I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by Rockpuck

 

Simply commenting on those who are visibly digging for any excuse to hate the man. *shrugs* Don't blame me for seeing it. And neither did I say you were one of them bucko.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Simply disgusting. You resort to the race card.. unbelievable..

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
What utter crap!

That was pathetic. You cannot provide proof because I want to prove it and you are injured????

*falls on his back laughing so hard* Gee you allow yourself WIDE excuse yet others none. How hypocritical of you. And neither do you know anything about me.

Oh boy...here we go again... There has actually proof been shown in here time and again... I was just showing that you are too lazy to actually read what has been posted...

Now, if you shut your trap, or in this case your fingers for a few minutes I will find those links for you since you are too lazy to do so yourself...

[edit on 15-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

********** KNOCK IT OFF *************

Either discuss this in a civil manner or receive a 3 day posting ban.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


well, this news came out today Finance Committee to drop end of life provision

Maybe The Aftermath had not seen that yet, but it definitely WAS in the legislation until this decision came out today.

Here's another article www.bloomberg.com...

and another www.wnyc.org...

reply to post by Rockpuck


as far as discount plans, with teh recent revamping of the V.A. I may not get health insurance through them as it is not service related, but our local community hospital has a discount health plan which is next on my list if turned down by the V.A.. Their plan is based on past years income and has a sliding scale for co-pays and precriptions. It sucks, but is better than the plan I currently have=no health plan.

Most larger cities community hospitals offer something like this, you just have to jump through hoops to get it, and usually is not free. Atleast it is offered though.

reply to post by zerbot565


Yes, but how many brain surgeons do you know of that will work for free? I know every surgeon at my hospital, I also know that they never would take an oath to do no harm if it meant that they couldn't be paid for doing so.

Edit: To add here...

I am not attempting to imply that money is a good thing. I hate monetary units, in general. But in 100,000 years of human history it has been the preferred means of exchange. It has had many forms, Gold, Silver, Feathers, Shells, Stamped wood, Iron, and now, Paper. If we do not allow for a free market means of exchange we are left with few options. Services provided by contract( money), or services provided at the barrel of a gun(government). Choose wisely.....

[edit on 15-8-2009 by aravoth]

its been ten minutes and i havent gotten flamed? is ats become a friendly place over night???

Here is one video interview with president Obama, and his awnsers to questions posed by an elderly American, and what president Obama said.

www.youtube.com...

More to come.

reply to post by Pappa_Bear


The State and Local plans are always incomplete.. (just another reason I fear the Gov taking over health care in general)..

Then problems associated with health care in general involve so many aspects of the economy even if the Feds truly intended to help us (which I don't think is the case) .. they would need to address MANY issues across the economy..

For instance inflation is negative as of right now, yet health care's annual inflation rate is 10-20% ..

Some people are wondering "how" or "why" the cost has just outpaced the growth of the economy in such a short amount of time.. bringing economics into the picture if you look at wage growth (1-2% annually, not even that in these times) vs. inflation (declining Dollar) it doesn't take a genius to see that this has a huge part of health care costs. Then considering WHO pays most of the health bills? Insurance companies. What do insurance companies do? They are basically giant hedge funds.. speculators in equity markets. Their income, minus premiums and just from investment alone .. following the growth of the markets is 1000x higher than wage growth of consumers. It's like a poor person and a mega rich person fighting over the same thing at the store. Who can offer the most money? Who wins? If the hospital negotiates payment for a procedure and it's obscenely expensive average joe won't take it.. the insurance company grudgingly will ... because they can.. and pass the expense onto premiums.

Nothing.. not a single thing is being done to solve these problems.

In fact, I contend the government will exasperate the problem by funneling hundreds of billions into banking institutions and insurance companies (CDS obligation which brought down the biggest banks.. sold by the largest insurance corporations...) this will inflate the revenue of the financial institutions (which are often tied to the insurance business) and ultimately lead to higher purchasing power.

If the insurance corps were cash strapped the negotiations for pricing would be lowered.. because the Feds insured the corporations will never be cash strapped and the belief that they funneling money into health care increases health care job growth .. raising pricing is seen as a good thing.

Do the people see the tangled web of idiocracy that is the Federal Government??!?

reply to post by Rockpuck


A book I would like to recommend. Putting aside earlier yelling at each other.
Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine

Originally posted by king9072
Im Canadian. Had health care my entire life. Been to the hospital tens of times in my life either myself, a family member or a friend.

Best part, is when you leave, and it costs you nothing. Ever.

It may cost YOU nothing, but as sure as hell is costing someone.

Why do I have to pay for you? What gives you the right to take my god damn money?

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


Wow brother..... that was one hell of a mean answer....

"Maybe we need to decide that surgery isn't right.. and that she should take the pain killer...."

WTF

I thought Democrats are supposed to be nice.. that's something I imagine Cheney or Bush saying. Mind you, that was someones mom he was talking about..

We treat old people like dirt in this country.

reply to post by iamjesusphish


I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist... I am 23 years old and have been on Medicaid since I was 18 and taking off my parents insurance. This is not because I don't work or

First Medicaid is not government run health care! second if your parents have private insurance well they must be rich so who why are tax payers covering you medical cost.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


From the books review:

According to Abramson, Americans are overmedicated and overmedicalized as a result of the commercialization of health care. Falling prey to marketing campaigns, we demand unnecessary and expensive drugs and procedures, believing they constitute the best possible medical care.

Aint that the truth... worst thing the USDA EVER did was legalize advertising for prescription drugs. It used to go directly to Doctors.. now we can self diagnose and run to the doctor and choose our poison.

Arguing firmly that doctors should focus more on lifestyle changes to improve health, Abramson seems less credible when he writes off depression as "exercise-deficiency disease" and disposes of cancer in little more than a page. Still, he makes a powerful and coherent case that American medicine has gone badly astray and needs a new paradigm—one untainted by profits.

Hmmm maybe I will buy the book..

reply to post by Rockpuck


The author was on C2C and I found him to be definantly hands down one of the better guests they have had in a long time. He knew what he was talking about and did the research. I am planning on picking up the book myself.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Therein lies another aspect to the problem; we have millions on unemployment now, and thousands of them are now hitting the end of the benefits, and still no job. There goes another hitch to devaluate the dollar from less buying power, and it will increase over the next few months. These same families will now start to become eligible for government assistance adding to the already overstressed government budget.

We haven't seen the last of the trickle down effect yet, realisticaly can the economy support the current health reform that is proposed when we include the the rising dependancy on government assistance in the very near future. I think not, we can only ride out this storm for now and keep fighting for not only ourselves individualy but also as a country

I hope that made sense.

Originally posted by Double Eights

It may cost YOU nothing, but as sure as hell is costing someone.

Why do I have to pay for you? What gives you the right to take my god damn money?

Ok, here's a question ... (not directed at you specifically btw)

Not for just the last eight years, but pretty much since Reagan became president, we've been spending money like there's no tomorrow. Huge amounts on wars but also on social programs, you know, all the stuff in the budgets. Just in the last calendar year between Bush/Obama bailouts, stim. packages, etc, even more so.

And folks have complained about it to a degree, especially the money spent on warmongering, still ...

I've never seen anything like this ...

Of all the times you could have picked to stand your ground, including on YOUR tax money spent to kill others, educate others, etc, why on health care?

What has triggered this sudden awakening and aggressive defense of your hard earned money?

It must be something, and the only thing I can think of is that it is politically based. Another example of party before country dogma.

Because it sure isn't like anything new is happening.

reply to post by Pappa_Bear


To be blunt... the US will not withstand a continued state of deflation for much longer.. the rate at which the Government is increasingly propping up the entire economy as a whole through their own purchasing power, while trying to prevent a complete meltdown on the civic level by extending benefits and programs.. the country is nearing a breaking point. When the funds dry up it's going to be a ** storm of trouble, and it's looking like we lost a lot of international support due to the world wide depression and declining respect for the Dollar...

How can we hope to fund health care? We can hardly afford to stay in our houses.. Tax receipts are -40% year over year.. unemployment near 20%..

Regardless if it's right or wrong.. it's simply the wrong time to be proposing it.