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Originally posted by Woland
Do you have your own security team or would you go to the police if you'd had your car stolen or house burgled?
If it's the latter, haven't you ever heard personal responsibility? Perhaps, you shouldn't have things that are worth stealing.
Using the tax dollars of people that can afford security teams? Shame on you.
Originally posted by redhatty
Strawman argument, but for the sake of explaining personal responsibility to you...
so in effect, even if I was robbed, I have paid for the police efforts that would result from such a violation of my property.
Originally posted by king9072
Best part, is when you leave, and it costs you nothing. Ever.
Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch
there are already programs in place to help the really poor, and the disabled.
Why should those who produce, save, live within their means, plan ahead, in other words, know and live their lives as an example of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY pay for the lack of that same personal responsibility in others?
We have a person who chose to get addicted to pain pills that they got for free through a government program, then used that same program to get off the drugs trying to proclaim that the program is a good thing & there should be more of it???
You think this is GOOD??? You think this is RIGHT???
Or how about another poster who not only defaulted on their mortgage & lost their business & filed bankruptcy, but then, when in the worst financial situation they have ever been in had not one but 2 kids that was financed by taxpayer money??
Again, was this a good thing? Was this an example of being personally responsible???
I am only being completely honest in what I think about what is being said here. My opinions are mine, and I do not apologize for them.
Originally posted by Woland
Hardly. You complain about free healthcare paid for through tax, because the OP pays less tax than you.
I'm asking if you think that the police force, also paid for by tax, is unfair because you pay less tax than Britney Spears, who has her own security team?
The OP pays taxes, too. You took him to task because your tax dollars shouldn't be used for his health. Well, why should Britney Spears, who pays much, much more tax than you*, have her tax dollars used because someone shot one of your guard dogs and you want them to bring the unknown killer to justice?
can't tell you about those costs under self pay.
Who are you to judge another human being because of a currency. Money does not make a man.
In a society where there ARE poorer people, someone has to help them, and that someone is YOU, and everyone else. Deal with it.
If we lived in an Indian tribe, there wouldnt BE poor people
The OP did use a program to help the poor. He was in an accident, took pain killers for his pain, became addicted, then needed help to remove this addiction. Id say kudos to him for getting off them.
Addiction DOES occur
Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
The OP did use a program to help the poor. He was in an accident, took pain killers for his pain, became addicted, then needed help to remove this addiction. Id say kudos to him for getting off them.
Addiction DOES occur, it happened to Elizabeth Taylor as well, she became addicted to pain meds..doesnt make him a leech or a scum. But a human being that needed help.
The OP says he DOES work, so that means he DOES pay taxes. Yes, I think it is a good thing.
The other poster is in a hard situation as are many in the country right now. I know several people who have lost their homes and jobs. How does this make him a bad person?
Are you saying that having children made him a bad person? You're kidding, right?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Woland
Police and such are funded by LOCALITIES.
Let's not leave intelligence at the door when entering a thread.
reply to post by redhatty
can't tell you about those costs under self pay.
Expensive. And the "cheap" plans don't usually cover anything beyond what you mentioned. And I noticed dental and vision were absent from the bill.
reply to post by Yummy Freelunch
Who are you to judge another human being because of a currency. Money does not make a man.
In a society where there ARE poorer people, someone has to help them, and that someone is YOU, and everyone else. Deal with it.
1. He is entitled to an opinion, and to accuse arrogance with an arrogant tone doesn't help sway favor in your direction...
2. It's not "my job" or "his job" or ANYONES "job" to take of ANYONE except themselves. If you feel inclined to donate to certain organizations that help the poor, by all means do so. I donate to Shriners as well as other small local charities that directly benefit people. But I won't be "strong armed" into "helping" anyone.
If we lived in an Indian tribe, there wouldnt BE poor people
We would all live in huts. Sounds appealing.. but even the poor are not THAT poor in America. The poor here have it easy. Compared to the poor in Africa, South America and Asia they live like kings and queens! .. but your idea is in line with communist beliefs.. we can't all be rich, that's impossible.... but we CAN all be poor.. hey, it's equal.
How long would you last in a stick hut. In northern New York. In the winter.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Addiction DOES occur
"Accidentally Addicted" .. I like that one.
That is actually how most addictions start. Actually look up how addiction works then make comments.
People fall on hard times. There are many charities and individuals that help those that do. If the government will give me anything I want, what's the goal to work?
Just do an experiment for me and try to receive and live solely on those charities.
Posts like this just show that someone just goes by myth and stereotype and doesn't see for themselves the system.
First off, you don't get that much money. It is to HELP, not solely provide for someone. A family of three gets 200$ a month for food. Think you can feed yoruselfs for 200 bucks a month? Many get even less. That is if you have NO income. If you have any income, it deducts for that.
Second of all, you have to actively apply for jobs and take classes, or be in school to get it.
Thirdly, many people are working, they just don't get paid enough to be able to provide for their families.
whats the incentive? UNless you want to eat bpand j for the rest of your life and live in crappy subsidized housing, your gonna look for a better job.
I work in a welfare office, I see many college school schedules come in because people are trying to get out of their rut.
Originally posted by redhatty
The OP pays NO TAXES, as is clearly revealed in the course of the thread. So should someone who doesn't save their money and doesn't pay any taxes, be proclaiming the goodness of government run health care for everyone?
Originally posted by iamjesusphishdid you miss the part that said I am a tax paying citizen?
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Woland
Police and such are funded by LOCALITIES.
Originally posted by redhatty
Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
The OP did use a program to help the poor. He was in an accident, took pain killers for his pain, became addicted, then needed help to remove this addiction. Id say kudos to him for getting off them.
Addiction DOES occur, it happened to Elizabeth Taylor as well, she became addicted to pain meds..doesnt make him a leech or a scum. But a human being that needed help.
The OP says he DOES work, so that means he DOES pay taxes. Yes, I think it is a good thing.
The OP also stated that he gets a refund every year, that is NOT "paying" taxes, that is having the .gov "borrow" some of your money for a while, you still get it back.
You didn't even touch on my question, if the OP never had medicaid to pay for his pain pills, do you think the OP would have managed to become addicted in the first place?
The other poster is in a hard situation as are many in the country right now. I know several people who have lost their homes and jobs. How does this make him a bad person?
Are you saying that having children made him a bad person? You're kidding, right?
No, I didn't say that it made him a "bad" person, do NOT put words in my mouth.
What it does display is a LACK of the concept of Personal Responsibility. And that applies for anyone who choses to procreate without being able to afford to do so.
Responsible people have children when they are in a stable position, and they save up money for the cost and care of the child. Irresponsible people have kids when they can't afford it.
DO YOU not understand the concept of Personal Responsibility??? If not, then I give up too.
Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
Its everyones "job", we are all human beings floating on this rock together, if you want to turn your back on your fellow life, be my guest, hope you sleep well at night. Charities , who actually gets the money. It all comes down to the buck, doesnt it.
Actually if all you knew were huts, it wouldnt matter, what mattered is everyone worked together as a unit. They didnt turn their backs on their fellows. They took in other's children, they worked together for food, shelter, fun, and everything else that life is about. It wasnt about the almighty dollar.
Im not saying no one should be rich, what sickens me is treating someone like sh%t because they dont have as much of the "green" as someone else.
Absolutely, but I didnt take over the whole thread..
Its everyones "job", we are all human beings floating on this rock together, if you want to turn your back on your fellow life, be my guest, hope you sleep well at night. Charities , who actually gets the money. It all comes down to the buck, doesnt it.
Actually if all you knew were huts, it wouldnt matter, what mattered is everyone worked together as a unit. They didnt turn their backs on their fellows. They took in other's children, they worked together for food, shelter, fun, and everything else that life is about. It wasnt about the almighty dollar. Im not saying no one should be rich, what sickens me is treating someone like sh%t because they dont have as much of the "green" as someone else.
Even in primitive tribes, if someone was leeching off the rest of the tribe, they would be shunned. Not the elderly, who helped the society, and not those who were disabled through whatever misfortune, but those who chose to do nothing would be shunned and ultimately expelled from the tribe.
Originally posted by redhatty
Originally posted by Yummy Freelunch
Its everyones "job", we are all human beings floating on this rock together, if you want to turn your back on your fellow life, be my guest, hope you sleep well at night. Charities , who actually gets the money. It all comes down to the buck, doesnt it.
Actually if all you knew were huts, it wouldnt matter, what mattered is everyone worked together as a unit. They didnt turn their backs on their fellows. They took in other's children, they worked together for food, shelter, fun, and everything else that life is about. It wasnt about the almighty dollar.
Im not saying no one should be rich, what sickens me is treating someone like sh%t because they dont have as much of the "green" as someone else.
It's everyone's "job" to take care of themselves FIRST and FOREMOST.
Even in primitive tribes, if someone was leeching off the rest of the tribe, they would be shunned. Not the elderly, who helped the society, and not those who were disabled through whatever misfortune, but those who chose to do nothing would be shunned and ultimately expelled from the tribe.
The elderly and disabled and orphans are helped by the whole tribe, yes, but even then they are expected to also help the tribe too, by helping to watch the young while the younger and healthier do what is necessary for the tribe to thrive.
Charity is for those who need it due to no fault of their own. Debilitating illnesses, catastrophic accidents, unforseen forces of nature that wipe you out.
Choosing to be unproductive, choosing to fall into addiction does not warrant the charity of others. It didn't in primitive tribes and still doesn't