It doesn't really matter you can "want" all you want, but you aren't going to get it. Even if this bill does pass it isn't going to be anything like what you think it is.

Only the very rich are going to be able to afford private insurance because it is going to cost a fortune to have it. The rest of us are going to be forced to the "public option" That you will be taxed on.

That is if we still even have an economy by that point. They are going to need to pass Cap and Trade to be able to cover the added expense of it. Then we are all going to be in the poor house and even the "public option" will be too much to afford.

If people actually think for two seconds about what is coming down the pipe and if it passes we will have to start building this country from scratch because people are going to burn it down.

So while everybody that "wants" "Free" health care remember that somebody has to pay for it, and by the time it is all said and done, the refund checks will no longer be refunds, the gov will keep it.

That "free" health care is no longer "free" when the gov takes 15% of your check, with that amount of cash a year you can afford a damn good health care plan.

Originally posted by ohioriver



Hahahaha And while your at it tell them to stop eating and die ! How do you seriously think someone making minimum wage has any of those things. They can barely afford rent and utilities much less cable tv.

Okay, then get two jobs, further your education, whatever, it is your responsibility, no one elses. I am not college educated yet I am a sole provider. In the past I have done some of the hardest jobs in the world to make ends meet, it's all about personal responsibility.

Oh, and people making minimum wage deserve minimum wage IMHO. I made minimum wage when I was 14, and never again. Put in more effort, work as hard as you can, you can make it with determination and hard work.

Originally posted by ohioriver
Reason and the interest of these institutions themselves, certainly decide in favor of the former practice.

I could never figure out the former/later thing.. I always end up choosing the wrong one.

And then reversing it the next time I come across the phrase.

I have former / later dyslexia

Hey OP...how's this sit with you? Maybe a bit exaggerated, but let's just say for kicks and grins, how is this going to turn out with government controlled healthcare. Now, remember, the healthcare coverage in this country is going to change from what it is now, so your wonderful medicaid isn't going to work the way it does now, if they pass this.

1: Jonny III., who is 6, falls on the playground and breaks his arm. He goes to the ER and waits for 4 hours, in pain, but eventually, they set his arm, throw on a cast and give him some aspirin and send him on his way. Hey, the kid's young and healthy and has his whole life in front of himin eight weeks, he goes and gets the cast removed, everything is fine except for the rash on his arm since he had to wear the cast an additional two weeks cause he had to wait for a doctor.

2: Jonny Sr. is 80 and has a massive heart attack. The doctor calls the government or goes by guidelines or however they decide to do it. Well, he's 80, he's lived a full life but we don't have a dr to do surgery and it would be too costly. Put him on a vent and in a room at the end of the hall and see how is does. Well, since he's so old and can't have bypass surgery or stints, or anything else, he has lost oxygen to his brain, his organs shut down and he's dead in two days - or - we'll do surgery but it will be three months before he can have it and he dies in the meantime.

Jonny Jr. is 40, and now he's lost his father, since he has an addicctive personality, the stress of losing his father is taking it's toll, so one night he as one too many pills to ward off the stress and oh no, taken to the hospital in an ambulance. Well, the decision makers of your medical care look at your record and say, well, he's OD'd before and he has had addictions, do we really want to spend much more on him? Give him an IV with fluids and see what happens. Well, Jr. is going to go in one of two ways. He's either going to live with perhaps some brain damage or he's going to die.

Which leaves Jonny III with no grandfather and maybe no father, or a father that can't take care of himself and is now a burden to his family because the government doesn't feel they need to do too much as he is ok sitting in his recliner staring into space.

Maybe a bit exaggerated, but honestly think about it.

So, two things to live by here, and they are true.

Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing and Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it.

Originally posted by mental modulator
And your post is the reason clucking chicken and booze don't mix.

I'm glad to pay for OP recovery!

Well good for you, because if you continued to read the thread, you would have learned that you payed for his addiction too.

Hope that one made you just as happy

Originally posted by Rockpuck
Another aspect not being discussed about this Government plan..

Let's assume it passes, and millions jump onto the Government insurance plans... it's safe to assume millions will also drop private coverage and join such a plan as well. For every person that drops from the insurance companies pool of premiums, the premiums for everyone else will sky rocket.

Ok: lets summarize this into one sentence and use general instead of specific terms ok?

Decrease in Demand will cause an increase in prices.

...

Oh: and supply stays the same, and the good isn't scarce (you can always print more policies)

Don't think that that ever happened in the history of economics.