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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:20 AM
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it has nothing to do with compassion...

we sent AMERICANS to free IRAQIS

next time you feel like bringing liberty to an oppresed people feel free to saddle up on your high freakin horse and gallop into the night...

well all be right behind you...


way lame post...




posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
reply to post by VinceP1974
 


it has nothing to do with compassion...

we sent AMERICANS to free IRAQIS

next time you feel like bringing liberty to an oppresed people feel free to saddle up on your high freakin horse and gallop into the night...

well all be right behind you...


way lame post...


Well we certainly couldn't send Democrats to do the job. Americans would have to do.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:24 AM
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My view is drug addict should be forced to pay for there medical and rehab.

That way they would be less likely to re-offend seeing how much it will cost them.

It these drug addicts that make it hard for someone that is in real pain to get the pain meds they need.

Oh by the way you can not get high on narcotics if you are in pain.
its only after the pain goes away that you can get addicted.

Needing narcotics to control severe pain is not addiction.

I know i was a EMT for over 30 years.

And i have been on both morphine and fontanel when i needed it and i never got addicted

[edit on 15-8-2009 by ANNED]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:25 AM
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The Iraq War prevented a Nuclear Iraq and a Nuclear Libya.


Just give one ounce of evidence...just one ounce...Ill be waiting, but I sure in the H wont be holding my breathe...

and if that were the case, why did we spend billions on permanent bases?

hundreds of billion that is? its called a presence...to dominate..to inflict fear...

for what you may ask??oil??yeah sure..
but more importantly to help spread globalism..

democratic capitalism?? yeah, whatever mis nomere your wat to label it...freakin gumball fascism for all i care ... its all the same as long the economic stability is controlled by its creditors..yeah...creditors..

nuclear weapons...


we must still be in the cold war..someone pinch me...



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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This thread is definitely NOT about the Iraq war people..



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
sorry. your full of it.

if it werent for medicare i wouldnt have my son or my daughter, my toe would have rotted off (practically cut it off not too long ago) and my wife may have died because she had an emergency c-section..


Medicare?? Elderly or disabled coverage? Or did you mean Medicaid, the "free" insurance for people on some sort of assistance?

Again, I bring up personal responsibility.

If you are going to have children, then you SAVE UP to afford them, including but not limited to the costs of delivery.

If you couldn't even have a job that allowed you to pay for insurance, then you really should not be creating new mouths to feed.

And it doesn't cost anything to keep it in your pants until you can afford to have a child.

Your toe almost being cut/rotting (why did it get that bad before you saw a doc?) off and your wife needing an emergency C-section would still have been treated at any hospital, you would simply have to work out a payment plan with the hospital, if you didn't have insurance, or even if your deductible was more than you had in savings to cover at the time.


you want to tell me im a leech..i served my country, paid my taxes and work full time..

full of it is just for starters...


Exactly who is full of it? Me, who planned, saved and prepared for both good and bad times, or you, who used programs paid for by others to finance your life?

Where's the personal responsibility???

It's the lack of personal responsibility mindset that is one definer of a leech. There are other definers, though.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:27 AM
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oh please.. like i'd even bother



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:32 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs

we sent AMERICANS to free IRAQIS


Dear lord ... did you just that out loud?

Maybe that's why the NG is mobilizing for the flu vaccine ... to "free" us.

If that's the kind of "free" healthcare you're referring to then yes, no, I don't want that.


[edit on 15 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by open_eyeballs

we sent AMERICANS to free IRAQIS


Dear lord ... did you just that out loud?

Maybe that's why the NG is mobilizing for the flu vaccine ... to "free" us.

If that's the kind of "free" healthcare you're referring to then yes, no, I don't want that.


Well we have an administration now that seems to be allergic to the notions of freedom and liberty, so i wouldn't view the new missions of the military in the same light as the past decade.

That being said... I do not fear our military and I do not believe that the Govt would be turn them against us, even if ordered to.

(of course i been wrong about a lot of things the past 15 years,, so this might be just yet another one of them)



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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If you are going to have children, then you SAVE UP to afford them, including but not limited to the costs of delivery.


That is utter lunacy. Save $20-$40,000 before I have children huh? How about in the military? How do you think they get health care? I got it for free paid by ..get this...taxes...just as all those that serve do, and many of them even get it when they are out..just as they should..... paid for by taxes...



If you couldn't even have a job that allowed you to pay for insurance, then you really should not be creating new mouths to feed.


more idiocy...having my own business and creating jobs for others but not being able to afford a health insurance without huge deductables measn I shouldnt have kids??...again, and I hate to be redundant. your full of it.



(why did it get that bad before you saw a doc?)


who said i waited?



Exactly who is full of it? Me,


yes. you. for judging others you do not know...



Where's the personal responsibility???


its in me getting up every day and working 8,10, 12, or 24 hours...its their everytime i pay my taxes..everytime i pay for something and the subsequent taxation that come with it...



It's the lack of personal responsibility mindset that is one definer of a leech. There are other definers, though.


then i assure you... you can throw yourself in that pot as well...theres not an ounce of your life that has not been touched by the government in some way...

i know you probably think i am some democrat cheerleading for healthcare...but you couldnt be farther from the truth...the only thing i say about it is it could be a good thing because it can keep the insurance companies in check...i believe that is the main goal, and hoepfully that is what it will accomplish...


i could care less about the partisan crap many like to spew here...



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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Where on earth have you people taken this thread? the Iraq war... come on now... this thread is about health care for americans and my own testimony as to how it saved my life. Yes I am a recovering drug addict. Yes it was started on pain meds, yes i have an addictive personality, yes i am 23 and yes I believe i know more about life then some of you in this thread that may be double my age. Come on now, every American deserves health insurance... please get rid of your not my tax dollar mentalities and realize your tax dollars bailed out the banks and the auto industry. So its ok for corporations to receive your taxes but not your fellow americans... I am disgusted by some of you...



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist... I am 23 years old and have been on Medicaid since I was 18 and taking off my parents insurance. This is not because I don't work or pay taxes but simply because I can not afford private insurance.

Now first off I am a recovering addict and without medicaid I would have died when I overdosed in 2004. Without Medicaid I would have been pushed off to a hospital that could not treat my Pulmonary Edema. My life was saved because of government run health care.

I for one believe that every American citizens deserves to be insured. To any of you that think our country will be ruined because of this needs to be human for one second and think about their fellows humans. We are not enemies. We are the same as you except we are not as well off. I work just like you do I pass taxes just like you and I would want the same health insurance for you....

[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]


Redhatty is right. I, too, pay for your care, regardless of how you got to where you are. Seems kinda funny though you make a small enough amount to qualify for medicaid. You may pay taxes, but I wonder how much of a refund you get at the end of the year. Should be all of it since you make such a small amount to qualify for medicaid. If you are getting a full refund, you are not paying taxes.

"Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist."

I am not a rich person by far, but why should I pay for another person's health care when I am struggling to survive as it is? Because I pay my way in the world and I can tell you this, most people I know are far from rich and are also struggling to pay their own way and it's not a matter of not wanting to pay for other's healthcare, its the way they are going about it. No one wants this load of poo shoved down their throats.

I am a single mom, and I have to pay for my daughters (8 yrs old)insurance myself. Thankfully it is not too expensive to insure a child only as it is 4 times the amount if I covered her under my insurance through work. Her dad is out of work and has been for almost a year now, and the unemployment is getting ready to run out, so as things are looking he's going to end up having to take a job that doesn't pay as much as the unemployment. I am having to work two jobs and I could not get her qualified for even reduced insurance. With me working 2 jobs and unemployment we are still just barely staying afloat. I lose my main job and we're screwed. Problem is, I make too much before taxes and deductions, which the state doesn't take into consideration, nor do they even think about basic living expenses such as gas, utilities and housing expenses. I have worked since I was 16, so has her father. We are 44 and 45 years old and have never asked for anything in the almost thirty years we've each been working and paying taxes. I didn't go down to social services to apply for foodstamps and all the other programs made available to everyone else, just some help in covering my daughters insurance. Maybe if we quit covering illegals under medicaid and foodstamps and all the rest on top of bailing out all these banks and crooked bankers (that unaccounted for money could very well help some of the jobless who have paid taxes for years instead bailing out a bunch of crooked ba$%ards) some of us American citizens could reap the benefits we have been paying for all these years.

And before anyone goes spouting off about not having kids you can't afford, we both had jobs at the time paying a good amount of money. However, since her dad lost his job, like many others, we have gone through savings and a portion of my retirement, we don't nor never have lived beyond our means. We have scrimped and saved and two of three cars are paid for and one has half the payment it did because it was paid ahead.

I also hope you understand that under the new healthcare plan, you overdosed and they probably would have not done alot for you and just written you off as someone who didn't want to live anyway and perhaps gone on, had you survived, and not paid for mental care for the same reasons, and the Pulminary Edema, well they could have said, oh well, this person has overdosed once before and doesn't receive any mental care, we'll just have to write a prescription and wait it out. It would have saved them money. Not trying to be cruel, it's a reality check.

So, before you go spouting off about the fact that you pay taxes and the world of medicaid is so great, lets see a tax return, because I'm guessing you DON'T pay taxes when it's all said and done. And here's another newsflash for ya. You may be getting your medical care for free - see you don't even pay on a sliding scale based on income - yes free, you are also losing your freedoms with this current government administration and health care reform bs, in the end, when all is said and done - it is NOT FREE.

[edit on 8/15/09 by opal13]

[edit on 8/15/09 by opal13]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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That being said... I do not fear our military and I do not believe that the Govt would be turn them against us, even if ordered to.


absolutely...there is nothing to fear from our military...

there would be no order to even though they are the socialist democrats...


we need a libertarian president..

and yes i am fully aware libertarians are against such a healthcare plan...again, never said i was for it...im just not keen on letting generalization remarks go...and I agree America has lost its way in its pursuit of liberty and freedom for many years now. A plan to help the poor have some sort of healthcare while cutting pork and wasteful spending in other areas could be a helpful thing..of course it depends on the finalized version of such a bill... at least let it be heard..enough with the "it came from the left so it must mean death for all of us"

its always the partisan rhetoric that gets to me...

[edit on 15-8-2009 by open_eyeballs]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 04:57 AM
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I am so proud of you for caring for your family. I support myself and will take free health insurance if I can get it... I live on my own and struggle to makes ends meet. I do not feel bad for who I am nor will I.. by the way I live in new york state. i sure as hell pay taxes...

[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by open_eyeballs
That is utter lunacy. Save $20-$40,000 before I have children huh?


The average cost for delivery is $6250, not $20-40K. Average cost for prenatal care is under $2K

False argument.


How about in the military? How do you think they get health care? I got it for free paid by ..get this...taxes...just as all those that serve do, and many of them even get it when they are out..just as they should..... paid for by taxes...


Most people in the service are cared for by other service members, this reduces the cost of care for the military. The average enlisted person ends up working for less than minimum wage for the entire length of their enlistment contract.

Not to mention that if necessary, those same military people will put their lives on the line to defend your freedoms.

Yes taxes do pay for the military, but that IS PRESCRIBED in our Constitution. Health care is NOT.


more idiocy...having my own business and creating jobs for others but not being able to afford a health insurance without huge deductables measn I shouldnt have kids??...again, and I hate to be redundant. your full of it.


There is NO WAY you were owning your own business and employing people AND receiving Medicaid at the same time.

False argument

The ONLY health insurance plans with "huge" deductibles are major medical plans, the ones that cover catastrophes. Childbirth is not a catastrophe and is something that should be planned for and saved up for. It's part of the definition of being a responsible parent.


who said i waited?


Toes don't "almost rot off" within a few minutes to hours of an injury, so YOU YOURSELF in effect said you waited.

Again I ask: Exactly who is full of it?



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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:05 AM
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That is utter lunacy. Save $20-$40,000 before I have children huh? How about in the military? How do you think they get health care? I got it for free paid by ..get this...taxes...just as all those that serve do, and many of them even get it when they are out..just as they should..... paid for by taxes...


You could have insurance prior to getting pregnant... just a thought. And I don't mind it at all to ensure our armed forces have the best health coverage possible.. it's the least we can do for what we expect of them, and the pathetic wages we pay them.



more idiocy...having my own business and creating jobs for others but not being able to afford a health insurance without huge deductables measn I shouldnt have kids??...again, and I hate to be redundant. your full of it.


Deductibles are usually a few hundred dollars .. from $250-$1000 depending on how much monthly you want to pay. I would imagine paying a few hundred a month for good insurance with say a $500 deductible is much better than paying $20,000 for an entire delivery.. (which is so over exaggerated.. ) of course.. it's better if everyone else pays for you right? If you don't have the intelligence to manage your own finances, hmm.. perhaps you shouldn't be breeding after all.

I mean..

If I am going to support the taxes to pay to bring your spawns into this world, I think I deserve the right to dictate whether or not you can breed or not.

iamjesusphish


yes i am 23 and yes I believe i know more about life then some of you in this thread that may be double my age.


I am 23 as well. Age does not dictate wisdom nor does it dictate intelligence. It certainly doesn't dictate your personal sense of responsibility.



Come on now, every American deserves health insurance... please get rid of your not my tax dollar mentalities and realize your tax dollars bailed out the banks and the auto industry.


Which makes me mad as hell.. we bailed out the banks, we bailed out the auto industry, we bailed out all the special interest, and now we get to bailout, once again, the vagabonds who decided it's far better to spend your money on creature comforts than it is to spend it in on taking care of your self and your families, while expecting others to care for them. IMO, all those that want "free" health care can go into the same category as the bankers, the industrialist, the globalist and the degenerates that already leach the system.



I am disgusted by some of you...


The feeling is mutual.

Edits to fix spelling errors..

[edit on 8/15/2009 by Rockpuck]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:08 AM
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I respect you for some reason. I am glad we mutually disgusts each other. gotta love be American!



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:11 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Welll....... for one...

I am glad our tax dollars saved a drug addict. It's nice to meet you.

Insurance for someone 'bout 23 is $80 a month for private, if you live in a liberal state, maybe $100-150 ..

Of course this is assuming you don't have a history of say .... drug abuse...

You're angry because past irresponsibility makes insurance more expensive for you. I personally couldn't care less.

Health care "Reform" needs to occur, to better regulate insurance companies. I agree. What we don't need is a system to give free health care to a certain class of citizens, and super expensive to another. Yes, you may get your health care for free, but the increase in my taxes is far larger than the increases in my premiums. Why should I have to pay for the likes of you?


Please give me the name of the company offering single health insurance for $80 a month. I dare you! The lowest I have ever found it was $200 a month. While I am against this healthcare policy, I do think some of the things in it are acceptable. How cruel you people are. Most people making minimum wage has at best, 800 a month after taxes. Most places are $500 a month rent. Electric is about $50-$100 a month. Travel to work about 50-200 a month. Groceries about $200 a month. Now one of you please tell me how in the hell someone can afford to pay $200 a month for insurance or even $80 a month. And I guarantee you will pay a higher fee for them when they have to go to ER for care and not doctors office. It will be passed on to you through higher premiums. The problem with the health care bill they have now is that it is overburdened with useless provisions like having someone come to your home and tell you how to care for your children.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:11 AM
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I find you ironic. You post in your signature the comments of the greatest American to ever live.. he dedicated his life to limiting the powers of government, and you preach the ideologies he would most venomously be against while parroting his words at the same time. It's ironic, in that, his biggest belief being self determination, and yours being someone needs to take care of you.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 05:13 AM
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The average cost for delivery is $6250


Not for a c-section there guy...

"false argument"



Most people in the service are cared for by other service members


What in the hell are you talking about?? You havent a clue.. even service member familiesa re fully covered... cared for by other service members??that doesn tmake a lick of sense...



Not to mention that if necessary, those same military people will put their lives on the line to defend your freedoms.


why are you tryying to argue this with me? I said they should recieve it..just as they should recieve it when they get out if they have an extanuating injury..

ur arguing for no reason now... you agreed with me without even knowing it... i know its late...but wake up!!




Health care is NOT.


i agree..reread my post. I think it could offer an alternative...one that can compete with other insurers to help keep premiums down



There is NO WAY you were owning your own business and employing people AND receiving Medicaid at the same time.

Now, you are putting words in my mouth..nowhere did my post say that...

i recieve medicaid now...i havent owned my business for almost 2 years...it helped us big time when we could not afford any alternative...



Toes don't "almost rot off" within a few minutes to hours of an injury, so YOU YOURSELF in effect said you waited.


i went to the emergency room and medicaid paid the bill later...pretty simple...really...its not difficult






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