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White House appears ready to drop 'public option'

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posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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I can actually agree with that. We can start with homeland security. A little less other defense funding.

And lets abolish most of the IRS altogether.


I know. In my dreams.




posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 09:35 PM
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Elect me for President and I WILL abolish most of the IRS. At least the parts that are unconsitutional. Of course, chances are 100% I would be assassinated unless surrounded by other Constitutionalists in office.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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(this is my post to another thread on the same subject)

Just found this article:

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Gibbs: White House still supports public option

Speaking to CBS News’ Face the Nation on Sunday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs emphasized that President Barack Obama still supports having a “public option” for health care, which the White House believes will introduce additional competition and lower prices in the insurance market.

The statement runs contrary to claims by other officials and reports circulating other media on Sunday.

Heath and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, speaking to CNN’s John King on Sunday, said the public option is not “essential” and that consumer choice, market competition and reform of private health insurance regulations should be the focus of the debate.

Later Sunday, Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) told Fox News anchor Chris Wallace that the U.S. Senate will not allow a public option, adding his belief that, “to continue to chase that rabbit is just a wasted effort.”

The comments led the Associated Press and right-wing news aggregator Matt Drudge to report the White House has given up on supporting a public option.



So, I don't really know what to believe and that's most likely their intent.

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In addition to this, I would like to add that I believe they are just doing some pandering. Two people from the same administration saying completely opposite things generally equates to pandering, at best, and at worst, disinformation.


TA

[edit on 16-8-2009 by TheAssociate]



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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Used Care Salesmen

Wait just a minute here. Am I to understand that instead of ramming a monstrous pile of legislation through a rubber-stamp congress, there's actually talk of representatives reading, discussing and consulting their constituents before voting on it?

What's this country coming to?


But they'd better hurry up. I'm pretty sure President Obama warned us that a couple was driving in from Kansas City to buy this very same healthcare bill, so there's not much time to act.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by Nivcharah
reply to post by nixie_nox
 


Elect me for President and I WILL abolish most of the IRS. At least the parts that are unconsitutional. Of course, chances are 100% I would be assassinated unless surrounded by other Constitutionalists in office.


Abolish is such a strong word... not to mention I would hate to put allot of people out of work... I think a hiring freeze and re-utilizing the IRS against fraud, waste, and abuse, would be a better use for the auditors. Turn them loose on Medicare fraud, better yet, turn them loose on wasteful government spending... like school districts spending 70,000 bucks on Italian granite floors for the superintendent's office.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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God, if there was this much outcry over the Iraq war, you'd already be out of there and billions of money was wasted on that on false pretences, assuming you'd find weapons that didn't exist.

costofwar.com...

Just saying...



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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Oh they didn't want any real health reform anyway. The insurance companies own them all.

Why else would they make sure that the bill was 1k pages when they know very well that EVERYONE was upset specifically about the economic stimulus being about that long? Why would Kennedy's name be on the bill? Cause he's been involved with healthcare? Or because he probably won't be running for another term - he's not been at work enough to write a bill anyway. He's convenient and it looks good.

Then they KNOWINGLY put stuff in there about abortion and child care parenting - knowing both were hot button issues not just for the republicans but for EVERYONE. There are lots of democrats that are anti-choice and hate the crap mess that CPS has become.

Everyone gets mad, they get major resistance, bill doesn't pass, they can blame the republicans. Nothing but everything the corrupt democrats (not all of them, the entrenched ones) want.

Obama? I think he did want health care reform. But he has no cajones.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 11:36 PM
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Originally posted by MacDonagh
God, if there was this much outcry over the Iraq war, you'd already be out of there...


There wasn't at the start because of the general unification that 9/11 brought, but there was after.

The difference here is that we don't have a major unifying event, which is why many people are being cautious of swine flu and nuclear weapon stuffs.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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What everyone does not see is that Congress will try to pass a stripped down version of the government healthcare bill and if it passes they will keep adding things to it over and over until they get what they want. ^Y^



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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That's assuming there's still a congress after they do that. After all, after a time, congress becomes irrelevant and the government bureaucracy rules with a single figure.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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ObamaCare Single Payer "Public Option" has been dropped.
End of Life "Death Panel" has been dropped.
Maybe the Liberals will drop the whole thing altogether.
EVERYBODY has their eagle eye on this.
Calling opponents "un-american" just threw gasoline on the fire.
Check the Rasmussen Reports polling data.
This is a nightmare scenario for ObamaCare. I think it's over.
Too many people are watching this.
White House has awakened a sleeping giant.
When ObamaCare dies, the giant will say kill that Cap and Con
garbage also!
All we need is few more well placed Facebook posts from Sarah Palin.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
ObamaCare Single Payer "Public Option" has been dropped.

All we need is few more well placed Facebook posts from Sarah Palin.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]



Not so quick! Obama was stating that the health care reform is NOT dropped (aka: Public Option; aka: Mandated Govt Plan).

We'll all need to keep our eyes and ears open. I say they just do away with a new HR public option and revamp Medicare and Medicaid. Those who want it can pay a premium and see those doctors. Those who don't can find their own way to health care.

For the record: I do not have health insurance and have not had insurance since 2006. Before that I had no insurance from 2002 - 2004. Why do I NOT have astronomical medical bills? Because I focus more on preventative care be eating right and taking supplements (vitamins). I exercise precautions and am proactive when exposed to those who are ill. I stay home when I DO get ill. What did people do when there were there were no health insurance companies? They found ways to get better! Using homeopathic remedies.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Obama Advisor: There Very Well May Be a Death Panel


In Wednesday's WSJ, Feldstein writes:

The White House Council of Economic Advisers issued a report in June explaining the Obama administration's goal of reducing projected health spending by 30% over the next two decades. That reduction would be achieved by eliminating "high cost, low-value treatments," by "implementing a set of performance measures that all providers would adopt," and by "directly targeting individual providers . . . (and other) high-end outliers."

The president has emphasized the importance of limiting services to "health care that works." To identify such care, he provided more than $1 billion in the fiscal stimulus package to jump-start Comparative Effectiveness Research (CER) and to finance a federal CER advisory council to implement that idea. That could morph over time into a cost-control mechanism of the sort proposed by former Sen. Tom Daschle, Mr. Obama's original choice for White House health czar. Comparative effectiveness could become the vehicle for deciding whether each method of treatment provides enough of an improvement in health care to justify its cost.


Feldstein, again:


Although administration officials are eager to deny it, rationing health care is central to President Barack Obama's health plan. The Obama strategy is to reduce health costs by rationing the services that we and future generations of patients will receive.


Comparative Effectiveness Research (CER)

Democrats see little chance for GOP cooperation on health care

www.mercurynews.com...

Debate's Path Caught Obama by Surprise
www.washingtonpost.com...



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Obama Advisor: They're Very Well May Be a Death Panel

Debate's Path Caught Obama by Surprise
www.washingtonpost.com...


"President Obama's advisers acknowledged Tuesday that they were unprepared for the intraparty rift that occurred over the fate of a proposed public health insurance program, a firestorm that has left the White House searching for a way to reclaim the initiative on the president's top legislative priority."

Shouldn't our TOP legislative priority be ending the war, bringing our soldiers, et al home and stop spending so much money so that we can re-allocate the funds spent on war on the health care program then?

I mean, they still haven't told us how it's going to be funded and how much it's going to cost. Those are two extremely important details as to whether I would purchase something so large.

You don't buy a home or a car without asking what the bottom line is and your interest rate so you know how much it's going to cost you each month. You know . . . so you can BUDGET. Oh wait, we're talking about the White House. They don't balance their budget. They just print more paper when the account is dry.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 02:20 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by amari
 


ObamaCare Single Payer "Public Option" has been dropped.
End of Life "Death Panel" has been dropped.
Maybe the Liberals will drop the whole thing altogether.
EVERYBODY has their eagle eye on this.
Calling opponents "un-american" just threw gasoline on the fire.
Check the Rasmussen Reports polling data.
This is a nightmare scenario for ObamaCare. I think it's over.
Too many people are watching this.
White House has awakened a sleeping giant.
When ObamaCare dies, the giant will say kill that Cap and Con
garbage also!
All we need is few more well placed Facebook posts from Sarah Palin.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]

[edit on 17-8-2009 by Eurisko2012]


Death panel !!!

What is cute about that is the notion was created by a PR firm hired by the Industry
which it seems Palin is right lock step with the corporations.


Obama has awakened the palsy elephant alright...

Spend a trillion on Bombs and the like, but fook spending it on those who pay the bill.



Can we stop using the word socialism every three sentences?

Palin 2212!!!!!



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by amari
What everyone does not see is that Congress will try to pass a stripped down version of the government healthcare bill and if it passes they will keep adding things to it over and over until they get what they want. ^Y^


Exactly. Since the "Public Option" is giving the administration trouble, I think they are going to pass House and Senate bills without it and then insert it back in the "conference" bill. I just don't see the Obama Administration dumping one of the hallmarks of his campaign. The left is usually unconcerned about public opinion, since they feel the "real" people are always with them, and the center and Right rarely make a fuss over anything except on talk radio. Now that people have finally sounded off, the Pelosi left is going to have to revamp their playbook. The left rarely faces such public displays of disapproval and they will have an extremely hard time convincing the intelligent that their disparate groups of special-interest voters is a majority of Americans. Hopefully someone is following the Union thugs around with a video camera so that the first time they intimidate someone outside a town hall meeting, it will be shown 24/7 on Fox News.
If health care reform DNC-style crashes and burns, and the 2010 elections prove dismal for the majority party, we could be looking at a second Carter Administration, hopefully without a hostage crisis.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:07 AM
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'PUBLIC' HUMILIATION
PREZ IN DOUBLE-FLIP ON HEALTH OPTION

www.nypost.com...


WASHINGTON -- The White House fell into full retreat yesterday from its earlier surrender of Democratic plans for a massive new government-run insurance agency as part of its health-care reform bid.

Obama's Blame Game

Bill/ary Get Separate Obama Chats After Her Hissy Fit

The Obama administration now says it remains fully behind the idea of a "public option" for government-run insurance, despite clear signals over the weekend from top officials that the public option is not a deal-breaker and is just a "sliver" of the overall reforms it seeks.


The part that made me laugh

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs blamed the media for misunderstanding the administration's support.

Gibbs is such a clown.



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Shouldn't our TOP legislative priority be ending the war, bringing our soldiers, et al home and stop spending so much money so that we can re-allocate the funds spent on war on the health care program then?


They don't make anything easy do they?



posted on Aug, 19 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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Well, apparently you are right.
The bad news for them is that the Republicans are too smart for them.
The phrase "Trojan Horse" is being thrown around everywhere.
Go ahead call it whatever "co-op" "no-op" just leave the details
there for ObamaCare single payer Canadian Health Care system.
I don't think that cute little trick is going to work.
Too many people STILL have their eagle eye on this.
I don't think the AARP will ever be the same.
Pelosi and Obama are in a box. That box is getting smaller
everyday. I don't think Harry Reid cares anymore.
He sees the truth and it's not pretty.



posted on Aug, 21 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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What have you seen or heard Harry Reid say that he appears to no longer care about Healthcare reform?

I live in NV, but I don't get to see every piece of breaking news.
Did I miss something newsworthy that gives you that impression about Harry Reid? Please do tell.



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