I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

The bottom line is EVERYONE wants all Americans to have health care. What people are afraid of is that OUR Government will not do a good job and will dump 100s of billions (trillions) into a system that looses more to waste than helps those in need. So we get more dumped into a wasteful system that seriously affects the standard of living for those who just happen to work hard but will end up paying exorbitant taxes. This boils down to we have little faith in the current Government to do it right and not just create a huge mess.

Another worrying part is this bill is like 8 inches thick and is full of agendas that will cost us 100s of billions that do not help a single person. Also it has a potential to grow into a monstrous size gobbling up everyone into it, but the very rich. Right now I have health insurance with my company, but how long before my company drops their great plan and I get dumped into this one? I work hard for a reason, and I would not like to lose my benefits that help give me the quality of life I have created with my own sweat and blood.

The ideology that those who make a living must now squeeze their pay checks dry and get dumped into some mega inefficient plan to help their fellow Americans is total bull.

Now here are the “Ifs”…If this plan can reform healthcare to cost less, if this plan can fit in without destroying the plans of those with healthcare already, if it can be within a normal budget, If it actually helps people in need and not just fill personal agendas, and add about 8 more inches of ifs… I would be all for it, but I have little faith that it will even accomplish one “IF” without huge sacrifices on the working class.

What is so bad about a more localized state run plan subsidized by the government? At least at the state level they would be focused on those actually in need.

[edit on 24-8-2009 by Xtrozero]

I don't know why people who deny that health care should be a basic service from government are in such a tizy saying oh well it's not governments role, or I don't want my tax dollars going towards it.

How is it any different than these basic services, garbage pick up, police, Fire department, public schooling, road maintenance, and so on. Why is public health insurance such sacrilege in America?

But spending billions maintaining the American empire overseas that's ok, that's a good use of our tax dollars .

There is some seriously messed up logic going on in some Americans heads these days.



[edit on 24-8-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

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It's called the 10th Amendment, found in the Bill of Rights, which states

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
I don't know why people who deny that health care should be a basic service from government are in such a tizy saying oh well it's not governments role, or I don't want my tax dollars going towards it.

How is it any different than these basic services, garbage pick up, police, Fire department, public schooling, road maintenance, and so on. Why is public health insurance such sacrilege in America?

Uh.. try reading the Constitution. That might be a start.

So what your saying is that if a state wanted to, it could have public insurance, and that would be ok under the constitution. But that state alone would have to pay for it.

If that is the case why hasn't the most liberal and democratic states instituted it already?

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
So what your saying is that if a state wanted to, it could have public insurance, and that would be ok under the constitution. But that state alone would have to pay for it.

If that is the case why hasn't the most liberal and democratic states instituted it already?

You ask a great question, do you live in a Liberal/Democratic State? Ask your Reps & Senators why this hasn't been done on a state level.

New York has a type of public plan, called Healthy New York

[edit on 15-9-2009 by JamesNZ]

[edit on 15-9-2009 by JamesNZ]

800 Billion to bailout companies that rip-off society - ACCEPTED
800 Billion to kill people in other countries - ACCEPTED
800 Billion to make sure Pensions checks are there - ACCEPTED
800 Billion to help out the american people with healthcare - DENIED


It sucks when the average joe (or josephine) who makes X amout per month and spends A+B+C

A = (.5/X) = Rent + Food + Utilities
B = (.25/X) = Car Insurance/Registration + Upkeep + Gas
C = (.25/X) = Health Expenses (insurance + trip to doc or specialist)

X = A+B+C (paycheck to paycheck)

too bad for E, F, G, H, Etc..

E = Saving for college
F = Saving to buy a home (instead of credit)
G = Saving for hard times
H = Saving for Retirement

[edit on 16-9-2009 by FORMe2p00p0n]

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Where on earth have you people taken this thread? the Iraq war... come on now... this thread is about health care for americans and my own testimony as to how it saved my life. Yes I am a recovering drug addict. Yes it was started on pain meds, yes i have an addictive personality, yes i am 23 and yes I believe i know more about life then some of you in this thread that may be double my age. Come on now, every American deserves health insurance... please get rid of your not my tax dollar mentalities and realize your tax dollars bailed out the banks and the auto industry. So its ok for corporations to receive your taxes but not your fellow americans... I am disgusted by some of you...

There's no shame in been a recovering addict. People turn to all sorts of things like this for a number of reasons. Sometimes yeah its peer pressure but other times it is to take away the pain of something bad. From the sounds of things you've been through something rough. I can understand where ya coming from.
As I'm from england I benfit from the NHS. Yep taxes are higher but as it can help the most needy then I'm proud to be able to do that. The NHS saved my little bro and sis, keeps me nan alive and is there if i get injured. It also helps those who have a addictions so that they can be a working part of the nation again. So tell me why america hasn't grown up yet? Its time for you as citzens of a strong and great nation to get ya act together and produce strong healthly clever citzens everywhere. If that means paying now then it'll be worth it in the long run, believe me.
If you need more info read about the uk before the wars and how it worked (it was very alien to now) and then compare with today. Please bring your arguements and I will give as best intellgence answers as I can, but don't come giving abuse cause that just shows your lack of understanding.

You have NO right to health care you can't pay for. Just like you have NO right to take your car in to get fixed and expect it to be fixed for free if you can't pay for it.

Originally posted by borrowedname
You have NO right to health care you can't pay for. Just like you have NO right to take your car in to get fixed and expect it to be fixed for free if you can't pay for it.

if the government is taking my money through taxes, to pay for the medical care of other people, like the op, well, that kind of gives me that right!!!
you don't take food from a starving family, to feed it to another starving family!
you don't take the roof off the heads of one family to place a roof over the head of another.
and, well, you don't take the healthcare from one sick person, so another can have it!!!

now, having said that, and well, I have been around these boards awhile, many of yas know this, but some of yas don't...
I have been without healthcare, I have come very close to being denied health care that was needed to keep me functional....
and all along my family has paid taxes, part of which has gone to provide healthcare to others....some of whom, quite frankly seemed to get around much better than I was!!

but, if you want my opinion, this plan will more than likely do more to take the healthcare from some, just to give it to someone else.
if they can't take care of all of those who need the help, maybe it would be better not to do anything??

like some one pointed out earlier in this thread...
healthcare maybe will cost you around $80 a month, unless you live in a liberal state, then it's more like $100 or $150!! the more help they give, the higher the cost it, the more people there are that needs the help, the more people there are that are finding that they just don't qualify for the help!!

the constitution does not give the gov't the power to pick and chose who should have healthcare, who shouldn't, who should be saved, who shouldn't!
that flies right into the face of the principles that this country was founded on.

a better approach would be to work towards making the system more affordable for all of us! since well, we are a nation that values our freedom, and freedom and independence run hand in hand.
that freedom it gonna be fading as long as there's such a large portion of WORKING americans earning so little money while the cost of living is so outrageous!
that is what we should be working on!!



[edit on 18-9-2009 by dawnstar]

Well I for one am done paying taxes.. im sorry.. but im not giving this criminal organization any more cash to fund blood sucker people, and their criminal agenda.

If they really want to reform health care, they should put limits on how much insurance can charge, me, a 26 year old, non drinker, non smoker, in good health, exercise, clean driving record.. I should pay x amount...
You, a drug user, should pay xx amount.

but obviously make it so people can afford it.
This thought that people think the GOV should pay for them is ridiculous.
clean up your act. work hard. pay for insurance.

reply to post by thebluecadet

people ARE working hard, they just can't afford the insurance, or they have the insurance but can't afford their share of the costs.

I got a feeling that you, yes, even you, could find yourself in the very same situation if presented with the right circumstances. some of my coworkers are going to the doctor or labs, or whatever four or five times a month, some of their meds are eating up close to half their monthly pay! And, well, the one that comes to mind the most while I am typing this is my supervisor!! She worked hard enough to make it to that position, but she can't afford this!! She owes so much money, she won't be getting it paid off in her lifetime, which means dear, like it or not, YOU ARE GONNA BE PAYING THAT BILL!! one way or another.....

I am beginning to think that ya, we could afford the healthcare!! it's all those insane paychecks that are given to the upper managements throughout our economy that we can't afford!!! heck, think if we added up the yearly salaries and bonuses of these "we worked hard, we deserve it" people, the sum would be larger than the dollars circulating in our economy??

Originally posted by dawnstar

people ARE working hard, they just can't afford the insurance, or they have the insurance but can't afford their share of the costs.

And a person in this category that works hard but still needs help in health care is estimated less than 10 million. Obama even lower his hugely inflated numbers from 47 million to 30 million and the 30 million really is 10 million or less that are who you are talking about.

So do we need a federal plan that will cost trillions to help the 10 million in need? Why not let the states find these people and support them with federal assistance? Let’s keep this at the level it should be and let it work for those who need it.

If the government helped a person who lets say needed milk and they had at the local level a person that went into a store and bought a gallon for $3.50 and gave it to the person in need, or if they set up a national milk service with a huge over head and that person still got their milk but at a cost of $1000 for the gallon the person would still get their milk. I for one would like to pay only $3.50…..




[edit on 19-9-2009 by Xtrozero]

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Or....oh my God!!!
the milk company could find a way to cut costs, and sell their milk for a little less, and the person's boss could offer a little more money in his paycheck....
and, he could buy his own milk!!!

by the way, to me it doesn't matter if it's 100,000, 30,000, 10,000 or just one or two, it's unconstitutional in my book to take money from these people to pay for someone's else's healthcare if they cannot realistically obtain their own!



[edit on 19-9-2009 by dawnstar]

A personal experience...

I myself am freshly 24 years of age. I have a full time job and a degree and here are my insurance options : 600 for one person A MONTH or 800 for a family A MONTH. Some nice clauses that go with this are if I ever fall below 32 hours a week, since Im not on salary, I can be dropped from my insurance. I need to get my gallbladder out, guess what, I gained a bunch of weight, and then oops, I lost a bunch of weight which set it off so ya, I did it to myself. If anybody here has ever had a gallbladder attack then you know how painful they are. I've had this going on for over 2 years even moving to a freaking new state trying to get medical help that I can afford.

I went to a 'poor people hospital' where I was treated like I was some crackhead looking to score pain medication. I went to the emergency room after haveing a gallbladder attack for 3 days fearing I was becoming jaundice. I agreed to and paid for a drug test to prove I wasn't on anything to get 10 pain pills. I made them last too, I had them for almost a year because I would only take them when it got so bad that I wished I would've passed out other then feel it. Its a horrible feeling when your in that vulnerable state and someone is talking to you like your nothing. My doctor was very mean to me and I still think he deserves every penny he makes because he has saved at least one life.

I work as an embalmer so I see what a lot of people don't. I have to reconstruct faces and try to make people look as peaceful as possible for their last goodbye. I've seen people not found for a week, people ravaged by a disease, car wrecks, everything you can think of and I have to bring that person back out of this mess on my table and I try so hard every single time because they deserve it just as much as their loved ones.

I've seen drug addicts too, and every now and then I'll have one that has a tattoo of someone they cared abouts name, this person ment something to somebody and you can gladly take my check and try to stop this from happening again.

I don't know if this is the right way to go right now but what I do know is that nobodies life should hang on whether or not they can pay 600 dollars a month, get a brain tumor, then be dropped by their insurance company because they fell under 32 hours one week last year.

Eventually I will have a better position where I will be able to have better health benefits and such but I'll always be the girl who was humiliated and embarressed by not having insurance when I thought I was doing everything right and I'll never forget it.

Originally posted by dawnstar

by the way, to me it doesn't matter if it's 100,000, 30,000, 10,000 or just one or two, it's unconstitutional in my book to take money from these people to pay for someone's else's healthcare if they cannot realistically obtain their own!
[edit on 19-9-2009 by dawnstar]

Well I agree, but a national health care is coming anyway we look at it. I just want the one that actually helps with a doable cost when it hits my taxes.

reply to post by Xtrozero

The bottom line is EVERYONE wants all Americans to have health care

you know judging by some comments ive read i'm not sure thats the case. It seems some would rather let people die in the gutter than contribute to a universal health care system in the USA.

Truthfully i didnt have too big a problem with healthcare until they said it would be mandatory... Yeah lets fine everyone who doesnt get the public option. Its absolutely insane.
You do know why they do that right? because of emergency room costs of people who dont have insurance and then bail on the bill. So check this out ... Illegal Aliens arent covered? get emergency treatment and skip the bill! but the guy busting his balls at McDonalds for chump change has to pay 750 dollars a year if he doesnt get the public option ... absolutely rediculous