USA could soon be at war with Russia over upcoming Russian invasion of Georgia !!!

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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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Good stuff there.

Thanks for the info.




posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Russia is all bark and no bite nowadays.

I really don't think we should be siding with Georgia either. That's just asking for trouble and if Russia and China have an alliance, it's China we'd have to be worried about (since we owe them money, etc).



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by Janitor From Mars
Russia is all bark and no bite nowadays.



Do some research man. They have ALOT of bite.

Token second line

[edit on 8/15/2009 by Lemon.Fresh]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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I'm wondering how we know the Russians subs are near our coast. I can't imagine this would be something that either government would admit to.

I don't see us having a war with Russia. There simply is too much to lose, and not enough to gain. What I *could* see happening is that we'll sit back over Georgia, and Russia will sit back over Iran. I'm pretty sure we'll wind up going after Iran, because the idea of them having nukes is very unsettling.

I don't see any sort of conspiracy to depopulate the earth. Whatever elite there may be needs bodies to do the grunt work. The more people, the easier to replace them, the less they have to pay them or give them rights. In history, the notion of human rights and trade guilds and such began only after the Plague had reduced the population by about two thirds. Suddenly workers had choices they never had before. They were in demand. That gave them unprecedented power.

Same now. Many people = human life is worthless, human rights can be violated freely. Few people = can't get enough people to do the slave work, you have to pay them more, they get rights, all kinds of horrors (if you're the elite).



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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Threatening global stability over Georgia? Going to war against Russia over that Caucasian backwater would be insane! Almost as insane as backing that imbecile lap dog Mikheil Saakashvili. That guy is a couple cans short of a six pack trying to fight the Russians head-on over South Ossetia. However, if the US and Nato feel they have an alliance with the Saakashvilli government, then encroachments by the Russians; would give them the ammunition for an escalation of their forces in that region.

Apparently, the bear is awakening from it's long slumber with nuclear flights over Alaska and now Russian submarines operating off the the eastern seaboard of the United States. As some have speculated, maybe a confrontation with Russia is just what the NW0 needs to once and for all to establish their maniacal agenda for the world. There is no doubt that there are some sinister forces at work in the background regarding this issue and others. All I can say is, I hope going to war with Russia is worth it. We all know what happened to Germans over 60 years after such folly. Millions will die as a result and a global recession will be the least of worries. However, the madmen seem to do what ever they want now-a-days and it is futile to rail against them and their idiotic policies.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by Jakes51]



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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That was excellent; I agree

star for you.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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To reverse the situation as the commentator in the video alluded to...What if..Texas split from the US and instantly formed strong relations with Mexico granted protection from Mexico. Would the US not be launching airstrikes within hours on Mexico??

If the West was smart they would back away from this alliance. WW3 isn't worth it over Georgia or Iran. The West needs to quit being so hypocritical. I don't like the idea of Iran having nukes more than anyone else. However in this crazy world I'm less worried about Iran using nukes as opposed to one of the so-called "Good Guys" using them.



PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!! I'M OUT



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by DEEZNUTZ
To reverse the situation as the commentator in the video alluded to...What if..Texas split from the US and instantly formed strong relations with Mexico granted protection from Mexico. Would the US not be launching airstrikes within hours on Mexico??

If the West was smart they would back away from this alliance. WW3 isn't worth it over Georgia or Iran. The West needs to quit being so hypocritical. I don't like the idea of Iran having nukes more than anyone else. However in this crazy world I'm less worried about Iran using nukes as opposed to one of the so-called "Good Guys" using them.



PEACE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!! I'M OUT


My sentiments exactly and star for you. If the people of power with their Ivy League educations thought like you, maybe just maybe, their futile wars would subside. However, that right there is a fairy tale world and I don't see mankind moving away from warfare or our combative natures anytime soon. It would be good if we could though.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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I'll give it to the russians, they make beautiful war planes. sorry, continue.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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There will be no war with Russia. russia has too powerful missile defense system. including s300, topolj-m, etc. Besides Russia has some advantage in submarine field as well. And submarines as you know carry nukes as well and can be deployed anywhere. Russia does not have such sophisticated control systems as awacs and can not execute wars as precisely as it was done in Desert Storm, yet it is a very dangerous opponnent. US would never provoke Russia, knowing how unpredictable this country can be. neither would US provoke china- the sponsor of the whole US economy. Us only goes to war with relatively weak countries that have huge natural resources and no nuclear weapons. iran- 2nd biggest natural gas reserve in the world. venezuela- 4 th largest oil reserve in the world. And yes US command scrupulously analyzes what armament does each country have and only attack countries that have been provided by Russia/Soviet Union and has obsolete weaponry. In this case Us does not lose an export partner because they have simply never exported anything to this country. So here are the main precursors-
1. No nukes.
2. Huge natural resources.
3. Non US export partner.
4.Obsolete weaponry.
These 4 points can not be attributed to Russia. So no war possible.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 02:11 AM
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I just think the whole world needs to take about a 5 year "timeout". No hostilities for a certain period of time to fix the world economy instead of using wars to boost the economy for a short term spike that is always burst. It's almost around a 10 year cycle of grow,grow,grow,peak,crash start a new war that makes oil spike or dip and cause economic chaos. Move on to another sector "Pump and Dump" is the Wall Street term I think.

I have a friend who achieved a 97% average at one of the toughest medical schools in Canada but has no common sense whatsoever. Just because your book smart it doesn't make you street smart. Street smarts are way more important in life. Too bad politicians dont have the same.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 02:13 AM
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well there is this story floating around that isnt getting that much attention.
very interesting indeed.
www.youtube.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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[edit on 16-8-2009 by middleclasssoldier]



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 02:14 AM
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Could China and Russia fight together against the US/westen nations?
Russia and China combined....That would turn out as one hell of a fight.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 02:23 AM
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I believe that a major thing that still has to occur before the Elite can properly establish their long planned New World Order is MASSIVE population reduction..


Not sure how you can consider a war between russia and the U.S. a "massive reduction in population"...

Even if all the inhabitants in both copuntries were to die 9/10ths of the world population would still exist...

so...to me that point is moot...

I would be willing to bet my house and both dogs that their will never be a war between Russia and America...



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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It would take alot more than this to cause a war with the united states and russia,Anyway with the level of technology in commnications i cannot see a third war with russia even occuring.Fast commnications and negosiations would kick in and stop it.There would proberly be a bigger chance for a nuclear war occuring with china or north korea.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by GORGANTHIUM]



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by chiron613
I'm wondering how we know the Russians subs are near our coast. I can't imagine this would be something that either government would admit to.

I don't see us having a war with Russia. There simply is too much to lose, and not enough to gain. What I *could* see happening is that we'll sit back over Georgia, and Russia will sit back over Iran. I'm pretty sure we'll wind up going after Iran, because the idea of them having nukes is very unsettling.

I don't see any sort of conspiracy to depopulate the earth. Whatever elite there may be needs bodies to do the grunt work. The more people, the easier to replace them, the less they have to pay them or give them rights. In history, the notion of human rights and trade guilds and such began only after the Plague had reduced the population by about two thirds. Suddenly workers had choices they never had before. They were in demand. That gave them unprecedented power.

Same now. Many people = human life is worthless, human rights can be violated freely. Few people = can't get enough people to do the slave work, you have to pay them more, they get rights, all kinds of horrors (if you're the elite).


Well first of all when you say to much to lose, you have to understand that the Elite plan is to bring the US down from it's superpower status so that it will slot in nicely as just another state in the one world government.

So to destroy the US economy and kill off millions of it's population is in fact just all part of the plan.. and what better way to do it than to create a war with a 'rival' that also needs to kill of millions of it's people.

And as far as the Elite needing lots of people to work for them, that is true, but they don't need 7 billion people.. they actually spell out how many they need quite clearly on the Georgia Guidestones.. I believe the number is about 500,000,000.. or half a billion in other word. Thats still a decent amount of people left to keep things running. They describe the rest as useless eaters.

So to sum it up the leaders of both the US and Russia are most likely working together, to create the illusion that the two countries are at conflict over Georgia, in order to start a war and kill of hundreds of millions of 'useless eaters', because they believe that when the phoenix rises from the ashes, they will be the rulers in the New World Order, One World Government.

Watch for China to become involved also.

[edit on 16-8-2009 by savetimerushonline]



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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Never happen. The US has secured oil in the middle east, as well as having a good bit of backing in the area in general. You also have the pakistan and india factor, as well as China.

The old days of big wars is over. It was ended with the atomic bomb. There has not been a large war since the atomic bomb ended the last one.

The only thing Russia really has is ICBM's. Notice the Russia submarines "are being tracked". Meaning, they could be blown out of the water within minutes if they wanted.

So you have Japan, acting as a forward base if China gets involved. Those 2 have fought a good bit and Japan gave China quite a licking in WW2 despite the size difference. Europe in the West of Russia with all those allies, and then the eastern Russian front with Japan/Alaska.

Russia on the other hand has no real foothold to the US. Canada nor Mexico won't side with Russia, Cuba is about it but that's already shown to be a wash.

I'm guessing at best you might get another vietnam type situation which brings in profits for arms. Where 1 side fights, and the other side funds the locals.

So basically, just like the cold war the only real threats are nuclear. And the power in nukes isn't dropping them, it's having them.

All you gotta do is check out military spending.

en.wikipedia.org...

US = $636,292,979,000
All of the EU = $312,259,000,000
China = $70,308,600,000
France = $68,584,100,000

Russia is way down in 8th, with only $39,600,000,000, after the UK, Germany and Japan, all US allies. Which is then in return followed by India and Saudi Arabia.

Not to mention the trillions that just happen to come up missing here, or the black ops things that are paid for by commercial cash.

The US alone makes up for 41% of the worlds military spending. And you think Russia is a threat? Only the nukes.

If there is a war, it's gonna be fabricated 100%. Arms races and times of the 50's and 60's is about as far as it will go IMO.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by badmedia
Never happen.



Hey it's all very well to list those facts to try and build a case for why Russia and the US will never go to war, but I'm afraid that your thinking in a rational kind of way, rather than thinking in a 'Order out of Chaos' illuminati kind of way.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by Advancedboy
There will be no war with Russia.


Alright we should just end this thread now then, its rather pointless to continue discussing something that has absolutely no chance what so ever of happening.

But on the other hand there is alway the chance that there will be war with Russia, so we should keep the thread open..

Just found this quote at Russia Today

"As Tbilisi and Washington work together, Georgia looks like a pressure cooker waiting to explode – like it did last summer when Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili chose to attack the breakaway republic of South Ossetia.

“There are conflicts in every society, but here they are happening all the time. Because of the geopolitical location of Georgia, [the efforts of] a lot of powerful countries in the world are concentrated in this region. The possibility exists for the whole Caucasus to catch fire at any time,” says sociology and philosophy professor Shota Kvirtia, who lost his wife seventeen years ago when war engulfed the region of Abkhazia, which was fighting for its independence from Georgia."



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 03:49 AM
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Well, spending is not a valuable denominator for a capacity of a country`s military. What is more important, is actually amount of engineers involved in constructing new weaponry systems,and manufacturing capacity of weaponry. US simply wastes huge amounts of money, because it is government money, meaning, someone pays who is not accountable of earning it. A single ashtray in B2 bomber costs around 1000 dollars, can you imagine amount of work a Chinese engineer could do for the same money? Those big companies use the old strategy, they promise to build a plane for one sum of money, then when the projects is given go ahead, they simply blackmail the government by endlessly increasing the price. The only thing the governmnet can do is to decrease the amount of units to purchase. So this goes on and on until a B2 costs close to 1.5 billion dollars, while it should cost near 750bn . And I would be careful stating that all Russian submarines are tracked and could be taken out in minutes. try taking out a single kilo -class submarine! besides Russians have secret concrete( as in cement) submarines that are undetectable and can be pulled to any location just to wait and strike.





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