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Allies ignored extermination of the Jews, claims Vatican

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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Allies ignored extermination of the Jews, claims Vatican


"www.dailymail.co.uk


The Vatican has accused Britain and the U.S. of complicity in the Nazi extermination of Jews.
It claims the Allies deliberately did nothing to either rescue Jews or destroy the death camps.

But instead of bombing the concentration camps and the railways supplying them, they reacted by first suppressing eye-witness reports and then claiming they were exaggerated.
(visit the link for the full news article)

And the rest of the story? Read On...


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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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Britain opposed offering sanctuary to Jewish refugees, said the article, which will be seen as having the support of the highest Vatican figures.

L'Osservatore Romano draws on the diaries of former U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, who said his country's officials 'dodged their grim responsibility, procrastinated when concrete rescue schemes were placed before them, and even suppressed information about atrocities'.

Mr Morgenthau claimed that when the U.S. began to rescue Jews the project met resistance from British officials.
The Foreign Office warned of 'the difficulties of disposing of any considerable number of Jews should they be rescued'.

Mr Morgenthau called this 'a satanic combination of British chill and diplomatic doubletalk, cold and correct and adding up to a sentence of death'.
The article will be seen as part of the Vatican's drive to restore the reputation of the wartime Pope, Pius XII.


So, the Vatican is trying to re-write history now?
It wouldn't be the first time I'm sure.


In recent years, the media have accused the Catholic Church of either helping the Nazis or being silent during the Holocaust. As an example, the January 26, 1998 issue of Time magazine on page 20 claims that the Catholic Church apologized for "collaborating with the Nazis during World War II." Even the new Holocaust Museum in New York unjustly criticized Pope Pius XII for being silent during World War II.


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- OR - Did MSM conveniently leave out other FACTS in order to vilify the church and Pope XII?


The Pope who led the Catholic Church during Hitler’s reign over most of Europe was either a disgrace or one of the great heroes of modern times. The evidence proves the latter.

Soon after World War II, Pope Pius XII, Eugenio Pacelli, was lauded as a man who not only was able to keep the church intact despite the Nazis but also had even protected Jews during the Holocaust.

Gilbert is an ardent Zionist and author of the book “Holocaust,” yet he praises the late Pope and stresses that, after World War II, Jewish organizations around the world recognized Pius XII for saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Jews and other Nazi targets.

Then in 1963, the controversial play "The Deputy" opened in Berlin. The work — by a German playwright, no less — laid the blame of the Holocaust on the Pope. The playwright, Rolf Hochhuth, claimed that the Pope’s alleged indifference to the suffering of Jews during the Holocaust allowed it to happen. The pontiff was cold-hearted, uncaring, and evil, Hochhuth suggested.

But these allegations are simply nonsense. Gilbert said the Pope "went to the edge of risk again and again" to help the Jews.

Following the Pope's Christmas 1941 address, The New York Times stated in an editorial: "The voice of Pius XII is a lonely voice in the silence and darkness enveloping Europe this Christmas. He is about the only ruler left on the continent of Europe who dares to raise his voice at all."

Privately, he took great risks. For example, churches were ordered to hand out baptismal certificates and passports to thousands of refugees — Jews, Gypsies, and others — sparing them from the concentration camps.
Pius XII even spent much of his private inheritance to pay for the refugees' travel.
When the Nazis began the deportation of Rome's Jews, he ordered convents, monasteries, and other Catholic facilities to hide Jews, and even turned the papal bedroom into a birthing area for Jewish mothers.


“General Clark has told me to inform you the city of Rome has been liberated. He asks if the Holy See has any pressing needs.”
Without batting an eye, the monsignor replied: “We in the Vatican are fine. But we are hiding 50,000 Jews in and around the city of Rome. They are in urgent need of food and medical care. The Holy Father asks for your assistance with these people.”

As a result of the Pope’s actions, Rome saved a higher percentage of its Jews than any other occupied city.


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Two sides to each coin.

It seems those wishing to villify the church have forgotten to add ALL the stones of facts into the cups of the balance.

peace

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:37 AM
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So the Vatican is is questioning the official story on the holocaust!!! Isn't that a crime throughout most of europe?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:39 AM
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Excuse me for my ignorance of this topic however I remember some ware did not the Vatican have a part to play in the Nazi party? I could have sworn.....




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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You can't blame all for the actions of the few.

A thing both Europe and the Vatican have to learn.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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This doesnt surprise me a bit.

Anti-Semitism had been around in the whole of Europe for hundreds of years prior to World War One and Two. Many scholars trace European anti-Semitism back to the time of Martin Luther and even farther back into history. All of Europe had a hand in it. While Germany was persecuting the Jew not many countries took Jews in on mass.

Everybody to a certain extent had a hand in it in one way shape or form.
I wouldn't consider it rewriting of history, but rather of a further enlightenment or expansion of what really had transpired.

Pre-WW2 Churchill article says Jews partly to blame for anti-Semitism

A historian has uncovered a pre-World War Two article Winston Churchill wrote about the persecution of Jews but then decided not to publish. In the long lost article, the British wartime leader disapproved of the treatment they experienced but did say of the Jews: "They have been partly responsible for the antagonism from which they suffer."

Cambridge University lecturer Richard Toye, reflecting on his find, said: "While most people would accept that Churchill was no anti-Semite, this sheds fascinating new light on his views about Jews which were very inconsistent."


Antisemitism in Europe (Middle Ages)

In the Middle Ages, religion played a major role in driving antisemitism. Though not part of Roman Catholic dogma, many Christians, including members of the clergy, have held the Jewish people collectively responsible for killing Jesus, a belief originated by Melito of Sardis.

As stated in the Boston College Guide to Passion Plays, "Over the course of time, Christians began to accept... that the Jewish people as a whole were responsible for killing Jesus. According to this interpretation, both the Jews present at Jesus’ death and the Jewish people collectively and for all time, have committed the sin of deicide, or God-killing. For 1900 years of Christian-Jewish history, the charge of deicide has led to hatred, violence against and murder of Jews in Europe and America."[1]

This accusation was repudiated in 1964, when the Catholic Church under Pope Paul VI issued the document Nostra Aetate as a part of Vatican II.


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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:49 AM
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Wow.

This is why I abhor organized religion.

The allies actually didn't know about the camps until they discovered them during the fight through Germany. I doubt they were complicit and "knew" about the camps. Why do people get away with making rubbish like this up?

Oh..... I forgot..... we're all inherently "anti-semetic" now.


Here are some fun links to blatantly disprove this line of crap:

ww2db.com...

history.sandiego.edu...

ohrdruf.simmins.org...

Wasn't old Popey - Wopey part of that fun little boys club called the "Hitler Youth"?

www.telegraph.co.uk...

en.wikipedia.org...

www.chicagotribune.com...

Just wondering. Seems like now that the war is long gone past it's time to start sending thorns the way of the powers that crushed his beloved Fuhrer....

I'm a student of WWII.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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Gorman91:
You can't blame all for the actions of the few.


Imagine walking through the park with some friends. Suddenly two people walk up, grab you by the arms and throw you to the ground. One tears off your dress while the other stomps on your face. They take turns raping you and cutting your face with rusty barbed wire.

Your friends and the dozen other people in the park watch.



Gorman91:
You can't blame all for the actions of the few.


We can all decide for ourselves whether assigning blame is, or is not proper. But perhaps we can at least try to understand when others decide differently than we do.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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Why do people assume the allies had an obligation to put an end to the death camps?

England nor the U.S. had a requirement to stop the slaughter.

We still dont, yet the Israeli lobby would have you think otherwise.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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I'm not incredibly sure. The church certainly did diddly squat in stopping the Nazis, instead priests had to act independently to cry outrage at it. However, these were the super powers at the time, with who knows how many spy's. How did they not know?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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I was going to say I remember not too long ago seeing the catholic anti-christ... I mean the pope dressed all out in his nazi.... I mean Sunday's finest when he was a youth.

While people go on and on about what secrets are government is hiding, I want to know what secrets the vatican has locked away in it's archives & vaults of stolen history. The history they hide away much like our own government because they are afraid it will cause social unrest amongst the good people of the earth. Cause after all those who know, know the truth shall not only set you free but the truth hurts.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:09 AM
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Autowrench:
With all of the recent evidence and people talking about it, I am beginning to wonder if the famous Holocaust really happened!



The REAL "holocaust" of WWII - the post-war genocide of three million Germans

The REAL deliberate genocide committed circa WWII -- aside from the 50+ million "gentiles" killed in a war fomented by the ruling international Jewish elite -- was the mass slaughter and starvation of 3+ million ethnic Germans, including approximately 2 million German civilians, after the war by the Judeo-Zionist U.S. and Soviet governments.

The Talmudically-inspired Luciferian Jewish ruling elites harbor the most intense and murderous hatred for the Nordic white race, including the German people. The post-war situation presented an ideal opportunity for the Jewish Power Structure to put to action their most heinous yearnings -- subjugating, humiliating, raping, torturing, and butchering millions.

Jewish US Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau and Jewish US General and "Supreme Allied Commander of Europe" Dwight Eisenhower openly expressed their fierce hatred of the German people, even going so far as to say the German people should be exterminated as a race -- and put those ideas into action by devising plans to sterilize and starve the people of Germany.

Under the Morgenthau Plan enacted by Jewish General Dwight Eisenhower, hundreds of thousands of Germans, including women and common citizens, were rounded up by the U.S. military and placed in open fields without access to food, water, and shelter -- and left to die. In addition to those murdered, millions of ethnic Germans were displaced from their ancestral lands in Prussia and Sudetenland (western region of modern-day Czechoslovakia), and thousands of German women raped and abused (especially in the Soviet occupied areas).

The HoloHoax fairy tale about a "holocaust of 6 million Jews" is a COVER for these real atrocities and genocide. Many of the pictures used to promote the HoloHoax (eg, piles of emaciated corpses, civilians being executed, etc) are actually pictures of atrocities against ethnic Germans.

endwhiteguilt.blogspot.com...

OFFICIAL RECORDS FROM INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS PROVE "HOLOCAUST" WAS A FRAUD
just-another-inside-job.blogspot.com...

The Rudolf Report
Expert Report on Chemical and Technical Aspects
of the ‘Gas Chambers’ of Auschwitz
germarrudolf.com...



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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Great links.

I'll check em out. I do however find it rather odd though that with all the intense aerial surveillance & photographing going on during that period that nobody had spotted them.


Also I noticed this article focused on the UK and US. Not really mentioning all the rest of Europe.


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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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Don't forget that WWII had to take place for the state of Israel to be created.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:21 AM
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I don't think so. No one hides history other than the ignorant, and the last few popes have been very modern and Reformations.

Why hide history? I find continuing to believe something when all evidence is against it as a much greater faith statement then believing something that has all truth with it.

And no, revealing such would not make all Catholics say nie and abandon their faith. I am Catholic. And even if you send me back in time and proved Jesus doesn't exist, I'd still believe. And I trust most of my Catholic cohorts would too.

I simply do not believe that the whole world would abandon Faith X if all evidence went against it.

Muslims worship a rock, Jews worship ruins, Buddhists worship a fat wise man, Christians worship a skinny wise man, and Catholics worship..., well, that's the joke, isn't it? We worship Jesus, but we really don't do anything but eat bread and bow.

For all people, I do not believe any kind of "ancient hidden proof" could stop faith.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:26 AM
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While I don't hold it against the Pope for what he did or who he was affiliated with as a youth. I have to ask.

Does he really want to open this can of worms?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:30 AM
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You and I are in agreement, my friend. But then again, I was referring to the allied powers that invaded fortress Europa and drove the Nazis into the ground, not the church.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Again.

The title says, "Allies ignored the extermination of the Jews, claims Vatican."

My focus is on disproving that the Russians, the Canadians, the UK, the US, and the other allied states which took back the European continent were somehow ignoring the fact the extermination was going on. I've read books about the fact that other Europeans did know it was going on and did nothing about it. Hell, the German citizens in the towns near the camps knew about it and did nothing about it. They didn't even tell the allies until they found the camps and after they did - the allies made them pay for their evils. Community leaders were forced to take their towns down there and see what had happened to the Jews in those camps and the like.

I'll not, however, sit here and believe that we knew what was going on and just said, "Oh well."



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Why does anyone care what the Vatican says? I never understood that. I just don't see why the old fart is any more special than the next guy. He could say the world will end in the next two days and I could care less, besides that's about the quality of the other junk spewing from his mouth.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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It seems I replied to the wrong person and am sorry indeed. Corrections will be made.

EDIT, sorry, I did mean what I said. I was thinking something else. Nonetheless, I was talking about a minor point you made.

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That is guilty by association.

Now take it from what I was talking about with your situation. After that happens, 3 of the people watching run after the aggressors. One has a gun and shoots both, allowing them to be arrested.

The same is what I'm talking about with the church, whereas some priests didn't watch but rather did something, and so blaming the laziness of the pope onto the active priests is wrong.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.




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