Canadian Healthcare System "Imploding"

reply to post by jdub297


I am not buying in to this ! The timing of a story like this is just to perfect. They are just making somthing out of nothing.

reply to post by exile1981


It's a fairly accurate list on the surface and it does illustrate some fundamental differences.

I've said this a hundred times and I'll say it again. There is no way the US can get healthcare costs under control without some kind of tort reform and from what I understand, that's not going to happen. With punitive damages being imited to something like $100K up here, the insurance costs aren't going through the roof. The doctors also have an insurance cooperative and that keeps their costs down.

I don't think you'll get much dispute about higher taxes either. It's a given that you have to pay taxes to have the govt provide social programs. The way I like to look at it is that when you factor in the $5000+ a year for health insurance, the difference becomes a lot smaller.

Not that there isn't always room for improvement in our system.

Example: It seems wasteful to give hospitals a 'patient budget' and a 'facilities budget', instead of one 'everything budget'. Instead of spending money on underutilized facilities because you have to use it or lose it, we could open more beds.

Originally posted by Duzey
I've said this a hundred times and I'll say it again. There is no way the US can get healthcare costs under control without some kind of tort reform and from what I understand, that's not going to happen.

Tort reform would go a long way to cut costs for the current healthcare system. There is no need to re-invent the wheel as illustrated in Texas.

Doctors Flock to Texas After Tort Reform

We something along these lines implemented nationally to bring down costs. This would be one step towards meaningful healthcare reform and not the government take over of healthcare.

Canadian healthcare is ALOT better than American healthcare. And thousands cheaper. So I don't know if your being anti Canadian or not.

Originally posted by Chovy
Canadian healthcare is ALOT better than American healthcare.

Sorry, but I just had to laugh at that absurdity.

So I don't know if your being anti Canadian or not.

Did you even read the OP. Apparently NOT!
So I guess you are saying that a Canadian is being anti-canadian?

The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

Originally posted by jibeho
Yes, the Canadians are now toying with the notion of adding a private insurance option to bolster up their limping NHS. Shhhh.... Don't tell Obama or the mainstream media.

Should it really be a surprise to anyone. The day our US govt can a run a program efficiently and for the betterment of society is the day hell will truly freeze over.

The word is out and Obama is backpedaling to keep pace with the Canadians.

But the US was never going to get rid of the private insurance in the first place.

Coming from Canada, i have no problem with the healthcare system. I get in right away to my doctor (might have to wait a day or 2 and the most). Great service once im with my doctor. Although I have a very great doctor and amazing healthcare, there are people who dont have the luxury of getting a good doctor. Some doctors might only let you ask them one question.

Crying on a website won't fix anything. You Americans need to get off your collective butts and do something about it.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Chovy
Canadian healthcare is ALOT better than American healthcare.

Sorry, but I just had to laugh at that absurdity.

So I don't know if your being anti Canadian or not.

Did you even read the OP. Apparently NOT!

So I guess you are saying that a Canadian is being anti-canadian?

The incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association says this country's health-care system is sick and doctors need to develop a plan to cure it.

You aren't reading the piece it came from. And background tells you that the outgoing prez likes privatising health care. That is not systemic. And if our healthcare is so bad, how come you guys are falling over each other to slag it. The fact that it works is an ideological threat to the Right.

Find another straw man.

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
You aren't reading the piece it came from. And background tells you that the outgoing prez likes privatising health care. That is not systemic.

You are missing the point of my reply AGAIN.
The point was that I responded to a poster claiming this article was the opinion of an American when clearly a Canadian made the comment regardless of what party the Canadian belongs.

And if our healthcare is so bad

Again, I am not saying your healthcare system is aweful. I am saying that ours is better and the Canadian system it's not right for America nor will it work in America.

how come you guys are falling over each other to slag it. The fact that it works is an ideological threat to the Right.

Huh? Sensitive much?
Nobody is falling over anybody. Sorry if the truth hurts but reality is reality. Your own Canadian just said so in the OP.
Your system is not a threat to anything. It might work for you and you might really believe it works but in reality, it is a very broken system.

Sounds like someone is trying to ride in on Obama coattails.

second line

Originally posted by WhatTheory

how come you guys are falling over each other to slag it. The fact that it works is an ideological threat to the Right.

Huh?

Sensitive much?

Nobody is falling over anybody.

Sorry if the truth hurts but reality is reality. Your own Canadian just said so in the OP.
Your system is not a threat to anything.

It might work for you and you might really believe it works but in reality, it is a very broken system.

A Canadian says something and you apply it across the board? What...you figure there's like 8 of us and he is holding the torch? You say it's broken...you don't know squat about it.

Further, if you think I'm being oversensitive, how come this report generated 3 different threads, and each poster cherry picked a couple of comments and left out the rest?

This is all about the Right making fellow Americans doubt that Government health care can work.

Cure cancer for $32 out of pocket? Tell me that's a bad thing? Why not come up with policy instead of slagging what you can't (or won't) understand?

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


Please don't group us all together.

Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

This person is in the extreme minority.

The Canadian Medical Association is by no means an "extreme minority." These are the people struggling to provide the care you are so thankful for.

Be grateful you were taken care of when Canada still could.

That time is OVER.

jw

What the hell do you know about Canada living in Texas and Indiana Huh?

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
A Canadian says something and you apply it across the board?

It's not just a typical canadian citizen, it's the the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association.
Surly that holds a little more weight.

Further, if you think I'm being oversensitive, how come this report generated 3 different threads

I don't know, ask the people who started the threads. Perhaps because they thought it relevant.

This is all about the Right making fellow Americans doubt that Government health care can work.

That is because government healthcare cannot work especially in America. Nobody seems to want to face reality.
Everything the government controls eventually becomes bankrupt, corrupt and full of fraud and waste. Examples include medicare, medicaid, welfare and VA hospitals just to name a few. What on earth makes you believe nationized healthcare will be any different?

Cure cancer for $32 out of pocket?

Tell that to all the people who are not allowed to get cancer medicine in canada because they don't meet the 'requirements' which includes age.
Plus, where do you think all the cancer drugs and research is mainly being funded? Anwser: The current american system. Thanks!

Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
What the hell do you know about Canada living in Texas and Indiana Huh?

That type of thinking cuts both ways.
Since you made that statement, you should not be saying anything negative towards the american system because after all, what the hell do you know living in canada.

As a Canadian I have to say that although our health care system may have problems, I'd take it any day over what the U.S. has. I find it baffling why so many people are against a public system when it is in their best interest. I see un-employed Americans being against public health care when they can't afford insurance because its socialist or even "communist" they say. In reality, when you get rid of the private insurance companies and all of the middle men, the public system is cheaper and much friendlier. The public-run system doesn't require that a huge profit be made and won't cancel your insurance when you need it the most. Per capita, when you take into account what we spend on health care in the form of taxes, we spend on average way less in Canada than what an American spends on private insurance.

A lot of the anti-public propaganda originates from the private insurance companies like was pointed out in the article on CNN today. I also love the claims that our health care systems are collapsing. That's another myth. Our government typically run balanced budgets so no worries about going bankrupt over health care expenditures. Despite the over-publicized cases of a person who didn't get good care, we don't have 55,000 people dying every year because their insurance was cancelled when they were diagnosed with a serious illness and their plan was cancelled. We don't have millions of people with zero insurance and people dying as a result. Gad, your unemployment rate is at 20%. What about all of those people? Should they just die when they get sick? Oh wait, they're all lazy bums, right?

All of you in the U.S. who think your system is pretty good need to open your minds and take a look at life in a country more socialist than your own. The quality of life is generally much better. I've lived in the U.S. and after seeing the poverty and the crime, I'll never go back.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
A Canadian says something and you apply it across the board?

It's not just a typical canadian citizen, it's the the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association.
Surly that holds a little more weight.

Actually, it's the outgoing prez...and he personally has been controversial because he has a privatization agenda. Notice he is outgoing.

Everything the government controls eventually becomes bankrupt, corrupt and full of fraud and waste. Examples include medicare, medicaid, welfare and VA hospitals just to name a few. What on earth makes you believe nationized healthcare will be any different?

Not my problem...if it's broke, you fix it.

Cure cancer for $32 out of pocket?

Tell that to all the people who are not allowed to get cancer medicine in canada because they don't meet the 'requirements' which includes age.
Plus, where do you think all the cancer drugs and research is mainly being funded? Anwser: The current american system. Thanks!

Guess you'd better give me names of the folks that aren't allowed to get cancer medicines...medicines that American public health would cover.

And we do a little research up here, you know. Think stem cells...you can, you know, you're allowed now. You don't know squat about our system.

This thread is full of Americans telling us how badly off we are, and Canadians saying you don't have a clue. Here's a quarter, (Canadian)...buy one.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
What the hell do you know about Canada living in Texas and Indiana Huh?

That type of thinking cuts both ways.

Since you made that statement, you should not be saying anything negative towards the american system because after all, what the hell do you know living in canada.

Actually I am a dual citizen who has spent my whole life living between the US (Indiana) and Canada. I also worked for a bankruptcy attorney in the states and the #1 reason clients are in there trying to save their homes and such is health related costs.

The system in Canada is far superior. I have had kids in both countries. I have been to hospitals in both countries. So I know enough.

"Tell that to all the people who are not allowed to get cancer medicine in canada because they don't meet the 'requirements' which includes age."


Never heard of this before. My cousin, as a child, was treated and cured of his cancer, and my 75 year old grandmother was also offered chemotherapy treatment.

I don't know where you heard this nonsense, however it is simply untrue. More proof obviously that Americans are being lied to by individuals pushing an agenda.

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