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wrong wrong wrong. Your argument is about those making over 250k which is not 'the middle class'.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by contemplator
You don't seriously believe that?
That's like believing Bush when he said we would all get tax reductions for the middle class... which we didn't get much of one, but the rich got a huge one.
Same for dems. "We will tax the rich a lot, the middle class a little" which turns into "We taxed the rich a little and the middle class a lot!"
Because quite frankly there is more of a middle class than there is a wealthy class .. and in economics, that's all that matters. It will be funded by the Middle Class, or it simply won't be funded at all.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by ladyinwaiting
If you have employer sponsored healthcare, and you get cancer, then loose your job, through COBRA the corporations are legally obligated to "grandfather you in" .. You can apply for new insurance without being "screened" for preexisting conditions.. the corporations MUST pay for the health costs of the condition you had at the time of loosing your job.
Next time you make up a BS story at least get the facts right.
Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist... I am 23 years old and have been on Medicaid since I was 18 and taking off my parents insurance. This is not because I don't work or pay taxes but simply because I can not afford private insurance.
Now first off I am a recovering addict and without medicaid I would have died when I overdosed in 2004. Without Medicaid I would have been pushed off to a hospital that could not treat my Pulmonary Edema. My life was saved because of government run health care.
I for one believe that every American citizens deserves to be insured. To any of you that think our country will be ruined because of this needs to be human for one second and think about their fellows humans. We are not enemies. We are the same as you except we are not as well off. I work just like you do I pay taxes just like you and I would want the same health insurance for you....
[edit on 15-8-2009 by iamjesusphish]
No, Mr. know-it-all. they do not. Furthemore I resent your consdecending attitude, and you are out of line.
Originally posted by VonDoom
Have you ever been a drug addict? Do you know what its like? Im going to guess no by your previous replies. Have you ever see what some addicts are willing to do to get their "medicine" ? Not that im calling the OP a straight up drug addict, like he said, he got hurt, and was prescribed his medicine legally. However, I think its worth paying a little extra upfront if it will reduce the chances of another crazy drug addict robbing my grandmother. This is just one small minute example.
And either way, you'll still have another burden on society. why should I have to subsidize YOUR retirement with my SS "donation" every other week, when I WONT BE GETTING IT WHEN ITS MY TIME? Maybe If didnt have to pay for that, i might be able to finagle some form of private health insurance.
Third, all of you "rich and well to do people" need to learn to share the wealth around a little bit. Once someone has lost everything, they dont care.
Fourth, more than likely, over say the next 20 years, the cost of socialized healthcare would decrease, as more and more people would be able to take preventative measures and screenings, thus reducing the number of serious cases which do cost a lot of money.
I've been forced to pay into SS since I began working at 15. When I do collect it, I will only get a payout determined by my income for the 10 yrs preceding the date of eligibility.
Originally posted by redhatty
reply to post by iamjesusphish
I have plenty of compassion for my fellow man, I have no compassion for people who play the "poor, poor, pitiful me" routine.
And I have no stomach for leeches who fight to defend their leech activity.
It IS a cruel world, sounds like you need to tough up.