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I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

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posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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reply to post by Rockpuck
 


Oh for pity's sake. They are not "giving up", the reports say they have
"softened up".

Please.




posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
reply to post by Rockpuck
 


Oh for pity's sake. They are not "giving up", the reports say they have
"softened up".

Please.



That's true. In fact, the title of the event is quoted as "Whitehouse bows to the republicans demands on health care." And, if you read the details of what those republicans demands, you will find a pure socialist plan... the very thing they say they fought against! Go figure!

That made my day!

So now, those "republicans"... can't say all republicans because we know better, yet there is a certain group that the report points out... those "republicans" have started to drop the "socialist" term and now use one of the many 'freeloafers', 'parasites', 'handouts', and such terms instead.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


CUBA?? You are too gullible if you think Michael Moore got it all right.

try checking out www.therealcuba.com...

Yep we all want that kind of healthcare, don't we? [/quote

You're watching too many movies and television. Who cares about Michael Moore? I certainly don't. I care about the STATISTICS that are here and available that Michael Moore used on a superficial level. And, as I said, you didn't bother to research the information that I spoke of, you merely responded quickly in order to contradict me. You might want to read my last post where I predicted your exact behavior on this issue.

Believe it or not, there are many countries out there who are superior to us in many aspects. The U.S. isn't the best at EVERYTHING.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Night Star
 


There are some that would argue that since he does not have a job right now he is a leech and does not deserve health care. Because they "can't take my money to pay other people's health bills!!!" while the simple fact their money has been taken for soo much more sinister reasons for years now yet when someone talks about helping those they consider lower than themselves, now they rage.


Excellently stated.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
 


I've never bitched about elitists, you must have me confused with someone else who has continually proven you wrong.


The ONLY thing that you're proving is that you are intolerant and volatile. I don't see one post of yours that has reduced Watcher-in-the-shadows to a level of inferiority to yourself. Just an observation.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


intolerant of what? Having money stolen from me to subsidize others?

Thats the only part of your post that was true.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by EvolvedMinistry
 


intolerant of what? Having money stolen from me to subsidize others?

Thats the only part of your post that was true.


I think it's only fair to add a check box on the 1040 Tax Form

Are you a good person?

- Yes, I am a superior compassionate human being. Please increase my taxes owed amount an additional 60%

- No. Piss off. [No changes to taxes owed/refunded]

- Huh? [You must be on a government program of some sort. Receive 1,000 dollars in refund]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Man this is sad. Everyone is turning against each other. There will always be people that abuse the system. But do we not help each other because of a few bad apples? I haven't looked at the healthcare plan, but all this bitching is amazing.
When bill clinton and hilary were proposing the healthcare plan in the past there wasn't this much outrage. Now Obama does and people are freaking out.
So say we get rid of welfare and medicaid and then what? America would be a better place? Where would all that money go? Would it stay in the pockets of Americans or would it be used to pay for wars and black operations?
Now I haven't looked over or paid attention to the healthcare proposal, so I can't completely speak on it. But I do like that it is an issue because our healthcare system is bonkers.
For all those who oppose Government healthcare what would you propose instead?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 05:15 PM
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I propose something called responsiblity.

As in you take care of yourself and your own bills and not rely on others.

If you cant, well theres a nice bus stop bench somewhere with your name on it.

Life isnt fair. Some people get sick and cant afford it. It isnt the duty of other citizens to make sure you get well. Its your responsibility and yours alone.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by Teeky
 

I propose something called responsiblity.


Oh, I'm sure many of agree that responsibility is the right thing to agree upon.

I'm sure we also agree that those with the mentality to make babies wipe their own butt and change their own diapers do not have the mentality to be responsible enough to decide what is best for others.

People want a system where they share. You don't, so why stop them? You can opt out, and that would be the responsible choice for you.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by dzonatas]



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by Teeky
Man this is sad. Everyone is turning against each other. There will always be people that abuse the system. But do we not help each other because of a few bad apples? I haven't looked at the healthcare plan, but all this bitching is amazing.
When bill clinton and hilary were proposing the healthcare plan in the past there wasn't this much outrage. Now Obama does and people are freaking out.


The people who are very against these measures have not kept thier reasons a secret.


So i have to ask... how could you not know the answer to your question?



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by dzonatas

Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by Teeky
 

I propose something called responsiblity.


Oh, I'm sure many of agree that responsibility is the right thing to agree upon.

I'm sure we also agree that those with the mentality to make babies wipe their own butt and change their own diapers do not have the mentality to be responsible enough to decide what is best for others.

People want a system where they share. You don't, so why stop them? You can opt out, and that would be the responsible choice for you.

[edit on 17-8-2009 by dzonatas]


No one is stopping anyone from doing anything.

If people feel like a giant system of money redistribution is the solution, then they're free to setup whatever sort of organization to do so. They could contribute 10, 20 % of thier income to it .. i mean since they care so damn much. nothing is stopping them now

Where is the compassion for people now? Isn't it intolerable to let people suffer when you have the solution to it . You dont need the government.. this is America. All the caring people could form a big foundation and start helping now.

But they don't.

They're only compassionate with other people's money and labor and time and work and sweat and effort and sacrifice.... not their own.

They care.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by TheAftermath
reply to post by Teeky
 


I propose something called responsiblity.

As in you take care of yourself and your own bills and not rely on others.

If you cant, well theres a nice bus stop bench somewhere with your name on it.

Life isnt fair. Some people get sick and cant afford it. It isnt the duty of other citizens to make sure you get well. Its your responsibility and yours alone.




a sense of responsibility that goes no farther than one's skin is in the final analysis immoral.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by realshanti


a sense of responsibility that goes no farther than one's skin is in the final analysis immoral.


Your indifference to slavery is the real immorality.

Your manipulation of terms like moral is the real immorality.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974

Originally posted by realshanti


a sense of responsibility that goes no farther than one's skin is in the final analysis immoral.


Your indifference to slavery is the real immorality.

Your manipulation of terms like moral is the real immorality.


that makes no sense - I am not a slave - are you? Indifference? Concern for the suffering of others is the oppopsite of indifference....

manipulation? - I think not - read it again - maybe you will understand it this time....if you have no compassion for those who suffer or are less fortunate than yourself then the position you hold is immoral .... If you place political ideology inflexibly over the sanctity of human life then your talk of "slavery" and "indifference" is hollow rhetoric....

Who does the soldier in battle fight for ? The latest political rhetoric coming from the POTUS, or even the constitution ?- no - he fights for the life of the man standing next to him in battle -

And though we are not all soldiers yet still the principle applies ...we fight for the lives of others and access to life saving medical care is one of those fights..



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by DarkSecret

just imagine... if anyone could go to a doctor for a low co-pay like $10-$40 per visit as most private insurance plans currently offer - who would still use the ER as their primary care? since when "regular doctor visit with insurance would have been 500"?? whenever i check my explanation of benefits i never see a doc costing more than $150.


I agree, but so far the reform I have seen is just pumping more money into an already inflated system to get that 40 co-pay. At the cost of 30k more a year for me in taxes I would like a better system.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:22 PM
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So you are self made? You've never needed help? Be it financial, spiritual, or somebody to wipe your bum when you were a baby?

I think the fact that Americans do help each other is one of the reason why it is (or was) a great country. I won't name any names but there a quite a few 3rd world countries where it is every man for himself and they are waaaay worst off than we are.

I guess you hate worthless eaters like the janky elite, but everyone is not going to have it together in this world. Look at how the world is run, look at how billions are brainwashed, and look at the evil ones running the show. And yes maybe Obama's healthcare proposal probably sucks, but that doesn't mean that the idea of a national health care system should not exist. Hopefully new ideas on ways to make healthcare in America better will emrge.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:27 PM
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Honestly I've stopped watching the evening news because it's so fear based. But I'm guessing some Americans are against the healthcare proposal because they don't want to pay for others to have healthcare?

Whatever the reason, I think the naysayers are living in La La Land if they actually think things are going to get better if we don't figure out a better healthcare system. It doesn't have to be Obama's but it has to be something at least better than what we presently have.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:58 PM
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Originally posted by Teeky
reply to post by VinceP1974
 


Honestly I've stopped watching the evening news because it's so fear based. But I'm guessing some Americans are against the healthcare proposal because they don't want to pay for others to have healthcare?

Whatever the reason, I think the naysayers are living in La La Land if they actually think things are going to get better if we don't figure out a better healthcare system. It doesn't have to be Obama's but it has to be something at least better than what we presently have.


What do you think about Jim Demitt's bill in teh Senate?



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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When the government takes complete control of health care and there is is a shortage of funds, whose care do you think will get cut first? Probably the elderly and yours will be cut first.



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