Has ATS become A Right Wing Side Show!?!?

reply to post by NoJoker13


No different than under Bush if I ever questioned some new crazy theory or over blown exaggeration of a report I would be labeled a Fascist and a Bush supporter and there would be rumblings about "Republicans" always trying to discredit the news or some crap like that.

I know you claim to have been here before under another user name, so you should notice that many people vocal against Bush that were labeled Liberals are now vocal against Obama and are labeled Conservative .. when they are neither, they just don't like the Government because regardless whos in power, they get screwed.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

A friend of my husband's recommended ATS to me a while ago. I love to read all the conspiracy related threads, also the UFO and crypto. But after a couple of days of observing the political discussions I decided to steer clear of them. I wish there was less of it but I guess such is the state of the world we live in. The downright nastiness is uncomfortable to watch and is filled with anger and intransigence.

I'll just stick to reading all the great UFO stuff.

Life is too short and precious to be wasted on politics.

reply to post by NoJoker13


No, I do not agree with you.

It is happening on both sides, so do not try to twist my words.

Both the left and the right do it.

Which is why I am neither right-wing nor left-wing, they both lose in my opinion.

It is plain divide and conquer, and I refuse to play the petty and spiteful games of either side.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


So you disagree that clearly the posts here LATELY are on one end? Do I really have to post links to the 90/10 ratio I've been talking about this entire time? Do I really? This thread has clearly shown that I'm spot on with the subject although there are people like yourself that are in the middle, most that have replied here; THE OVER WHELMING AMOUNT, are not. Do a search and get back to me on the threads with biased right wing views... I could and have but thats ammo for another day.

reply to post by NoJoker13


What people are trying to hammer into your skull is that the posts are not biased against "one end," they are rallying against "whichever end happens to be shafting them up the pooper today."

Currently, as Democrats hold nearly all the cards, guess who that would be?

It's not a personal attack on you or your politics. It's an attack on a bloated, worthless, dirtbag government. Regardless of who we're pretending is in charge of it today. :-)

reply to post by NoJoker13


I try to remain balanced. I learned from the thread below, where everyone accused me of being "left-wing", when I am not.

Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...

...and...

Blackwater : Left-Wing Liberal America, & Shifting Alliance, Leading Because It's For Our Future...

I am neither "right-wing" nor "left-wing", I am opposed to what I see as a manipulation through a false dichotomy that there are only two choices when it comes to a Presidential election, as well as opposed to the fact that the President is a controlled puppet by big industry and big business, and not a protector of the mass populace, therefore in my eyes, the election process is a huge scam, just to bilk Americans.

See, I can care less about the "right" or the "left", because I see both sides lying through their teeth, the politicians is who I am referring to, not necessarily the populace, they are feeding at the trough of lies spewing forth from the politicians they support.

Roasting Sheeple Through Innocent Poles and Sweet Grassy Knolls

I have not supported any President, no matter the party, in fact the only President I admired was J.F.K., and that's probably only because these idiots killed him.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

actually you'll probably fine with enough scooby-doo investigating that most people in the U.S. are more in the center. That most citizens in this country are tired of the extremes in both parties and that the anger you see on MSM bites showing the town-hall meetings are just ordinary citizens ,not right wingers or left wingers.

reply to post by NoJoker13


So it's how people feel lately. Nothing wrong with that. It's not republican, or anything like that. You've (hopefully) seen right here the large number of democrats agreeing that this health care bill is nonsense and not good and that the current government is failing.

Thus far I see nothing seriously separating Obama from Bush. Obama is simply another step in Bush's direction: more government, less independence.

And to be sailing the ship of socialism is also nonsense. This is not socialism. Socialism, by the very word social in it, means caring about people and government working for their benefits. This government is not doing that.

Right now there's simply another dynamic shift going on. Republicans abandoned Bush and so the shift went to the Democrats. Now the Democrats have repeated the faults of the Republicans, and the people are leaving them. And don't think that because Republican cohorts are leading this means that the Republicans might overwhelming support. We haven't forgotten about Bush yet. This time, the shift is away from both parties. And so now both parties must appease the people once more or face abandonment.

Proper application of this shift can easily cause either party to gain total control in the next election. The Republicans are simply using the shift correctly, and I see some Democrats also using the shift correctly. Those who use the shift correctly will survive. Those who do not will be left behind. At this rate, the Democrats stand to lose a lot and the Republicans stand to gain a lot, so you see on this website a great growth of what seems to be republicanism, but in actuality it's simply majority wing, with both democrats ans republicans on this. If you want to call it right wing be my guest. Right wing means 0 government, and many of these people are anarchists, so they are right wingers. But many republicans and democrats are centralist, leaning right. They support the rule of law under the constitution. The government has been ignoring that, and so the people have been responding with aggression and a right wing take over.

All and all, it's a simple lesson. Government by it's nature is left, and the people by their nature are right. The government wants more of itself, the people want less of it. It stands to reason that these pulling forces have become imbalanced, with a large amount going into the right. As such, the government is losing, and the illusion of a Republican take over is occurring. In fact no, it is a centralist overtaking, that leans right. The best take over you can get.


I for one have absolutely no problem with the vast growth of "right wing" presence on these boards. I'm liberal, I'm a socialist, but I'm a right winger. It's simply what's on the people's minds.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


So clearly you don't want me to show my evidence... fair enough. I understand your stance thats not what I'm talking about. Whatever you'd like to label these people as, call them "Biased Fearmongers" for all I care.

I agree with you joker. I have not been on this site long, but it is not hard to tell the political disposition of the majority of members. I respect the debate and I believe that debate is an important part of democracy. But here at ATS demographically speaking we represent a rather small "slice of the pie". Most of the people in the country welcome this change and just because the voices of the angry are the loudest does not mean there are not other voices.

Originally posted by RRconservative
Opposition to Nazi's is a good thing. Nothing hateful about that.

The definition of Nazi is National Socialism, the expanision of state control of the economy. Since this is exactly what Obama is doing the comparison is unavoidable. He has already taken over banks, autos, now he wants to take over the medical field. How much more can he take over before we call him the Fuhrer?

Economic definitions:

Recession: When your neighbor loses his job.
Depression: When you lose your job.
RECOVERY: When Obama loses his job!

I want Obama to fail....for the sake of our country!

Well said and written. The sad thing the topic poster doesn't realize is that for the past 60 years Americans, when polled nationwide, have consistently been 75% Conservative and 25% Democrat..... and over 80% believe in a Christian God of one stripe or another. BHO has proven that having a Harvard or Columbia education does not make one intelligent. I'd rather see the entire congress run by over the road truckers, as they have a better understanding of America than most any current politician; they know what it's like to actually work for a living. Conservatives are, and always have been, truer believers in what made this country the greatest and freest in the world.

The people pushing for an illegal Federal usurption of private medical industy are so ignorant of American history that I am beginning to wonder if we need Consitution tests and requierement that one is not on welfare in order for one be allowed to vote.


From
www.learntheconstitution.com...


Samuel Adams said the ideas of a welfare state were made unconstitutional by the Founders:

“The utopian schemes of leveling (redistribution of the wealth) and a community of goods (central ownership of all the means of production and distribution) are as visionary and impracticable as those which vest all property in the Crown. (These ideas) are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional.”

The Founders had a deep concern for the poor and needy. Disciples of the collectivist Left in the Founders’ day as well as our own have insisted that compassion for the poor requires that the federal government become involved in taking from the “haves” and giving to the “have nots.” Benjamin Franklin had been one of the “have nots,” and after living several years in England where he saw government welfare programs in operation, he had considerable to say about these public charities and their counterproductive compassion.

Franklin wrote a whole essay on the subject and told one of his friends: “I have long been of your opinion, that your legal provision for the poor (in England ) is a very great evil, operating as it does to the encouragement of idleness. We have followed your example, and begin now to see our error, and, I hope, shall reform it.”

A survey of Franklin ’s views on counterproductive compassion might be summarized as follows:

1. Compassion which gives a drunk the means to increase his drunkenness is counterproductive.
2. Compassion which breeds debilitating dependency and weakness is counterproductive.
3. Compassion which blunts the desire or necessity to work for a living is counterproductive.
4. Compassion which smothers the instinct to strive and excel is counterproductive.

Nevertheless, the Founders recognized that it is a mandate of God to help the poor and underprivileged. It is interesting how they said this should be done.

Franklin wrote: “To relieve the misfortunes of our fellow creatures is concurring with the Deity; it is godlike; but, if we provide encouragement for laziness, and supports for folly, may we not be found fighting against the order of God and Nature, which perhaps has appointed want and misery as the proper punishments for, and cautions against, as well as necessary consequences of, idleness and extravagance? When ever we attempt to amend the scheme of Providence , and to interfere with the government of the world, we had need be very circumspect, lest we do more harm than good.”

Nearly all of the Founders seem to have acquired deep convictions that assisting those in need had to be done through means which might be called “calculated” compassion.

Highlights from their writings suggest the following:

1. Do not completely care for the needy–merely help them to help themselves.
2. Give the poor the satisfaction of “earned achievement” instead of rewarding them without achievement.
3. Allow the poor to climb the “appreciation ladder”–from tents to cabins, cabins to cottages, cottages to comfortable houses.
4. Where emergency help is provided, do not prolong it to the point where it becomes habitual.
5. Strictly enforce the scale of “fixed responsibility.” The first and foremost level of responsibility is with the individual himself; the second level is the family; then the church; next the community; finally the county, and, in a disaster or emergency, the state. Under no circumstances was the federal government to become involved in public welfare. The Founders felt it would corrupt the government and also the poor. No constitutional authority exists for the federal government to participate in so-called social welfare programs. (Making of America p 218-220)

The U. S. Constitution states in Article I, section 8: The people of the states empower the Congress to expend money (for the enumerated purposes listed in Article I, section 8), provided it is done in a way that benefits the general welfare of the whole people. Thomas Jefferson explained that this clause was not a grant of power to “spend” for the general welfare of the people, but was intended to “limit the power of taxation” to matters which provided for the welfare of “the Union ” or the welfare of the whole nation. In other words, federal taxes could not be levied for states, countries, cities, or special interest groups. (Making of America p 387)

The Court unlawfully laid the foundation for what turned out to be an amendment to the Constitution in the 1936 Butler case, where “general welfare” was twisted to allow “special welfare”, and the federal budget jumped from six billion to six hundred billion in one generation. (Making of America p 255) Should the Federal Government be involved in Social Welfare, you be the judge.

reply to post by NoJoker13


Show evidence?

You mean of a "right-wing" slant?

It's your thread, do what you want with it, I just disagree.

I see more of a pattern of misdirection from both sides than anything.

So what's the verdict?

A Right Wing Side Show!?!?

I'm speechless.

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

 

Then what would you label the political charged threads here of late?

Is that something new?

I need to check out the archives.

Let's do a thread on past political post.

ATS does save them? Yes?

[edit on 083131p://bWednesday2009 by Stormdancer777]

So......tell me NoJoker13....are you having problems with the reality of what you claim to find on ATS/BTS??

Is it to difficult a reality with which to deal? Does it represent Amereica..or does only your view or position get to play through unquestioned or unchallanged...by default??

Does this view you claim is happening only pertain to ATS/BTS or does it pertain to America itself?

Down to the basics...are you having problems dealing with it? Would it put more ointment on your feelings or seintments if all the people of whom you disagree or have differing opinions...just were silent and allowed the views with which you favor play or default through??

Do you need a couple of makeovers to help you deal with this reality which seems to cause you to lose sleep?? To put ointmemt on your sentiments??

Is it so unfair??? Or are you interested in a fair playing field where people can express themeslves or do you only prefer one side??

Or to put it another way...do you prefer to let the market decide for itself??
Or would you prefer to let the market decide by your default settings and sentiments playing through on "Victimization Politics and Policys??"

What is it going to be or will this thread continue on by drama techniques for another 10 pages?? Drama ...ie...Victimization Politics!!

Victimization politics is standard M1A technique used by the left. Alot of Americans are begining to catch on to it..and also by this ...it is becoming obvious that the Media is shilling for its favored political parties. Meaing the media are Naked..they have on no clothes.
To Americans who can still think outside the box..this is getting very Wolfie.

How about it No Joker 13??

Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 19-8-2009 by orangetom1999]

All you have to do is watch Fox news and it shows up on ATS.

I guess what is more frightening is that we are accussed of only listening to the liberal MSM, which I dont personally. but as usual, we get accussed of what they party is doing, it is all projection.

No one is denying there was bush bashing. And a lot of it was stupid.

No one is arguing that.

Like I said, the difference is one, there are WAY more people on ats now.

I doubt Bush had this much bashing in the first six months of office.

With every president, regardless of party, I do a wait and see. I hope they surprise me.

But it seems that the right wingers on this boars are trying to make up for 8 years of bashing in six months.

That is wher the problem lies. Teh left had 9/11, and two wars, and a several questionable elections.

The right has....health care reform.

seriously.

reply to post by orangetom1999


Good try, I won't give into an arguement however childish you may sound. If your taking me as what you are clearly you've missed the point of this thread and haven't gone through and read all of my posts. To each his own, clearly you've chosen the side of instigation.

reply to post by Nightflyer28


I absolutely agree, watching Fox News proves my point entirely. Is there a fox news forum here on ATS? O ya it's the political issues and political conspiracies forum.

This was also a reply to nixie!

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