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ATLANTA -- Several thousand people turned out in Centennial Park on Saturday to demonstrate opposition to President Barack Obama's effort to overhaul the health-care system. Protesters carried signs saying, "Obamacare Makes Me Sick!" or "Socialized Medicine Hotline: 1-800-YOU-DEAD."
Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas) is resigning from DLA Piper law firm amid a wave of negative attention his grassroots organization, Freedom Works, has drawn for helping to organize protesters at health care town hall meetings with members of Congress.
Armey’s FreedomWorks is actively organizing against health care reform. Indeed, Armey’s lobbying firm represents pharmaceutical companies, such as Bristol-Myers Squibb, that oppose comparative effectiveness research in the health reform plan because such a program may cut into revenue for branded drugs.
Armey’s lobbying firm represents the trade group for the life insurance industry. Indeed, FreedomWorks mobilizes its members for deregulated life insurance reform.
FreedomWorks trains and organizes volunteers to engage fellow citizens and influence their political representatives.
Originally posted by aleon1018
Many elderly lose all their life savings just to stay alive another 3 months or more?
Astroturfing is a word in English describing formal political, advertising, or public relations campaigns seeking to create the impression of being spontaneous "grassroots" behavior, hence the reference to the artificial grass, AstroTurf.
The goal of such a campaign is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. Astroturfers attempt to orchestrate the actions of apparently diverse and geographically distributed individuals, by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means.
Originally posted by questioningall
Interesting, I wonder if this type of scene accounts for all the military riot type vehicles I saw a convoy on 18 wheelers, right outside Atlanta and headed that way?
Are they expect more protest/demonstrations?
Dang, I missed the fun - too bad it didn't happen last week.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by jayjayrocks
Of course it isn't. And neither is a whole lot.
Most of the so-called socialist health care nations are really actually bureaucratic socialism, which is really another word for light fascism. Socialist medicare to me would eliminate both insurance company and bureaucracy. Right now 380 billion is wasted in Medicare Medicaid and the whole lot of bureaucratic bull crap that is the current system. Eliminating that means 380 billion for the new system.
Let's do some math now shall we? 380 billion / 304 million means $1250 available on the spot for everyone at any one time. Now lets go into it more, because that obviously doesn't do much. This system should not be implemented until the right conditions. For now, it should only be for those government services. Eliminating the bureaucracy and doing direct pay means 380 billion a year for 96 million people. That would mean for the current time being everyone of those folks would have $3958 at any one time. Bit better, I'd say. But now lets invest some more. Let's become energy independent and only use our own oil, and North American oil, for plastics and what not. That's another 300 billion available. So now we have $3125 more for those folks, and we still haven't raised taxes. Let's also stop giving 500 billion to Europe (thanks Ben Bernake). Another $5208 for everyone. So now we are up to $12291 for people on those services at any one time. I'm more than confident that everyone doesn't need that kind of money at any one time, and I'm more than confident that countless other savings would add up to it.
As we get more profitable, and as our population grows, and the middle class grows, we would more than have enough money to cover the uninsured, and eventually cover everyone.
It would work, so long you keep the basics of socialism, but eliminating bureaucracy and insurance company. This promotes capitalism too, as hospitals and doctors get payed more for the number of people they save a year. So these folks will seek ways to save more lives, innovate, and better themselves. Socialism works with capitalism and obeys the founding father's traditions. Please understand that the founders made the constitution elastic so that as the nation grew and became productive, it could expand it's power and privileges to the people. It is not government run health care. It is government funded health care, run by free market capitalism and the hospitals and doctors themselves. Straight forward and no backup or waste. Perfectly obeying the constitution of limited government and the government being out of the face of the people. The truth is that socialism is not always good, but where it is good is where it greatly aids capitalism and the free market.
reply to post by kinda kurious
[edit on 17-8-2009 by Gorman91]
[edit on 17-8-2009 by Gorman91]
Originally posted by Gorman91
Originally posted by Credge
I ask this in both a funny and inquisitive way, but what else would they spend it on? Most certainly not on living expenses.
Critics of President Obama’s health-care overhaul are zeroing in on his senior adviser David Axelrod, whose former partners at a Chicago-based firm are the beneficiaries of huge ad buys — now at $24 million and counting — by White House allies in the reform fight.
The unwelcome scrutiny, largely from Republicans, comes at an inopportune time as Obama seeks to shore up support for health care reform. It revolves around two separate $12 million ad campaigns advocating Obama’s health care plan that were produced and placed partly by AKPD Message and Media, a firm founded by Axelrod that employs his son and still owes Axelrod $2 million.