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reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 06:05 AM by jinx880101
reply to post by heineken
A god of love?
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the chilren for the father's sins, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing faithfull love to a thousand generations who love Me and keep my commands.” (Exodus 20:4-5).
"When you buy a hebrew slave, he is to serve you for 6 years, then in the seventh he is to leave as a free man without paying anything.If he arrives alone he is to leave alone;If he arrives with a wife, his wife is to leave with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and the children belong to the master, and the man must leave alone." Exodus 21:2-4
"Whoever strikes a person so that he dies must be put to death" Ex 21:12
BUT
"When a man strikes a male or female slave,and the slave dies under abuse,the owner must be punished. However,if the slave can stand up after a day or two,the owner should not be punished for he is his owners property" Ex 21:20
Quite contradictory and unfair for a Loving God. The list goes on and on but I think I might take up too much space on the thread.
A god of love?
“You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the chilren for the father's sins, to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing faithfull love to a thousand generations who love Me and keep my commands.” (Exodus 20:4-5).
"When you buy a hebrew slave, he is to serve you for 6 years, then in the seventh he is to leave as a free man without paying anything.If he arrives alone he is to leave alone;If he arrives with a wife, his wife is to leave with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and the children belong to the master, and the man must leave alone." Exodus 21:2-4
"Whoever strikes a person so that he dies must be put to death" Ex 21:12
BUT
"When a man strikes a male or female slave,and the slave dies under abuse,the owner must be punished. However,if the slave can stand up after a day or two,the owner should not be punished for he is his owners property" Ex 21:20
Quite contradictory and unfair for a Loving God. The list goes on and on but I think I might take up too much space on the thread.
reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 06:56 AM by heineken
reply to post by WorldObserver
very nice post...i like mostly this part..
Just accept that you as a human are a very special creature in the animal world with the ability to protect all of the animals in the world. No other animal can do this.
Then I think..so if we take out some animals from the Food Chain they claim unbalanced disasters occur...exmaple if we take out the white shark from the seas there shall be more seals and Tunas which eat more fish etc etc......now that we literally removed the Humans from the animal food chain...what was the outcome?..because we are part of the food chain and many dont realize that..we have our computers, mobiles, girlfriend / boyfriend, fav music, fav art, beloved football team etc etc but still we are all walking meals lol
very nice post...i like mostly this part..
Just accept that you as a human are a very special creature in the animal world with the ability to protect all of the animals in the world. No other animal can do this.
Then I think..so if we take out some animals from the Food Chain they claim unbalanced disasters occur...exmaple if we take out the white shark from the seas there shall be more seals and Tunas which eat more fish etc etc......now that we literally removed the Humans from the animal food chain...what was the outcome?..because we are part of the food chain and many dont realize that..we have our computers, mobiles, girlfriend / boyfriend, fav music, fav art, beloved football team etc etc but still we are all walking meals lol
reply posted on 17-8-2009 @ 09:59 PM by WorldObserver
reply to post by heineken
If we remove humans from the planet many people think that the earth would not suffer. In fact, they believe that the earth and nature would benefit.
But a recent theory (“hyperdisease”) may force these people to think again.
If humans are gone, then domesticated animals like dogs will once again be susceptible to, and carry diseases like rabies, distemper and Canine parvovirus.
Without human intervention to vaccinate dogs, these diseases would eventually run rampant and most probably infect other species.
So with humans gone, I believe many species would die out. Thus, humans may be out of the immediate food chain, but we still play a very important part in maintaining balance.
If we remove humans from the planet many people think that the earth would not suffer. In fact, they believe that the earth and nature would benefit.
But a recent theory (“hyperdisease”) may force these people to think again.
If humans are gone, then domesticated animals like dogs will once again be susceptible to, and carry diseases like rabies, distemper and Canine parvovirus.
Without human intervention to vaccinate dogs, these diseases would eventually run rampant and most probably infect other species.
So with humans gone, I believe many species would die out. Thus, humans may be out of the immediate food chain, but we still play a very important part in maintaining balance.
reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 03:02 AM by jinx880101
reply to post by WorldObserver
I agree with you in part, although we do play a role in vacsinating our dogs, cats and other pets,and keeping them pest free...If our actions as a species where weighed, I would bet we cause more harm and imbalance than good to mother nature. After all, we where the ones to domesticate these animals in the first place, of course they would now be dependant on us.
I agree with you in part, although we do play a role in vacsinating our dogs, cats and other pets,and keeping them pest free...If our actions as a species where weighed, I would bet we cause more harm and imbalance than good to mother nature. After all, we where the ones to domesticate these animals in the first place, of course they would now be dependant on us.
reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 04:27 AM by heineken
reply to post by thedevineone
sorry but i think that DNA in involved much more than you pointed out ...i mean look at the changes...birds a coming from walking dinos...there are animals which never had wings and developed them...there are animal that instead of feet now have fins...everything is wrtitten in the DNA so i cant see how this can remain the same..so..which is the mechanism that can read and write the DNA?
sorry but i think that DNA in involved much more than you pointed out ...i mean look at the changes...birds a coming from walking dinos...there are animals which never had wings and developed them...there are animal that instead of feet now have fins...everything is wrtitten in the DNA so i cant see how this can remain the same..so..which is the mechanism that can read and write the DNA?
reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 04:28 AM by heineken
reply to post by WorldObserver
very interesting point my friend...didnt realize at first that infact we may be considered Nature's vet..which is cool XD
very interesting point my friend...didnt realize at first that infact we may be considered Nature's vet..which is cool XD
reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 04:36 AM by Agree2Disagree
Reply to post by heineken
The 'mechanism' in which you ask of is called 'circumstance'.
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The 'mechanism' in which you ask of is called 'circumstance'.
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reply posted on 18-8-2009 @ 04:48 AM by Razimus
reply to post by heineken
God isn't 'made of love', he's made of atoms like anyone else, he has a spirit and a physical body, that's the perfect state anyway, that's what Jesus had after the resurrection a perfected physical body and a perfected spiritual body in one, immortal, the resurrected perfected immortal body doesn't need what the mortal body needs, it can literally walk on the sun if it wants and would feel no pain, so when people talk about hell, it's mental, it's not physical, anyway God is love, because he has the most perfect love possible, he literally isn't made out of love, that's taking the
verse a little too literally, but one would say the same thing about the resurrection, I guess when it gets down to it, there are those that know the Bible's true meaning and those that don't no matter how much they study it, it all comes down to the Spirit, if you don't have this Spirit you literally will not be able to understand the key points of the bible and will wander aimlessly reading wondering what is literal and what is symbolic, what was made by man what was inspired by God, when you have the Spirit in you at the time that you read you can know what a verse actually means not by some ancient translation but the true spiritual meaning, many claim to have this but I would say few actually have it, resulting in the countless mis-interpretations of the bible. Where is God, it doesn't matter, he can be anywhere he wants, but he is physical, the reason he can be everywhere is because part of his team the Spirit, the Holy Spirit can be everywhere at once because time has literally zero meaning for him, so he can be at every point in the unverse at every timeframe because he is out of time, like him he knows all and relates the info to God the Father. There's God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, don't let the word ghost throw you, it's no different than spirit, anyway, they need to be 3 to be an all knowing all powerful, all loving God, without one of them they cannot be this.
[edit on 18-8-2009 by Razimus]
God isn't 'made of love', he's made of atoms like anyone else, he has a spirit and a physical body, that's the perfect state anyway, that's what Jesus had after the resurrection a perfected physical body and a perfected spiritual body in one, immortal, the resurrected perfected immortal body doesn't need what the mortal body needs, it can literally walk on the sun if it wants and would feel no pain, so when people talk about hell, it's mental, it's not physical, anyway God is love, because he has the most perfect love possible, he literally isn't made out of love, that's taking the
verse a little too literally, but one would say the same thing about the resurrection, I guess when it gets down to it, there are those that know the Bible's true meaning and those that don't no matter how much they study it, it all comes down to the Spirit, if you don't have this Spirit you literally will not be able to understand the key points of the bible and will wander aimlessly reading wondering what is literal and what is symbolic, what was made by man what was inspired by God, when you have the Spirit in you at the time that you read you can know what a verse actually means not by some ancient translation but the true spiritual meaning, many claim to have this but I would say few actually have it, resulting in the countless mis-interpretations of the bible. Where is God, it doesn't matter, he can be anywhere he wants, but he is physical, the reason he can be everywhere is because part of his team the Spirit, the Holy Spirit can be everywhere at once because time has literally zero meaning for him, so he can be at every point in the unverse at every timeframe because he is out of time, like him he knows all and relates the info to God the Father. There's God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, don't let the word ghost throw you, it's no different than spirit, anyway, they need to be 3 to be an all knowing all powerful, all loving God, without one of them they cannot be this.
[edit on 18-8-2009 by Razimus]
reply posted on 30-8-2009 @ 10:28 PM by Raumcole
Originally posted by Razimus
reply to post by heineken
God isn't 'made of love', he's made of atoms like anyone else, he has a spirit and a physical body, that's the perfect state anyway, that's what Jesus had after the resurrection a perfected physical body and a perfected spiritual body in one, immortal, the resurrected perfected immortal body doesn't need what the mortal body needs, it can literally walk on the sun if it wants and would feel no pain, so when people talk about hell, it's mental, it's not physical, anyway God is love, because he has the most perfect love possible, he literally isn't made out of love, that's taking the
verse a little too literally, but one would say the same thing about the resurrection, I guess when it gets down to it, there are those that know the Bible's true meaning and those that don't no matter how much they study it, it all comes down to the Spirit, if you don't have this Spirit you literally will not be able to understand the key points of the bible and will wander aimlessly reading wondering what is literal and what is symbolic, what was made by man what was inspired by God, when you have the Spirit in you at the time that you read you can know what a verse actually means not by some ancient translation but the true spiritual meaning, many claim to have this but I would say few actually have it, resulting in the countless mis-interpretations of the bible. Where is God, it doesn't matter, he can be anywhere he wants, but he is physical, the reason he can be everywhere is because part of his team the Spirit, the Holy Spirit can be everywhere at once because time has literally zero meaning for him, so he can be at every point in the unverse at every timeframe because he is out of time, like him he knows all and relates the info to God the Father. There's God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Ghost, don't let the word ghost throw you, it's no different than spirit, anyway, they need to be 3 to be an all knowing all powerful, all loving God, without one of them they cannot be this.
[edit on 18-8-2009 by Razimus]
I really don't know what part of the brain your missing and it seems the answer is all of it the more I read your post. Even if God existed, you wouldn't be able to say things so specific as to what "he" is. I am assuming your being serious but the amount of stupidity in your statement makes me think you could be really go at telling jokes. I don't know where to start.
First, where are any scientific facts about god? I can answer that one for you, there arn't. Your taking an extra step and making up scientific fact about something not only not real but something that you would not understand if he was real. I guess I should just go down the list. Your saying your god is made of atoms and also have a physical and spiritual body. Thats a person. You saying those few words are saying you think god is a person. If the perfect state has atoms and a physical/spiritual body then I guess humans are perfect. Then you retract that and say Jesus had a perfected perfect body. You say the "perfected resurrected body doesn't need anything" so what about the atoms you say he is made of? If he has a physical body with atoms then the sun would defiantly affect him. The spirit is physical and goes to hell, which you say is only mental? Then you say that you need to have a specific "spirit" to understand what symbolism is? That is ridiculous. I can tell your egotistical because you think your one of the only people who know the "true meaning" of the Bible, which is terrible. For #s sake do you not see the many contradictions in your explanation? Why does god need to be three different entities if he is already an omnipotent being? If god is such an all powerful thing that why the hell can't he be perfect without being three things as you say. Simply hilarious.
reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 09:53 PM by Conclusion
reply to post by heineken
Well good question. That is how he initially created it. Remember the tree of good and evil? He told us not to eat of it, but we did. It that statement it tells me that mankind is to be held responsible for all the bad that has come about.
Well good question. That is how he initially created it. Remember the tree of good and evil? He told us not to eat of it, but we did. It that statement it tells me that mankind is to be held responsible for all the bad that has come about.
reply posted on 31-8-2009 @ 10:06 PM by heyo
reply to post by heineken
violence is harsh, eh?
lol.
I think that people are putting themselves in other "being's" shoes. However, I think that people are afraid of dying so much, and afraid of being hurt in any way whatsoever so much, that it draws them into the line of thinking that there is gain to be had without sacrifice.
Sacrifice for the good of the whole, that is, the system that sustains life, is important.
Op you claim to love, then right after claim the very system that keeps the only known life in the universe continuous to be that of hatred or of evil or something negative like that?
How can we possibly think we know a fraction of the things in our universe that are required to make even an educated guess at the mind of the creator?
It's so...presumptuous.
violence is harsh, eh?
lol.
I think that people are putting themselves in other "being's" shoes. However, I think that people are afraid of dying so much, and afraid of being hurt in any way whatsoever so much, that it draws them into the line of thinking that there is gain to be had without sacrifice.
Sacrifice for the good of the whole, that is, the system that sustains life, is important.
Op you claim to love, then right after claim the very system that keeps the only known life in the universe continuous to be that of hatred or of evil or something negative like that?
How can we possibly think we know a fraction of the things in our universe that are required to make even an educated guess at the mind of the creator?
It's so...presumptuous.
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