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I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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reply to post by redhatty
 


And he dares to claim that all those Americans who don't want Socialized healthcare, and much less Obama's healthcare, are"rich Americans"... Get a life...

I am not rich, and neither are most Americans who do not want Socialized healthcare, I don't even have healthcare right now...

Obviously the OP hasn't read about, alongside the rest of the people who keep claiming it is great, the Obama administration healthcare...

I am tired of the Obamatrons who keep jumping on the Obama care bandwagon, and NONE of them apparenlty have read ANYHTING in the bill being proposed.

How about you do yourself and everyone else a favors and READ the plan who the Democrats want to iimplement, instead of being a brainwashed zombie cheering for Obama's healthcare like a high school cheerleader...

Read the statements FROM OBAMA'S MOUTH about he not caring about elderly Americans, and how he and the rest of the Democrats in power keep implying for elder Americans to "die already" so they can implement their Socialist deathcare...

So you don't have enough money to pay for healthcare but you have enough money for drugs?

If you had a hard life sorry to hear but that is no excuse to get into drugs, and then demand for Americans to pay for your drug rehab.

Perhaps you also want a free house, and a salary for the rest of your life for doing nothing...

[edit on 15-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]




posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by TheWake
 


It's not. It's just hard to believe someone with cancer who looses their job wouldn't opt for COBRA insurance to move into a plan that covers their expenses to save their life. It's the insurance aspect that makes no sense.


If he had good health care at his employer, his COBRA rate would be astronomical. Or if it was a small business with less than 20 employees, he didn't have the COBRA option at all.

My Blue Cross at a previous employer cost me roughly $35 a week. The COBRA rate was $800 per month.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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I don't understand why people are ignoring simple facts. 40 million people dont have insurance half of them are illegal immigrants who have no right to a state sponsored insurance, and the majority of the remaining are young adults who choose to not pay for insurance as most of them are healthy. I just got insurance 2 years ago im 26 and didnt see the point in paying for it when i was 18-24.

The problem with the cost of healthcare is the fact most EVERYONE has some type of insurance, this is like giving free money to the medical world. There is no competition, no individual calls the 100s of dr offices in thier area finding the best price. Why would they when the insurance company pays for it. And since the doctors don't have to worry about competition and are raking in the cash they don't care how much they spend while purchasing medical equipment. And drug companies can charge whatever they want for drugs they still hold the patton on(no generics), knowing insurance companies will pay the majority of the bill.

If everyone lost or dropped their health insurance, health spending would tighten up(reform), and we would see massive deflation in the health care industry. Would be like the next economic bubble popping. Followed by a lot of cost/spending corrections being made by all the manufactures and vendors along with private doctors/hospitals. So govt will sustain the bubble and take over this billion dollar industry and use it as a political weapon.

Really sure that a 10,000 dollar treatment for a disease that effects 14% of the population would find a way to come down in price if .3% of the people in the targeted market could afford it.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Blender
So, you are saying that someone becomes ill or is injured, and you would like to get the care you need, but can't afford private insurance, they are playing a "poor, poor, pitiful me" routine, or being a leech?


No I was saying that the OP was playing the poor, poor, pitiful me routine in trying to present his addiction, financed by medicaid as the responsibility of the doctor who prescribed the pain killers he became addicted to. And continuing to use that as a justification for his need to have medicaid then pay for his rehab


Anyone who has had some bad finiancial luck, made poor and self destructive choices in life, or even a child born into a poor family... Any of these disgusting leeches needs to just die like they are supposed to and stop whining about health care.


There is no such thing as "bad financial luck" there is a lack of self discipline with money, or a lack of saving for a rainy day, or a choice to live beyond your means. Poor and self-destructive choices, as well as having children when you can't afford them , and an inability to manage your own finances are all examples of a lack of personal responsibility.

Never have I said they should die, there are already programs provided by state and federal government to help people who, through lack of personal responsibility, or unexpected catastrophic illness (two different things) have health coverage, it's called Medicaid, or in the case of a disabling situation, Medicare.

People who use the programs DUE TO A LACK OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY are leeches on the system.

I am responsible for the choices I MAKE, I should NOT BE FORCED to be responsible for anyone else's choices.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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It's funny a great number of individuals who have most likely never known what it is to be truly "down and out" think that they can cast such broadbased generalizations as "leeches" about people need and yet are unable to pay for health care. Ah well. Must be great to feed an inferiority complex.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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What bothers me most about this debate is how simplified the supporters of it make it out to be. It is it to my understanding that health care is like any other consumer need. Supply and demand dictates price. If a doctor is able to alleviate your headache with some medicine is one thing, if he has to go in and move some wires around in your brain, that's another. The brain surgeon has specialized abilities that few others are capable of and so his services come at a premium. The number of brain surgeons is limited and therefor the services are too.

If you cap the brain surgeons salary the demand to become a brain surgeon falls, and later you have even less qualified brain surgeons providing even less care.

In the end we have less expertise and more prescription writers.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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Problem is you don't speak for everyone, you can only really speak for yourself. Maybe I don't like my tax dollars going to pay for F-22s, maybe I don't like to see my tax dollars going to cause X and Nation Y. If -I- don't like the way my taxes are used I let my elected representatives know in Washington and don't vote for them again if required but make no mistake when I do I do not empower my arguments with conjecture that I know how my neighbors want their tax dollars spent.

Another thing, I would of rather seen all -my- tax dollars spent on a good health care solution then the wars we are waging based on lies.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:33 PM
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That's the whole problem with the healthcare "industry" is that it runs off market forces. It should be about people and not profit as doing otherwise is little more than extortion at it's worst.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
You have no idea and prove your ignorance... I got hooked via pharmaceutical prescriptions... I love how your ignorance shines through. You are the problem in this country... did you miss the part that said I am a tax paying citizen?


Ah, so it wasn't your choice to get hooked on drugs, it was all the fault of pharmaceutical companies...

Pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of harm, but people like you need to take PERSONAL RESPONSABILITY for YOUR actions instead of wanting to blame someone else all the time...

If you had enough money to get hooked on drugs, you had enough money to pay for insurance, but you decided instead to get addicted to drugs.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Well that's what I meant in an earlier post by saying we are at a place in time where we can evolve humanity. We need to decide how this system is going to work. I agree the welfare of the people shouldn't be profited upon, but there are only so many brain surgeons, right?



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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You make it sound like he decided "Hm. I know what I will do! Get addicted to a substance and ruin my life."



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist... I am 23 years old and have been on Medicaid since I was 18 and taking off my parents insurance. This is not because I don't work or pay taxes but simply because I can not afford private insurance.

Now first off I am a recovering addict and without medicaid I would have died when I overdosed in 2004. Without Medicaid I would have been pushed off to a hospital that could not treat my Pulmonary Edema. My life was saved because of government run health care.

I for one believe that every American citizens deserves to be insured. To any of you that think our country will be ruined because of this needs to be human for one second and think about their fellows humans. We are not enemies. We are the same as you except we are not as well off. I work just like you do I pay taxes just like you and I would want the same health insurance for you....



[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]


America doesnt look after it's own

You have people dying in the streets like in the third world countries, you have people having to work 2 and 3 jobs because your wages are so lousy and lots of others rely heavily on tips to get by- god forbid if you have a stroke of bad luck when you live in the States-

Your fellow country men begrudge you and I can understand your frustration.

Kudos to you for getting clean, that's no easy task that's for sure- best of the luck for the future



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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Several people have said the same thing. It's a poor example.. as most people don't want to pay for socialized medicine OR wars of aggression ...

I think it's plain to see.. the problem is the Government! Lets NOT give the Government more influence in our lives!!!!



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:41 PM
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There is need and there is greed. I am all for paying a fair price for services rendered. BUT when that price turns into a little more than highway robbery for services I need in order to survive, it's full on greed on their part.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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And in the mean time let those less fortunate die in the gutters because they can't get care because they are "leeches" if they need it.
How is this not an narcisistic/aristocratic excuse to feel superior to another while denying something to another because you feel you have more "right" to it than they?


[edit on 15-8-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
You have no idea and prove your ignorance... I got hooked via pharmaceutical prescriptions... I love how your ignorance shines through. You are the problem in this country... did you miss the part that said I am a tax paying citizen?


Ah, so it wasn't your choice to get hooked on drugs, it was all the fault of pharmaceutical companies...

Pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of harm, but people like you need to take PERSONAL RESPONSABILITY for YOUR actions instead of wanting to blame someone else all the time...

If you had enough money to get hooked on drugs, you had enough money to pay for insurance, but you decided instead to get addicted to drugs.


People become addicted to drugs everyday and everywhere. Who are you to judge that person isn't redeemable? Get real buddy. Your argument only deepens the divide.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Your tax dollars paid for the Iraq war.

Good job.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Nobody is "dieing in the gutters" .. talk about an exaggeration ..



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by smarteye
 


There is need and there is greed. I am all for paying a fair price for services rendered. BUT when that price turns into a little more than highway robbery for services I need in order to survive, it's full on greed on their part.


And now you want those same people to rewrite how we receive medical care? By reducing medical specialist, which I believe would happen, we would fall further into the pharmaceutical hole.

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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 07:55 PM
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You talk of denying them care because they are "leeches" and you shouldn't pay for them. They will not recieve care since not able to pay for it themselves and thusly die if it's serious enough. Which is rather simular to feelings in days past when such things did happen.

No matter how much you try to veil it it is STILL social darwinism at it's worst.

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



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