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Canadian Healthcare System "Imploding"

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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I was at the scene, you were not. You are also no physician. Do not presume to "lecture" me further on subjects you obviously know nothing about.

Do not presume to call me a racist. That people that throw that word around often need to check the mirror first.

Last, if you cannot stay on topic, then kindly find a thread you know something about.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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ROTFLMAO: This is a pro-private health insurance piece. What a crock! And yet people jump all over it like its gold. No bias there I suppose.

Reminds me of that article that came out not long ago that said that organic food was no better for you than non-organic. LOL. Lots of people came to me w/ that only to look foolish afterwards.

And wait, let me guess. When they post an article telling you you'll probably get swine flu and die if you don't get the shot, you'll run right out and get one right.

heh heh.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by ruggedtoast

Originally posted by jdub297

Originally posted by crimvelvet

Didn't I read here somewhere that the British NHS is the third largest employer or the third largest "business" in the world.

True, that. NHS is the 3rd largest 'business' in the entire world!


What on earth are you talking about. Do you have any sources for this utter garbage you are talking?


NHS is world's biggest employer after Indian rail and Chinese Army

This is NOT what I have in mind when I hear healthcare reform.



[edit on 8/17/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by spitefulgod
Please point out your country on this list?

How many times does this list have to be debunked?


For starters, the WHO ranking system is bogus for many reasons and the entire organization is a leftist group. So don't put them on a pedastal because they are about equal in standing as the UN.

The main reasons the WHO ranks the U.S. 37th is because they add deaths from non natural causes into its calculations. Because of the size of the U.S., we rank number one in car accident fatalities worldwide which of course skews the results. This little fact has nothing to do with healthcare. Boy, the leftists like to skew results.

If you took rankings based on how well the health care was actually performed USA ranks at the very top in several categories.

Here is an article about this subject:
WHOm Are They Kidding?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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I have to agree that the death rates can be someone skewed when it comes to the US. An example is that in 2002, Canada had 816 firearm deaths and the US had 30,242. Even with the 10x multipler for population, that's quite a difference.

A big difference and a whole other topic.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread492631
Do not presume to call me a racist. That people that throw that word around often need to check the mirror first.


As you said previously..


Originally posted by centurion1211
I had something going on with my back on a Sunday that was painful enough to send my blood pressure up to 200, but had to sit and wait while about 20 people (appeared to be illegals because they spoke only spanish) with cuts and scrapes got seen first at the ER.


you say racist? moi?


I say ignorarant, selfish, isolationist and god help you if you ever get a REALLY bad back with the way your economy and medical insurance system is going...you'd better not consider coming to Britain as a healthcare tourist if it gets too expensive for you, or we'll ship you right back to where you came from...f'ing immigrants [/irony]


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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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As a Canadian, I can honestly say that I am not a "liberal/socialist shill." I am more than happy with the Canadian healthcare system, especially when I hear that so many Americans can't afford health care. I am on disability and all health care is free, with a few exceptions such as plastic surgery and other non-necessities.
When I was working for so many years, I paid a small premium each month to ensure that my health care was maintained. I see nothing wrong with that as obviously, such services can't be provided totally free to everyone.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by teeka1234
As a Canadian, I can honestly say that I am not a "liberal/socialist shill." I am more than happy with the Canadian healthcare system, especially when I hear that so many Americans can't afford health care.


I agree, and is it not annoying to have certain Americans jump on a headline-induced bandwagon and try to tell us what poor unfortunates we are?

I mean really...you'll have them dismissing our Canadian experience as 'anecdotal', while cherry-picking a sentence here and a sentence there which might seem to support their estimation of our miserable existence.

Kinda makes you wonder why? Further...why is such bunk is usually accompanied by an "ACTION AVATAR"?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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Let the UK/EU/Canada continue down the road of social healthcare as advanced civilised nations...the US medical system can go and rot...if their citizens try and use our nationalised health systems as medical-tourists that they havent paid into, ship 'em back to suffer insurance and medical care price gouging...not our problem



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by teeka1234
As a Canadian, I can honestly say that I am not a "liberal/socialist shill." I am more than happy with the Canadian healthcare system, especially when I hear that so many Americans can't afford health care.


I agree, and is it not annoying to have certain Americans jump on a headline-induced bandwagon and try to tell us what poor unfortunates we are?

I mean really...you'll have them dismissing our Canadian experience as 'anecdotal', while cherry-picking a sentence here and a sentence there which might seem to support their estimation of our miserable existence.

Kinda makes you wonder why? Further...why is such bunk is usually accompanied by an "ACTION AVATAR"?


As I've said many times, the fact you can die from not having enough money to afford healthcare in America is sickening. Not that I support Obamacare, that's a totally different subject.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by teeka1234
As a Canadian, I can honestly say that I am not a "liberal/socialist shill." I am more than happy with the Canadian healthcare system, especially when I hear that so many Americans can't afford health care.


I agree, and is it not annoying to have certain Americans jump on a headline-induced bandwagon and try to tell us what poor unfortunates we are?


And tonite on 'American Idol'....Nero performing on the fiddle whilst Rome burns



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Darko
As I've said many times, the fact you can die from not having enough money to afford healthcare in America is sickening. Not that I support Obamacare, that's a totally different subject.


When a friend lived in the States, her job was to arrange 2'nd mortgages and other securities for people going in to hospital. To us, that is a totally alien concept...nothing short of bizarre!!



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
As I've said many times, the fact you can die from not having enough money to afford healthcare in America is sickening. Not that I support Obamacare, that's a totally different subject.


When a friend lived in the States, her job was to arrange 2'nd mortgages and other securities for people going in to hospital. To us, that is a totally alien concept...nothing short of bizarre!!


Just curious ... what percent of Canadians actually envy our system? I'd imagine it's very small.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Donnie Darko

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by Donnie Darko
As I've said many times, the fact you can die from not having enough money to afford healthcare in America is sickening. Not that I support Obamacare, that's a totally different subject.


When a friend lived in the States, her job was to arrange 2'nd mortgages and other securities for people going in to hospital. To us, that is a totally alien concept...nothing short of bizarre!!


Just curious ... what percent of Canadians actually envy our system? I'd imagine it's very small.


I'm trying to find that out on this thread...needs a bump, I guess
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Or Brits whilst you're at it



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Silly Yankees


Double standard anyone? You all realize that there is more than one political group in Canada, right? Just because we're a left leaning socialist nation doesn't mean that everyone is in constant agreement.

By your, clearly right-wing logic, any individual left-wing personality that speaks their mind is correct and you are wrong.

As hard as it is to believe, there are neocons in Canada. Ontario has had a neo-conservative right wing povincial government for years; don't make me give specific policy examples, I will ad nausium.

This person is in the extreme minority. I have two "serious" medical conditions and I'd probably be a homeless bum for not our health care system. Those comments, to an educated Canadian, are foolish at best, give me a break.


Very well said Zombie!

I am a dual citizen of US and Canada I live in Canada because it is better. The health care is second to none and I do not have to file bankruptcy if I get into a car wreck or have a condition strike me down.

Among other things.... that make Canada better IMO



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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I'm thinking of immigrating to V-town - but only if Martial Law doesn't happen. i want to make sure things don't get really bad before I go out and live on my own, if they do, I want to be by my family and support them.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by teeka1234
As a Canadian, I can honestly say that I am not a "liberal/socialist shill." I am more than happy with the Canadian healthcare system, especially when I hear that so many Americans can't afford health care.


I agree, and is it not annoying to have certain Americans jump on a headline-induced bandwagon and try to tell us what poor unfortunates we are?

I mean really...you'll have them dismissing our Canadian experience as 'anecdotal', while cherry-picking a sentence here and a sentence there which might seem to support their estimation of our miserable existence.

Kinda makes you wonder why? Further...why is such bunk is usually accompanied by an "ACTION AVATAR"?


It's amazing how Americans know our health care system better than we do. Some of the dribble coming from their mouths is astonishing.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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This is the type of articles anti-socialists feed off of. Anything to keep Government small and out of things. I can say from personal experience that the Canadian Health Care system works. You would figure that of all the people that would be discussing health care, the typical ATSer would be anti-privatization and big corporation. Don't you see large corporations is what has gotten the typical Government into greedy messes and thats what TPTB feed off of? People are so ignorant, even on ATS. Canadian Health care works. Sure, paying 250 000 dollars of your own money when you need a procedure will work a lot quicker and more effective than the red tape that tax payers dollars require to work, but seriously, you guys will do anything not to pay more taxes.

Don't you realize that taxes spent wisely is quite possibly the most important thing people need to work together?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck
No system is perfect unless money is no object, and even then you'll encounter screw-ups. But I can't find a Canadian that would trade our system for yours.


I've beeen arguing against the Americans going to gov't run HC on other threads but your correct, I wouldn't trade ours for theirs. I just don't think ours is the end all be all of systems. I also don't think that the US gov would run a Canadian health system very well.


Here is what I think are the good and bad points of each system.

Canada Pro's
Cheap out of pocket expenses.
Low litigation levels.

America Pro's
Short waits
Low Taxes

Canada Con's
Long waits
shortage of doctors
High Taxes

America Pro's
Not everyone gets good care
Too many law suits drive up cost
High personal cost



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