I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

All these pages, and the OP is gone. I couldnt blame him. It seems the small group of serpents are still here.

You know after reading through the posts here, its pretty sad that people outside of America come and post that we as a country dont take care of each other. Way to go guys, way to show the world how much you LOVE your fellow beings. If there were any non earth beings watching this country, I can see why they wouldnt want to save anyone here. You are worse than dogs ganging up on a wounded animal.

I just hope the OP can understand there are a few of us karmic beings left that actually care for him as another human. I sure hope none of you get into an accident and are begging one of your own kind for help....

reply to post by redhatty


You comment back to that person being addicted to PainKillers like you know what its like to be in pain? You know the daily tortures it can do to your body like being stuck in a toruture chamber and someone is slicing up your insides and outsides on a second to second basis? Unless you truly know what its like to be in pain, then you only can have your subjective opinion on a best guess basis. I'm not talking pain from a broken bone or toothache either.. this is severe, unrelenting pain like someone taking a knife and cutting out your nerves and placing a tuning fork up against them..

I bring this up b/c I know pain... I live with the most painful human condition known to medical science.. (check the Mcgill Pain Index - Causalgia is at the top !! higher than someone getting an amuptated limb with OUT aneshesia!! www.rsdhope.org...)
But that is subjective and I will be the first to say others who have arthritis or back pain can have it just as bad.. But I still know pain.. its Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy and those painkillers that i took were lifesavers.. not b/c i got high, nor were they pollutants.. but it was a short term fix indeed b/c when the "Human Body" is in pain, your body releases stress chemicals that do more damage to the body than the medications alone (as my Doctors have said - and I belive it).. but for me it turned out to be better to come off them than to stay on them.. but everyone is different!! but the few years I was on them, I got my life back together, and went back to work.. I still live in Pain everyday but manage to get by.

So I know pain and you to easily draw the line before distinction and need.. You just automatically think that someone who takes medications is polluting their body.. I halfheartedly agree.. but those are your opinions not to be used on someone else who disagrees. b/c some of these medications are life changing for the better.. you to easily assume you know the world b/c of your insightful opinions, but you don't and neither do I.. you need to sit back a little more often before you jump to your own misconstrued conclusions.

Basically, we agree on what these medications can do and how harmful they can be. However, you just need to be more open and attentive to those in your world.

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hang in there kiddo !! Don't even listen to these negative comments in spite of what you said in your thread! You are NOT a leech, nor does this person who basically says "Suck it up and find a healthier alternative than taking painkillers" have any clue what its like to be in pain.. In fact, it angers me how ignorant of a comment that is. Someone who says "suck it up" has never been in torterous unrelenting pain.. I know pain and for me painkillers saved my life as did Medicaid and Medicare.. and it wasn't bad choices either!!!
Oh the saddness of those who think they know all is an "enigma, shrouded in mystery, wrapped in a conundrum" - I just don't see how you made any bad choices? You were in pain and you are right, ppl have a right to feel better.. its a basic human right! and just b/c you got addicted means nothing.. all it means is you need treatment.. as do I !! i commend your self awareness and more over your self worth!

Keep it up and you'll go far as you have already encountered and overcome the worse - and that is others who are addicted to ignorance!

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

I have plenty of compassion for my fellow man, I have no compassion for people who play the "poor, poor, pitiful me" routine.

And I have no stomach for leeches who fight to defend their leech activity.

It IS a cruel world, sounds like you need to tough up.

Dude I was int he Miltiray fro 10 yrs and guess what I got GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTCARE THAT YOU THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR!

All the members of the miliraty that get sick/injured guess who pays the medical bills?

I don't like leaches either but I do show compassion

The bigger issues here ist hat we jsut tlak about health care after the fact--

HOW ABOUT SOME PREVENTIVE Lifestyle education/MEDICINE

You dont want to be unhealthy take care of your body eat right, exercise,
dont do to much in excess (IN ANYTHING)

instead its prescription drugs and other expesive treatments. Lets teach people how to take care of their bodies.

Hey thanks for positive comments that have been showing up the negativity in this thread made me say screw it but I check in from time to time and like what I am starting to see... pain is horrible... so is being uninsured...

Its amazing how jaded some people are, they'd rather have money taken by force to be used to kill foreign people, than to have it used to help our people. Its shocking how overwhelmingly supportive of the iraq and afganistan invasion people who oppose the healthcare are, open your eyes people.

It really says something about you if you can look in the mirror and say honestly:

"My own countrymen are lazy so I refuse to be part of something that helps them but I'm entirely for an occupation of a foreign nation that is getting tens of thousands of iraqies killed and thousands of our own young men and women. Thats the kind of person I am, I'm a good American."

If thats you, theres no saving you, your already too far gone to be part of America's future and I just hope you don't live long enough to do more damage than we can fix before that kind of arogance gets us attacked again.

reply to post by iamjesusphish


Find another job yet so that you can afford your own insurance?

Do you have a cell phone?

Cable?

Car?

It's Sunday, check the classifieds.

Originally posted by TheTimeIsNow
Dude I was int he Military fro 10 yrs and guess what I got GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE THAT YOU THE TAX PAYERS PAY FOR!

All the members of the military that get sick/injured guess who pays the medical bills?

First off, Thank You for your Service.

To compare someone in the military to someone on Medicaid is comparing apples and oranges. The person in the military GAVE much to our Country in exchange for that health care, what had the person on Medicaid given? Yes they are both government run health care programs but that's about the only thing they have in common.

Personally, I think people who receive Medicaid and who are physically able, should be made to perform community service equal to the amount Medicaid paid. They are plenty of able Americans on Medicaid who could do this, but then I guess I wouldn't be compassionate enough.

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

Oh no, far from ignorant. I have seen many a people who are addicted to pharma drugs. It is still a CHOICE you made.

Just because a pain killer is prescribed does NOT MEAN you HAVE to take it. There are ways to learn to deal with pain that can reduce the amount of drugs you need to manage it, but again, that too is a CHOICE.

Just because you CHOOSE to breath doesn't mean you have to.

You want people to pay for prescription, and anti-socialist want you to pay for the air you breath.

You want it... pay for it.

Where do you think that money comes from? Where do you think who originally creates that money? It is being created by the same people who, under a socialist healthcare reform, that administer the money needed to work your healthcare.

You're mistaken to think it comes from your entirely from your tax money. If you want to continue to think that way, I know people that'll tax you for the air, water, food, your eat an breath. I know people that'll love to charge you by the heart beat. Those anti-social peolpe claim it's not your heart, anyways.

Something to consider.

Originally posted by pavil
To compare someone in the military to someone on Medicaid is comparing apples and oranges. The person in the military GAVE much to our Country in exchange for that health care, what had the person on Medicaid given? Yes they are both government run health care programs but that's about the only thing they have in common.

Personally, I think people who receive Medicaid and who are physically able, should be made to perform community service equal to the amount Medicaid paid. They are plenty of able Americans on Medicaid who could do this, but then I guess I wouldn't be compassionate enough.

The problem with that train of though is to think that the only way to GIVE in such a way is to be in the military. There are other means of service. Sure community service is one way to do such, but you say "made to perform" and that is slavery, so anotherwords you justified slavery in return for health care, and that is not socialism but it is more like communism.

First off, you have to consider what I noted above about being anti-social. There are many ways to give, and just because there are people that want to limit what people can do in order to give -- it is these limitors, those people that limit what can be given, that are anti-social. People don't want to live in slavery.

Bottom line to it all is Earth's resources. Back to the comment about the air you breath. Anti-socialist want to own that air you breath.

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You talk about the rich like they are selfish .... I think You need to take one hard look into the mirror buddy. A lot of the so called rich that You hate so much are loosing their houses and You want to tax them more. I think You need to get Your head out of Your own posterior and realize that YOU are YOUR #1 ENEMY.

I didn't force You to do drugs now did I? I didn't force You to OD on drugs. Now You try and act like You have the moral high ground when You are the one taking food out of my childs mouth.


You also act like WE ARE ALL ALIKE which I will argue against. I worked 12 to 18 hour shifts for 9 months out of country last year at 2 months at a time. People like You come offshore all the time and after 2 weeks they drag up.
What do You work a measly 30 to 40 hours a week? Some of us actually give 120% in our jobs because We have no other choice due to bills and family...


Now I got people like You coming through the wood works acting like You have the right to my pay check because I am supposedly rich. The last time I checked I was the one that lived in a crap hole for 9 months a year so people like You could drive on the roads that I pay for. I have only witnessed my child grow 1.5 years out of the last 5 years and because of people like You I might be lucky to see 3 years out of 10...

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Strictsum

 

They are using people like you to categorize everyone who is against this bill as greedy Americans.

Not a single person here has said that the reason they don't support it is chiefly they are concerned about the money.

Though the financial aspect is very important.

Chief point thus far: Federal Government. Nuff said.

The chief point IS the Federal Government. You'll get no argument from me there.

The problem is bringing up having to pay for the poor in the first place. Once that is brought into the equation, nothing you say after that will be heard legitimately by someone wrapped up in the class warfare game.

You will be seen as greedy from the start and never be able to break that mold. No matter how rational your other ideas are you will be seen as trying to rationalize your greed.

I am in no way saying you are greedy, I'm just trying to show you the impression it gives off. You can have 1000 legitimate concerns but will be lumped into a category because of 1 statement.

It's best to never give that impression in the first place. Some people have preconceived notions of the type of people who are against health care reform. A statement about not wanting to pay for less fortunate people automatically triggers that notion and you are never anything else to them.


I'm telling you the best way to argue this is to never bring up anything that has to do with class. It will not help you in making your case and it's a case that has to be made.

Successfully

[edit on 16-8-2009 by Strictsum]

Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish

 

So, YOUR BAD CHOICES have been subsidized by my taxes.

You CHOSE to do drugs, and this caused health problems, but MY TAXES are paying for your rehab and your medical treatment.

Of course you want to keep your free health care going, Me and the rest of the american tax-payers are paying your bills!!!!!

America really has become a nation of leeches, your post is just another example of that.

This statement is a prime example of rampant stupidity. The rich is the disease, and I've got a 40 caliber pistol for the cure. Your greed is sinking this country...but, I guess you weren't aware that we are in a deep recession because capitalism is failing. Its absolutely hilarious to watch the wealthy run around and declare bankruptcy (another one of those things that AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY OFF) because their tastes no longer are supported by the weakened economy. So, while the rich dump off their inability to pay off debts, the middle class are taxed double for what the wealthy can no longer pay. (sounds like a leech to me.)

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by St Vaast

 

It's a unicorn defecating skittles...

Well, to all of you who begrudge a tiny fraction of your tiny or non existant tax dollars being used to provide health care for other Americans

TOUGH

don't like it .. move.

So ... what you're saying is.. you want the Middle Class to pay up, or get out?

How very American of you?

Yeah that idiot doesn't realize that if the middle class up in left no one would pay for all these freebies....

I have seriously thought about it lately and the best part is my job is on the water so I can move over seas with my family.. But Why would I want to leave my COUNTRY these liberal pukes need to leave because apparently the last time I read the history books the revolution started over paying taxes. I guess liberals assume the revolution started because the king didn't give free medical or something.

Originally posted by 11b1p

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
reply to post by redhatty

 

You have no idea and prove your ignorance... I got hooked via pharmaceutical prescriptions... I love how your ignorance shines through. You are the problem in this country... did you miss the part that said I am a tax paying citizen?



[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]

so you pay taxes...so how are you on medicaid, either you have a mental problem, or you are on welfare. i am in the medical field, anesthesia to be exact, and tax paying citizens with regular jobs do not qualify for medicaid/medicare. you got hooked on pharms, nice to see my tax dollars at work becitsause you have no self control. im glad that government healthcare was able save you, now how about you pay it forward, and get a better job, and get off government run healthcare, that way you can other people like you used to be.sorry if this post offends you, you have no idea how much medicare/medicaid frustrates us.

Interesting...you claim to be an anesthesiologist. Did you know that nurses and anesthesiologists are proven to be more prone to drug abuse than the average citizen? As a matter of fact, the percentages of drug abuse amongst the medical community is quite rampant. Since you get your drugs for free, it makes sense that you deplore those who actually have to pay and get hooked. Whereas, you can stay hooked 24/7 because your supply never runs out. All you guys have to do is go in the back room, shoot up, and then give the average citizen under average health care. And, what's that about health reform??? Oh yeah, your paycheck may take a dive since you can't charge a 300% hiked up fee since the government health care plan may interfere, or give you a little COMPETITION. So, it makes a bit of sense that you may have problems with reform. By the way, reform also means that the government will be regulating the amount of medication that you anesthesiologists are typically known to steal.

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
This statement is a prime example of rampant stupidity. The rich is the disease, and I've got a 40 caliber pistol for the cure. Your greed is sinking this country...but, I guess you weren't aware that we are in a deep recession because capitalism is failing. Its absolutely hilarious to watch the wealthy run around and declare bankruptcy (another one of those things that AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY OFF) because their tastes no longer are supported by the weakened economy. So, while the rich dump off their inability to pay off debts, the middle class are taxed double for what the wealthy can no longer pay. (sounds like a leech to me.)

That comment so so uneducated and uniformed I don't even know where to start.

Taxpayers do not pay for anyone's bills in a bankruptcy, the debts are discharged, go away.

Wealthy people rarely file bankruptcy. Though big corporations who cook the books and lie about how over leveraged they are do, often lately.

If you really think that using taxpayer money to both create and then treat drug addiction is a good thing, then please, take YOUR hard earned money & go find some doper and enable them, buy their drugs for them for a couple of years, then pay for their treatment to get off them too.

Rampant stupidity in this country comes from the people who think that we can afford to provide for everyone, even the people who BY THEIR OWN CHOICE refuse to be productive members of society.

Rampant stupidity is saying, YOU (whoever you are talking to) need to give your money to the GOVERNMENT so they GOVERNMENT can take care of us all.

You want people to have health care? Good, DONATE YOUR OWN MONEY and TIME to a local low-cost clinic in your area.

Pay for your neighbor's insulin and testing supplies at least once a year.

Buy the low-income girls in your area birth control pills

Go buy the single mom around the corner's baby formula for the month

Work a day a week with Homes for Humanity or the local food bank

After you do these things, THEN MAYBE you have the right to demand something of the rest of us who work for a living.

But still the difference would be, if you did any of the things listed above, it was YOUR CHOICE to do them.

Not the government FORCING you to do them.

You want change? BE THE CHANGE.

You want to have tribal and village type support systems, then create them in your own neighborhoods and cities and counties.

Make the change locally where you can watch over the organizations that provide the help for others and make sure they aren't mis allocating funds or wasting the money to help others on unnecessary things.

Quit expecting the Federal Government to be your NANNY because you won't bother to get off your own ass and go out and help someone yourself, but you have no problem asking every other american to pay for someone else to help others for you.

Put your money and your time where your mouth is.

Maybe if more people did that we would realize that we don't need the government to do it for us.

Originally posted by suicydking

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by suicydking
when we try to provide a health insurance option to the poor people of this country, it gets called fascism or socialism.

Under Obamacare, that's what it is.

As I have said many times ... I don't mind voluntarily helping those who have cancer, or those who have asthma, or those who find themselves temporarily in a difficult position, etc etc. We DO help as best we can through private charities. However, i have a BIG problem with throwing money into a gov't entity who in turn is supposedly helping people on the other end (I doubt it gets there) ... AND ... considering the massive numbers of people who milk the system for a free ride, I REALLY don't want my $$ going in that direction.

People have made welfare and foodstamps and free medical care a way of life instead of a temporary situation. I understand that for some it is necessary. But a hell of a lot of people screw us with this system ...

So what it fundamentally comes down to is a question of:

1 - Providing health care to everyone who needs it, while some are going to abuse the system

or

2 - Ignoring those who are unfortunate enough to not have health insurance so we don't spend any more money.

Money vs Caring for our lowest class of citizens.


Let me ask you something. Are there corporations who abuse our defense budget? Are there deals made with the specific intention of milking that chunk of our deficit (which is largely unreported) that do not benefit us as a nation? Why are so many people against something that will help millions of people, but are curiously silent when it comes to the real cash drain on our country? You could provide health insurance to the entire nation for a fraction of what we hand out to contractors every year.

I could not have stated this any better. Excellently done!!!

Originally posted by redhatty

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
This statement is a prime example of rampant stupidity. The rich is the disease, and I've got a 40 caliber pistol for the cure. Your greed is sinking this country...but, I guess you weren't aware that we are in a deep recession because capitalism is failing. Its absolutely hilarious to watch the wealthy run around and declare bankruptcy (another one of those things that AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY OFF) because their tastes no longer are supported by the weakened economy. So, while the rich dump off their inability to pay off debts, the middle class are taxed double for what the wealthy can no longer pay. (sounds like a leech to me.)

That comment so so uneducated and uniformed I don't even know where to start.

Taxpayers do not pay for anyone's bills in a bankruptcy, the debts are discharged, go away.

Wealthy people rarely file bankruptcy. Though big corporations who cook the books and lie about how over leveraged they are do, often lately.

If you really think that using taxpayer money to both create and then treat drug addiction is a good thing, then please, take YOUR hard earned money & go find some doper and enable them, buy their drugs for them for a couple of years, then pay for their treatment to get off them too.

Rampant stupidity in this country comes from the people who think that we can afford to provide for everyone, even the people who BY THEIR OWN CHOICE refuse to be productive members of society.

Rampant stupidity is saying, YOU (whoever you are talking to) need to give your money to the GOVERNMENT so they GOVERNMENT can take care of us all.

You want people to have health care? Good, DONATE YOUR OWN MONEY and TIME to a local low-cost clinic in your area.

Pay for your neighbor's insulin and testing supplies at least once a year.

Buy the low-income girls in your area birth control pills

Go buy the single mom around the corner's baby formula for the month

Work a day a week with Homes for Humanity or the local food bank

After you do these things, THEN MAYBE you have the right to demand something of the rest of us who work for a living.

But still the difference would be, if you did any of the things listed above, it was YOUR CHOICE to do them.

Not the government FORCING you to do them.

You want change? BE THE CHANGE.

You want to have tribal and village type support systems, then create them in your own neighborhoods and cities and counties.

Make the change locally where you can watch over the organizations that provide the help for others and make sure they aren't mis allocating funds or wasting the money to help others on unnecessary things.

Quit expecting the Federal Government to be your NANNY because you won't bother to get off your own ass and go out and help someone yourself, but you have no problem asking every other american to pay for someone else to help others for you.

Put your money and your time where your mouth is.

Maybe if more people did that we would realize that we don't need the government to do it for us.

Nice try with a failed attempt at reason and logic. Its not your best suit. I think you should stick to being a stuck up snob because its evident you didn't graduate from MIT. Just another trust fund baby who slept through ethics class.

Secondly...I'm a real taxpayer, MOMMY and DADDY didn't buy my way through life and I have my own insurance. So, when you're throwing out massive statements like "PEOPLE LIKE YOU," it only informs me that you need a bigger mirror to look at.

Some of US defended this country. Some of US train others so that they can continue to defend YOUR way of life. Some of US make sure that you get your food on time when your bitchin' about the poor being the drain on the economy. Speaking of which, some of US are tired when the wealthy can no longer hold up their end of the bargain and declare bankruptcy to avoid prosecution, collections by the IRS, and any millions of other types of white collar fraud that continually gets perpetrated. And just so you know, I'm highly educated, highly trained, and just about pissed at the functioning of this country to protect the rich. Without your money...you're nothing but flesh and blood who still has to sit down to take a crap.

The only difference between me and you is this...when the economy breaks, I'll still be breathing. You'll be jumping out of your second story bungalow after your cappuccino.

Originally posted by redhatty

Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
This statement is a prime example of rampant stupidity. The rich is the disease, and I've got a 40 caliber pistol for the cure. Your greed is sinking this country...but, I guess you weren't aware that we are in a deep recession because capitalism is failing. Its absolutely hilarious to watch the wealthy run around and declare bankruptcy (another one of those things that AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS HAVE TO PAY OFF) because their tastes no longer are supported by the weakened economy. So, while the rich dump off their inability to pay off debts, the middle class are taxed double for what the wealthy can no longer pay. (sounds like a leech to me.)

That comment so so uneducated and uniformed I don't even know where to start.

Taxpayers do not pay for anyone's bills in a bankruptcy, the debts are discharged, go away.

Wealthy people rarely file bankruptcy. Though big corporations who cook the books and lie about how over leveraged they are do, often lately.

If you really think that using taxpayer money to both create and then treat drug addiction is a good thing, then please, take YOUR hard earned money & go find some doper and enable them, buy their drugs for them for a couple of years, then pay for their treatment to get off them too.

Rampant stupidity in this country comes from the people who think that we can afford to provide for everyone, even the people who BY THEIR OWN CHOICE refuse to be productive members of society.

Rampant stupidity is saying, YOU (whoever you are talking to) need to give your money to the GOVERNMENT so they GOVERNMENT can take care of us all.

You want people to have health care? Good, DONATE YOUR OWN MONEY and TIME to a local low-cost clinic in your area.

Pay for your neighbor's insulin and testing supplies at least once a year.

Buy the low-income girls in your area birth control pills

Go buy the single mom around the corner's baby formula for the month

Work a day a week with Homes for Humanity or the local food bank

After you do these things, THEN MAYBE you have the right to demand something of the rest of us who work for a living.

But still the difference would be, if you did any of the things listed above, it was YOUR CHOICE to do them.

Not the government FORCING you to do them.

You want change? BE THE CHANGE.

You want to have tribal and village type support systems, then create them in your own neighborhoods and cities and counties.

Make the change locally where you can watch over the organizations that provide the help for others and make sure they aren't mis allocating funds or wasting the money to help others on unnecessary things.

Quit expecting the Federal Government to be your NANNY because you won't bother to get off your own ass and go out and help someone yourself, but you have no problem asking every other american to pay for someone else to help others for you.

Put your money and your time where your mouth is.

Maybe if more people did that we would realize that we don't need the government to do it for us.

Hmmm...this is just the type of idiocy that makes America run in the red zone. No wonder the mortgage industry went out of control.

When you file bankruptcy, the money doesn't just go away. WOW!!! No wonder our economy is in the dump. SOMEONE HAS TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE. The debt is erased from the person who owed...BUT, who covers the cost of the interest and the debt itself??? GEE...NEWSFLASH FOR YA, the reason why we are in the situation that we are in is because many people were not fulfilling their obligations within the financial community. Or do we need to go back to economics 101???

I suggest you get refreshed on the functioning of the economy, because right now, you're not worthy of a response. And by the way...your THEORY to an approach on economics is the same approach that those in charge took who destroyed our economy. I think we've all seen the results of that.

NUFF said. Go home and learn something.

reply to post by EvolvedMinistry


well you made it blatantly obvious that you haven't read this thread at all, just the first and last pages apparently.

I too am a VET, you don't hold a specialty in defending this country.

I am also highly aware of economics, and if you visit the over 400 pages of the Market Data thread here, you would see that.

Bu go ahead, and put down others who call out the leeches where they exist, who knows maybe you are one of them too, despite your prior service.

I did notice, that you sure didn't get off your computer to start making phone calls to see where you could help your neighbor, rather than have the Nanny Government do it for you.

Guess those 9 hours I put in today to help Homes for Humanity actually do make me a better person than YOU think I am.

[edit on 8/16/09 by redhatty]

So just what is rich anyways?

Is 70k rich or 100k or 150k?

When I look at my income many would say hey he might not be rich but doing well and so he can afford and extra 25% tax, but I think many who say this would superimpose their lifestyle over mine. Right now I pay about 30k in taxes and my house cost me 35k in mortgage, my cars are 16k per year and I save about 30k per year since one day I will not be working and so I will need something to live on, also 15k per year for my kids future tuitions, and add 3k per month for everything else, and this puts some basic living costs well over the 150k range for me.

Now I know many of you would say, hey you can get a smaller house and a couple of older cars and your kids don’t need to go to school, and oh you got social security…etc and I can understand what they mean, but trying to provide the best for me and my family really doesn’t fit within their standard of living view.

So where does this all take me… with let’s say another 25% tax I would pay additional 30k plus per year and so I would then need to get a small house, or less savings…most likely, or other places I would need to cut. This would put my “live in America cost” at 60k plus per year, and so is this really fair?


[edit on 16-8-2009 by Xtrozero]