Help me out about Creation....., page 2

reply to post by heineken

Well I'm sorry that this thread diverged, but I would like to stick to your original question if that's okay.

But first, I would like to say I think your question is a a little disingenuous. You could have simply asked why did God make animals eat other animals? Throwing in the I thought God was love part? It sounds more like you're just trying to bash God. Perhaps because you have an agenda.

Now, the reason I say this is because there is an answer to your question.
In fact the answer to your question occurs on the FIRST page of the Bible! Which is why I have my suspicions you see?

Now this is what Christians do when they attack evolution you know? They have no understanding and think they can debunk it. Experts have argued over this book for thousands of years and gotten nowhere on EITHER side.

You think you can convince people it isn't true without having even read the very first page?

Now, perhaps that's not the case. Perhaps your question was legitimate. So, I apologize first and will sincerely answer your question. But I hope you can understand, given the location of the answer to your question, why I would ask such a thing.

But first I want to say, don't flame me if you don't agree with the Bible answer because I'm not giving "my" personal answer first. I'm just stating what the book says and how it is "normally" interpreted.

Now the question. Why did God create animals to eat other animals? Answer. He didn't!

On the very FIRST page of the Bible it tells us God did create the world just like you wanted. The animals lived in peace and didn't kill each other. They didn't need to eat at all and never died, but if they did choose to eat they were vegetarians. Just like a real paradise. No need for food, but it's there if you want it in plant form.

When death entered the world they started eating each other basically because they had to.

Okay, from now on you can flame me because now I'll go into my view now of why this is.

If what the Bible says is true then when sin came into the world we were no longer in God's presence. Without his life sustaining presence basic physics set it. Entropy, which causes breakdown and decay, took over. Death entered the world. God wasn't here to continually pump more energy and life force into a world with a continually increasing population.

At this point animals and man started eating meat for the same reason they would eat meat if God doesn't exist, for energy.

Energy can't be created nor destroyed, only transformed. However, to transform 1 unit of energy it takes more than 1 unit of energy. So, no matter what you do, you will eventually run out one day.

So you must conserve what you have. You must be as efficient as possible with it. And you must compete for it! Eating animals that would die anyway is simply an option over letting their energy go to waste.

It's simply the rules of survival. Scarcity causes competition. Even if you don't want to compete you have to or you will die too soon because something else will take your share. Before producing offspring.

Also since everything is eating each other it also keeps the population down to the best competitors instead of overpopulating and exhausting the food supply and becoming diseased or extinct. If you think the world sucks now, wait until we cure death.

Now, one thing is if the Bible is real, the way it reads, it's also logical to conclude that many of those animals have died out by now because the Bible tells us something about the environment is now different after the flood. It doesn't really say what though. So, we don't even really know for sure what kind of animals they had back then except for a few if it's true.

Now, your second question. How animals pick what to be? Well, if evolution is true then they don't. They're just whatever they are due to genetics and random mutation.

If the Bible is real it's the same thing. You have no choice of what kind of animal you are. The Bible doesn't tell us how the animals all of a sudden become meat eaters.

However, the conclusion that most people come to is that there were always meat eaters and always vegetarians, but the meat eaters just simply didn't eat meat for some reason while in God's presence.

That basically humans always had the proper parts to eat meat, they just didn't until they were given permission by God. The Bible does say that humans were explicitly given permission. If that's true for the animals too or we're just left to assume they adapted I don't know.

But regardless if you believe in evolution or God or both the answer is the same. Animals never get to pick which they are. They just are.

So if you were trying to bash God or prove him wrong by claiming what you've claimed it didn't really work. According to the Bible meat eaters exist pretty much for the same reason evolution says so. If it makes God sound mean, perhaps, but then evolution is also just as cruel.

But from what we know about science we can state two things that are fact. One is that just because something is cruel and unfair doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And two, given the laws of science that we have what God did simply makes the most sense.

If everything was vegetarians we'd most likely run out of veggies because there would be no meat eaters to keep the vegi eating population down. Also, remember they didn't have our farming technology back then.

Now, humans possibly could all be vegi eaters only, but back then we may have starved to death long before we ever invented the farming tech to make that happen.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by tinfoilman]