can disagree with anything the Holy ones on the Left without walking away from the episode being called some sort of name like racist, bigot, homophobe, islamophobe, sexist, etc..

You are all so morally superior that you are justified in your quick resort to launch your little cliche insults.

To ask me if I'm aware that other people have other beliefs is really such a stupid question. And for someone who avoided answering my questions and instead chose to label my daring to ask you a question as "intolerance", you should refrain from compounding on that stupidity by engaging in more of it.

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by VinceP1974

 

"Mass immigration has changed Europe's demography and is rapidly changing its culture"
And unfortunately this is bleeding into North America too. If we are to preserve this great land then limits have to be held. Zero tolerance for Sharia law! All US lawmakers, lawyers, and judges need to be educated about this plague.

[edit on 20-8-2009 by JJay55]

This is a letter I wrote to my Congressman (D-IL-3/Chicago) when the Dems took the House in 07 and Nancy Pelosi held up military funding bills for months and then finally let a bill pass that had a deadline for withdrawal and billions in pork spending.


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March 26, 2007
Daniel Lipinski
Congressman – Illinois 3rd
1717 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Mr. Lipinksi:

The Congress of the United States has made me so angry that I’m writing this letter at 2AM on Monday morning 26 March.
I can not believe… my mind is still processing this… I can not believe that the House of Representatives have passed the atrocity that is HR1591. In your statement you write:

“In particular, I am glad that this bill provides $750 million to SCHIP, enabling children in Illinois to continue to receive quality health care. And the $400 million in funding for LIHEAP will help many of my constituents heat their homes throughout the winter."

What?!

You are GLAD that a bill that hands over Iraq to Al Qaida in 2008 contains more than $1,000,000,000 in pork for Illinois. Blood money, Congressman… the bloodiest. I am distraught that I’m represented in the Congress of the United States by someone who is GLAD that he was bought off by the extreme Left in Congress.
Congressman, do you know anything about the enemy we face? Do you? The ONLY people you should be (as your statement put it) “pressuring” is the vast array of Jihadis who are running wild all over the Earth. But no, you want to “pressure” the President.
No matter what the faults of President Bush are… and there are many… do you think he needs more pressure? And Pressure from craven politicians from Congress no less.


Why is no mention of our enemy to be found in your statement, Congressman? Or is the enemy the President?

The Sunni and Shiite Islamic Jihadis are absolutely determined to destroy us. They state this themselves as much as they can. They are not motivated by economics, technology, or some secular Marxist ideology.
They are devout followers of their religion. They believe in the core of their hearts and minds that they are working toward the betterment of mankind by destroying us. Their religious faith is what propels them and fills them with confidence.

Al Qaida and others have explicitly stated they are relying on Anti-American and Leftists domestic groups in the United States to emasculate the US. You , sir, are the tool they are relying on. You’re glad?
Are you glad that you’re validating their religious faith? YOU are contributing to their confidence that Allah will bring us down just as Allah brought down the Soviet Union.
Islam has been at war against the world since 622AD. Do you think they’re not going to wait ONE MORE YEAR for us to leave Iraq… just as the Soviet Union left Afghanistan and then fell out of existence.. and feel they have defeated a second Superpower?
This is going to cause an EXPLOSION in Islam. They are going to go into such a frenzy of religious revival, the blood will be flowing from all quarters of the Earth.

Congressman: You and your party will have contributed to untold destruction because you caused the US to back down. Back down to Jihadis! Jihadis who destroyed Persia… Jihadis who destroyed Byzantium and Constantinople. Jihadis who have been savagely brutalizing the Israelis.
Why Congressman..? Why? Please don’t tell me that you hate Republicans so much that you have to offer up the country as a sacrifice. I hope you’re not one of those people.

This is a map of Jihadi attacks around the world since 2003. 4,454 attacks with 28,957 dead.



Your vote has confirmed to the Jihadi that it is only a matter of time before the United States is completely neutralized and their effort at imposing Sharia upon the world is a certainty.
I think Bridgeview is in your district. Our little local hotbed of Islamic terror. I scanned through your press releases going back to 05 and I don’t see any messages about any involvement with that community. I infer from that and your enthusiastic support of this bill that perhaps you are not aware of the basics of Islam.

Congressman, I’m an Italian-American male, 32 years old now. Grew up in Bridgeport, went to High School in Oak Lawn.

I knew as much about Islam as anyone else… which is to say.. nothing. In the 90s, I was living in Hong Kong and an English ex-pat asked me what I thought about some strange Arab guy Bin Laden.

Tuff tuff.. I told him it’s absurd that anyone should give him any attention, he’s a media creation and that’s all. Later that year two US embassies were destroyed. I was determined to find out why I had dismiss the man… what did I not know that I should have known? That required learning about Islam.

Islam is more than the standard personal faith that most religions are. Islam is also a Totalitarian Military-Political System that will tolerate nothing other than itself. And will use any means (nothing is too extreme) to spread itself.

I have the misfortune of working in the Sears Tower… any out of place noise in that building causes me to go through my internal “have we been attacked” checklist. I do not feel any more secure with that travesty that you voted for

Please learn about Islam and undo the damage you and your party have done. Below my name I will leave you with some words about Islam that men far greater than myself have spoken

Reply to post by JJay55

Yes, I understand. However, it seems that you my friend did not understand what I meant when I said it will not end everything




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reply to post by VinceP1974

I am not particularly religious, so I hate to burst your stereotyping.. though dont let that stop you. It's laughable to say I'm intolerant.. I believe in the US Constitution and individual Liberty, the foundations that Christians devised and so many Non-Christians right now today are seeking to destroy with Socialism.

You see it was YOU who bought the concept of communism into a your post as retort, when it is irrelevant to me!

Surprise: I dont really care what America has in its constiution; and at any rate last time I looked apparently the government of America is Secular.
Not sure what you are getting at; but I think the question proposed in the OP has more scenarios as options for explanation than simple modern politics; hence why Atheists exist.

Talk about stupidity; Nothing can be more STUPID than babbling on about concepts that are irrelevant to the OP.
You are obviously angry and full of hate. And display the attributes which I have aready outlined in the post which made you so hot and bothered.

Do you hate everything before lunch; and then yourself afterwards?'
Surprise: I dont really care what America has in its constiution; and at any rate last time I looked apparently the government of America is Secular.
Not sure what you are getting at; but I think the question proposed in the OP has more scenarios as options for explanation than simple modern politics; hence why Atheists exist.

Oh and another thing: America doesn't run the world.

[edit on 8/20/2009 by KRISKALI777]

reply to post by VinceP1974 Since neither of us has read the book in question, I'll not comment on it. I will say that when it comes to highly charged subject matter such as this, I prefer to look to the figures & work out what they mean myself, rather than take somebody else's interpretation, which may well be biased to their agenda. Which is what I did in the above linked thread. Here is the page where the discussion got into the actual demographic figures:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
The figures actually show, for the UK, that even if we disregard the fact that settled Muslims do have a lower birthrate than 1st gen. immigrants & take a high figure across the board, in 3 generations Muslims would still only produce just over half the children. However, that is to completely ignore many other factors which are likely to reduce that number. I haven't bothered to work out Europe-wide figures, but I cant see how they'd be radically different. Basically, we are not being "overrun" now anymore than we were 30yrs ago. We are simply changing & just as many waves of immigration have produced secular oriented individuals with merely a nodding affiliation to some religious sect, I dont see any reason why recent Muslim immigrants should prove any different to those who came here en masse 30yrs ago, ie only interested in religion for births, deaths & marriages, just the same as most European Christians.
Still, my question stands about what the rise of Islam in Europe has to do with hatred of Christianity, especially by non-Muslims?
Also, am I to take it that I'm not going to get an answer as to what "people" you were lumping me in with?
Anyhoo, I originally came into this thread to talk about the way Christianity represses natural, healthy sexuality & whilst its not alone in that, it seems that now is the time to stick the boot in. I expect the same discussion will happen about Islam eventually.

For the same reason Muslim faith is hated....

Uneducated and Ignorant

Knowing nothing

The sound of Truth when housed in a prison of echoes becomes muffled and gives birth to foreign thoughts that are distorted thus manifesting divisions amongst the understanding of a people and a individual.

Originally posted by KRISKALI777
reply to post by VinceP1974

 

The clear implication in laying things at the feet of religion is that other things aren't responsible like religion is.

With the vast mal-education of people... especially by Marxists.. I feel duty-bound to make sure these people do not get all caught up in the self-validation of their religious rejection.

There are more murderous ideologies than just religious ones. And in recent history those secular non-religious Leftist systems have been responsible for hundreds of millions of deaths.

We're talking about a serious topic here.. it's no dick-size contest of what is better the Millennium Falcon or the Enterprise.

Many people have typed things which seem to say, Oh if we can just rid of those religions there would be peace on earth.

It's a profoundly stupid sentiment to have.

If "tolerance" is a cherished value, then it's entirely appropriate to ask the question... what is more intolerant, the object of your hate (Christianity... which has a neglible killing rate in modern times) or something which is probably more aligned to that person.. Secular Socialism/Communism (100s of Ms)

How many countries were subjugated and kept under brutal occupation and economic devastation all in the name of "fairness" and "compassion"

So the way I see it.. if you're going to hate something/one at least have it be justified.

We are more at risk from what determined Secular Socialists/Communists might do with state power than we are with the Christians of today.

And because much of this anti-religious sentiment comes from that direction, the issue must be raised...

Is one so self-righteous that one does not see the very same qualities that one claims is the basis for one's hatred of Christianity/Christians manifested in himself and his friends as well.


I don't think anyone has denied the bloody history of religions being used for evil. I know I haven't denied it.

I just have a hard time taking seriously those who cant' admit to the even bloodier more recent examples of humans playing god.


And the reason I raised the Muslim issues is because many secular people are also under the notion that all religion is bad.. yet they fail to realize that their policies are increasing Muslim immigration and diminishing national defense effectiveness.

I dont know why exactly this is, but I see no evidence that secular socialists are going to defend their cultures and nations from cultural jihad and other forms of non-violent Islamization. A few in Europe are finally getting it together, but that's only because the violence being done in thier cities can no longer be ignjored.

But here in America.. our Left is really stupid. They insist on forcing this country to make every mistake Europe has made.

Christians are very attuned this assault by the Muslims.. the Muslims regard us both as enemies. Thus if secularist thinks all religion is bad he may not want to work together with Christians to defend ourselves. So a realization has to be made that no, not all religion is bad.

And anything bad that you regard onto Christianity , Islam is also guilty of it but a bazillion times more magnitude.


So what I'm looking for is just a bit of perspective, a realization about the different world we live in today than the one that people predicted decades ago, and that if you're going to go around proclaiming your hate for religion X because it had a bad score of 20, then what about those things that have a bad score of 9081 or 5875452548

Originally posted by Project In Vitro
For the same reason Muslim faith is hated....

Uneducated and Ignorant

Knowing nothing

Your very statement is everything it proclaims to be.

reply to post by VinceP1974


www.thereligionofpeace.com
A list of over 15000 Islamic terrorism incidents since 911.

It's important to educate the American public!!!

Originally posted by JJay55
reply to post by VinceP1974

 

www.thereligionofpeace.com
A list of over 15000 Islamic terrorism incidents since 911.

It's important to educate the American public!!!

In 2007 I had to learn how to use a mapping API for work, so i took the data from that website and plotted all the attacks from 2001 - 2007 onto a map

I can't figure out how to resize hte pic here

You can find this and more maps here

home.comcast.net...

reply to post by truthseeker718

Simply because it is real. and I dont understand these people that dont believe in God.

Here's an easy peasy answer to wrap your head around. When you pray to an invisible deity who doesn't do anything you request, yet the bible clearly states otherwise... goodbye belief, hello cynicism.

Easier now? Good.

reply to post by Agree2Disagree


I grew up Baptist, and have 17 years of reasons and examples of "True Christianity", all of which are less than impressive. Christians should spend more time loving their neighbor ( you know, like Jesus taught ) and less time judging their neighbor. Who are you to decide who the true Christians are, anyways? It would behoove christians to read what Jesus taught because if Christians today did and practised what Jesus preached, there probably wouldn't be so much animosity towards that religion. Basically, if Christians acted more like Buddhists they'd be a lot more acceptable.

As far as Christianity being sadistic, the "God" that is described in the Old Testament does seem to fit the sadistic theme: ordering His "chosen" people to kill men, women, and children of cultures "He" declared to be evil. Not to mention, how do we know it was really "God's" command and not just some dude who wandered around in the desert for too long. Also, I guess you could technically call that part of Judaism, since Jesus repeatedly taught love, charity, and acceptance. Back to that whole "don't judge" thing.

Sadly, the Bible actually does have a lot of material worth reading and following, but as far as the "angry, jealous God" thing and all the repression, well, I just can't see those "fruits" falling from a good tree.

cause the spirituality of christians, god and jesus, are silly in the world's eyes. and these silly christianity absolutely does not like to become intelligent, even refuse all intelligence.
and weren't ther christians who stole, raped, and murdered many many people, even peoples?
well we know this were no real christians. but does the world which has no faith/believe?

imho.

Originally posted by Nyrossius Maxim
reply to post by Agree2Disagree

 

Basically, if Christians acted more like Buddhists they'd be a lot more acceptable.

I love this sentence

Christianity is not the most hated.

Christianity just happens to be the most common religion, and therefore the most familiar, in the countries that are the most free with the most education towards critical thinking.

In other words, Christianity in the modern era is the ONLY prominent religion that happens to co-exist with freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

Chrisitianity is therefore ALLOWED to be critized in a profound way like no other large religion on Earth.

It isn't "so hated" so much as other religions exist in places and with memes that make questioning them dangerous, and unacceptable.

[edit on 2009/8/20 by Aeons]

Reply to post by Nyrossius Maxim

That is because of man and our fallacies.

When a 2nd grade teacher tells one student something, he tells another, and another. By the end, the word is misconstrued, however it may not be completely changed. That is how I view the biblical texts we have today.

I believe it has been misconstrued and changed over the years to be more suitable for man. I do not believe a God who gives his only begotten Son and haves him teach 'turn the other cheek' would do such things. That doesn't mean I do not believe in the biblical texts or in God. It's simply that I believe man has an overall evil heart and will misconstrue even the purest of teachings to suit their greed and ego. Whether this was done way back when, or by the more modern RCC, who is to speculate? I do believe that it has occurred however....


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well the jewish people is more hated through all tmes than christianity, yes.

there is really the danger for cultures and their religions by the christianity and the jewish, that there will be many people who'd like to have also this better and more accepted beloved life.
so in india for example where the low "Kasten" came to some extend to jesus. the high classes didn't and were frightened to lose their power.

so there is really a danger coming from christianity and the jewish people for many!

PS: this is fun...I am a dangerous person

Originally posted by calstorm
Christianity is also one of the most distorted religions. It has been exploited for profit and personal agendas of hate and war.

Therein lies your answer. It has been exploited and distorted, yet, the majority of your Christians refuse to admit it. They want to pretend that there are no flaws or tampering in their religion.

Reply to post by SpeakerofTruth

I agree.

There are still good messages there though. To name just a few:

forbids war and vengeance when persecuted for righteousness sake matthew 5:10-12,38-48

forbids the use of war to promote the christ and gospel 2co 10:3-5

forbids drunkeness, covetousness, and other works of the flesh ga5:19-21

promotes monogamy
matthew19:9, 1co 7:2

promotes equality of men and women 1pe3:7, ga3:28-29

forbids witholding that which is due
1co 7:3-5,1pe3:7

surely those have been conveniently overlooked throughout the years. The crusades anyone?

Surely if man and women are from the same being why has it also stated that women are not to hold leadership in the church? Is it because women, IMO, are less likely to satiate their egos? These have all been "tampered" with.

For those that have eyes, let them see.


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in your eyes: is a man totally equal to a woman? (besides their different bodies?)

sorry for my bad english (am sitting here in austria)
and your desire shall be towards your man.

isn't it like this? so doesn't god, because of this fact, want some clearness between his people instead of chaos?
(am not writing about others than christians and jewish here)
but, shall a woman not be allowed to be a real woman? shall she have to act like a man? I know it's the extreme opposite...but you should understand it this way...