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I am 23, an American Citizen with government run health care.

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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 10:55 AM
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If we can fight wars, why can't we feed OUR OWN people and give them health care?


We shouldn't be doing either.




posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by chasnj
I am 54yrs old and have been paying into the system for over 35 yrs. My business has been going downhill and lost my medical 5 years ago. I take blood pressure meds and now have some other health problems. So when i get a prescription filled i pay 200-300 dollars, i go to dr and pay 100 dollars. I pay more friggen taxes and have no money left over for myself.
Now i need help and and it looks like im not going to get it.
I think more people need to listen to us that can not afford health car.
I can not afford 800-900 a month. I DON'T MAKE THAT MUCH!
Not all of us are freeloaders, i work 60hrs a week.

Just blowing off steam


Actually that is one of the HUGE gaps in our healthcare that needs to be addressed. For someone who had Group coverage and now has to get individual coverage to last them till Medicare kicks in, it costs a TON of money. The poster is not exaggerating, I try to help people find affordable insurance at his age group, there just isn't any that gives them comparable coverage to what they had in the group plan. Best case scenario is in the Mid $600's anything less and then you are talking a HSA with a high deductible, which at that age, isn't nearly as beneficial as it is to a younger person.

It makes no sense to me that a Person aged 59 should have to pay out of pocket close to $1,000 a month for medical care when they finally get on Medicare, it drops to 200-$300 month.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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reply to post by redhattyso I paid 6,000 in fed. taxes and got 1,800 back so I guess I don't pay real taxes either
 





posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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we can feed our own people and for the ones who really are poor there are programs like medicaid and food stamps already available.

when people are told that they don't qualify for those programs due to income restrictions that usually is an indicator that they could pay for their own doctor visits, although there are some exceptions, and rules and limits vary by state.

Will a person who doesn't qualify for existing programs be able to go to the most expensive private doctor?? NO But they should be able to go to the low cost or sliding scale clinic that is withing a reasonable distance.

I do not now, nor have I ever supported the war on Iraq. Even when I was active duty military I was a Non-combatant in the Medical Corps. I was a health care provider.

I have no more control over the war than I do over whether this Health Care legislation will be passed. I think BOTH are wrong for this country.

America is supposed to be a democratic-republic. If you want to live in a socialized country, move to one. We really won't miss ya. In fact, if all those who want socialism moved to a socialist country, we might actually manage to fix what's wrong here in America.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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No you pay taxes. Some people however, get back 100% of the money withheld for federal Income tax plus get refundable credits. I regularly see tax clients who had witholding of $2,100 get Tax refunds of $7,000 to $9,000. So in addition to a full refund of their witholding they get back an additional $5,000. Strange world isn't it?



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:10 AM
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sounds like you paid $4200 in taxes if my math skills are working.

Was there another point you were trying to make?



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
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Welll....... for one...

I am glad our tax dollars saved a drug addict. It's nice to meet you.

Insurance for someone 'bout 23 is $80 a month for private, if you live in a liberal state, maybe $100-150 ..

Of course this is assuming you don't have a history of say .... drug abuse...

You're angry because past irresponsibility makes insurance more expensive for you. I personally couldn't care less.

Health care "Reform" needs to occur, to better regulate insurance companies. I agree. What we don't need is a system to give free health care to a certain class of citizens, and super expensive to another. Yes, you may get your health care for free, but the increase in my taxes is far larger than the increases in my premiums. Why should I have to pay for the likes of you?


I wish my health care was only $80/month...try round $90/week. N thats in FL.

Ur right, "Reform" needs to occur. Needs to be able to be made cheaper. But there also has to be an influx of practitioners in order to cover the greater demand. Personally, I like my health care and would like to see the premiums go down, but def aint gonna pick up the "public" health care plan. Even though i barely get by with paying the premiums on top of my mortgage, NRG bills, etc., still wouldnt think about gettin rid of it.

Can anybody really answer me this question. When was the last time that a government plan turned out right? The cons outweigh the pros on this one imho and im not quite ready to turn my health care over to the government. It will be FUBAR, just ask a vet that goes to the VA.

And for the medicare guy, glad ur ok. My brother was in the same position and is going 3 years strong of being drug/alcohol free. But you are flawed in thinking that the its ok for just the rich to have to pay for poorer peoples health care. They dont owe poor people jack,neither do i, nor you. If you want to help pay for poorer peoples health care one day when you make some more money, thats cool. But its called charity and should not be forced on to me by way of taxation from the government. That goes across the very principle of why this country was founded, gettin taxed for to much crap and the king just pileing it on more and more.

And like another guy said, the rich arent gonna be the ones that are gonna take the brunt of this, its gonna be people like me who can barely afford to pay for the stuff I have now and my families company who will not be able to afford to cover all of its employees with healthcare, even with the suppossed "lower rate" of the Obama plan. Hell, even the OP will be taxed more in order to cover this plan, there is no way around it cause the numbers don't add up otherwise. Its really gonna hurt a lot more people than help.

What good does having health care do if you dont have a job to feed yourselves?



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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LOL I love crawling into the canadian hospitals and screaming sow me up doc covered in blood cuz im a clutz, midaswell just camp outside with a medikit for my pillow

[edit on 15-8-2009 by Spock Shock]



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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For all of those who would like to stop leaching, perhaps you should stop consuming altogether. The wealth in America is a Ponzi scheme propped up by threat of relentless military force and economic sanctions. If the rug gets pulled from under our feet, we will all be massively suffering. The rug will get pulled unless we stop dancing to the same tune. I am not coming out in favor or against the healthcare legislation; I do know, however, that it has many crooked elements, and is not being presented as it truly will be. That being said, the deception in this healthcare bill is just a branch on the massive, virus-infected tree that we now have growing in this country. The selfish mentality in this country will eat itself. Capitalism only works if it is real capitalism, and if it is coupled with sincere charitable giving by a sufficient amount of people. Capitalism requires social morality. What we have is more of a subsidized, reverse welfare corporate oligarchy complete with corporate and government bureaucrats feeding at the trough. I hear nobody in this thread complaining about the billions upon billions (now trillions) in subsidies being handed out. The truth of the matter is, the illusion has faded. There is no free market competition in this country. It is more like a labyrinth of games that, in many cases, encourage a sociopathic mentality to rise to the top.

All this being said, if you are against the healthcare proposal, I can see your wisdom. However, you must be consistent and apply the same mentality across the board. And, you must be willing to face the personal consequences for the emergence of transparency in a country dedicated to creating a mass fantasy for the public, a fantasy that keeps people trucking along.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:24 AM
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You do realise that everything you have is a result of society. Your house, your education, your clothes, your personal safety, but you don't want to give anything back, unless it's on your terms?

You realise that your selfishness is no different to those that work the system?

'It's my money', you whine. What you've said is that you'll take everything that society allows you; an education, a market place for your company to work in, a currency to trade in and justice system to help protect your interests and you're just going to take and not give anything back.

Well, those that use the system through benefit fraud or are just plain old robbers do exactly the same; they take from society and don't give it back.

Well, I'm happy to help you both because if I don't, we'll all eventually turn in to you.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by redhatty
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Just because a pain killer is prescribed does NOT MEAN you HAVE to take it. There are ways to learn to deal with pain that can reduce the amount of drugs you need to manage it, but again, that too is a CHOICE.
[edit on 8/15/09 by redhatty]


Well, then if I am an ignorant person, with no knowledge on healthy pain reduction methods, then... what??? How i am i supposed to not listen the Doctor??? where is the CHOICE???
To state that he become addict because he decided to become one, is quite mischievous.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by dizzie56

I wish my health care was only $80/month...try round $90/week. N thats in FL.


Really? Here in Michigan a 23 year old can pay about $47.17 a month for coverage. I know FL rates are a little higher, but you should be able to do better than $360 a month, U2U me if you would like some help.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Much wisdom in this. You have a good understanding of the interconnections of things. Isn't it funny how people almost universally have the same perspective, albeit with different details, as the very people they are complaining about. We need to have a spiritual understanding of the foundations of things in order to get on a decent course. Belief and action are intertwined. They are colored by choice. Too bad too many latch onto ideology like a parasite, ironically. The host always gets tapped dry.......The parasite dies.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by redhatty
So, YOUR BAD CHOICES have been subsidized by my taxes.


And his BAD CHOICES supported alot of people who made money servicing him, and in the end they got to keep the money without long term problems for doing so, but in a way he was left holding a bag for the rest of his life.

I guess in a way he is a resource to certain professions. However when you make you BAD CHOICE, lets hope you get the same amount of sympathy, and you will make one, be in a bad mood some day and cut in front of a car and hit a person in the crosswalk, something stupid probably, cause you are a judgemental person walking around in judgemental vibration, so you will attract judgement.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
Alright I am very fed up with rich people that have great health care being enraged with the notion that they will not pay for another persons health care because it is socialist... I am 23 years old and have been on Medicaid since I was 18 and taking off my parents insurance. This is not because I don't work or pay taxes but simply because I can not afford private insurance.

Now first off I am a recovering addict and without medicaid I would have died when I overdosed in 2004. Without Medicaid I would have been pushed off to a hospital that could not treat my Pulmonary Edema. My life was saved because of government run health care.

I for one believe that every American citizens deserves to be insured. To any of you that think our country will be ruined because of this needs to be human for one second and think about their fellows humans. We are not enemies. We are the same as you except we are not as well off. I work just like you do I pay taxes just like you and I would want the same health insurance for you....



I am glad you survived your poor decisions. That said, my family has modest health care that I pay for out of pocket. Your parents could have paid for your continued health care but perhaps they thought better of that knowing your penchant for poor choices. You have no way of knowing what the "fictional" hospital would have done if you were not on Medicaid. By law, no one can be turned away from a hospital in this country. Insurance is not a right. It is a choice similar to taking drugs. If you had invested in a doctor's visit instead of drugs you might be better off now. We all have choices and that's what makes this country a great place. You would not want to live here with health care but no personal choice.

I do not want the health care you want. For one, your form of health care does not exist. You only wanted health care when it was life or death for you. It was not a priority for you before then. Satisfying your short-term desires or curiosity was a priority. That was a choice. From what you've said here, I don't want you making choices for me or my family.

All the best to you going forward. I hope you "live long an prosper" while making better choices.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by Woland
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You do realise that everything you have is a result of society. Your house, your education, your clothes, your personal safety, but you don't want to give anything back, unless it's on your terms?


How so? Society did not pay for my education, make my grades, wake me up to attend classes, etc. Society does not establish my credit rating, pay my mortgage or mow my lawn.

You are delusional my friend if you think that society has GIVEN me anything. I have worked hard for everything I have.


You realise that your selfishness is no different to those that work the system?


Oh yes it is. I worked and still work for what I have, I do not receive a handout in any way, shape or form.


'It's my money', you whine. What you've said is that you'll take everything that society allows you; an education, a market place for your company to work in, a currency to trade in and justice system to help protect your interests and you're just going to take and not give anything back.


Society doesn't "allow" a person an education. It does allow a person to go to grade school, whether they actually learn or not is completely up to the individual. Higher learning is bought and paid for, there is no free college education.

Capitalism allowed my company to thrive. The old build a better mousetrap concept. Provide something the public wants or needs at a reasonable price and with good service.

Money is a medium of labor exchange, not a gift.

As to the justice system protecting anyone's interest, that is very debatable in this day and age & the topic of another thread, not this one.

As to your assumption that I do not give back, that is an incorrect assumption. But what I do, and who I make charitable gifts to is my business and I do not have to proclaim those actions to garner support of anyone, because they are my personal choices. Anyone who seeks accolades for helping others is not truly being charitable, now are they?

I can only wish that people would decide to go back to the concepts of personal responsibility. If everyone did, we would have less problems in this country and wouldn't need to ask the .gov to fix everything for us.

We would fix it ourselves.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by redhatty
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So, YOUR BAD CHOICES have been subsidized by my taxes.

You CHOSE to do drugs, and this caused health problems, but MY TAXES are paying for your rehab and your medical treatment.

Of course you want to keep your free health care going, Me and the rest of the american tax-payers are paying your bills!!!!!

America really has become a nation of leeches, your post is just another example of that.



Pfft. The amount of tax money spent on that sort of thing is nothing. Just think of how much of our taxes go to giving free bombs to Iraqis. We spend billions on those, and the ungrateful kids over there don't even want them.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by oshdra
Well, then if I am an ignorant person, with no knowledge on healthy pain reduction methods, then... what??? How i am i supposed to not listen the Doctor??? where is the CHOICE???
To state that he become addict because he decided to become one, is quite mischievous.


Back to that concept of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

If you are ignorant, then Learn. I am not to blame for your ignorance.

There are public libraries, the internet, webMD, etc. the resources to learn are readily available for you to use.

It is your choice to either learn or remain ignorant

Either way, I am not responsible for the results of your choice.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:45 AM
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Sorry, I failed to read where you had blamed the medical establishment for your addiction. But let me get this straight.... you still want to be treated by the same people that caused your addiction? Give it some thought.



posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 11:50 AM
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Higher education is highly subsidized. The purpose of police, ultimately, is to protect the haves from the have nots. Your k-12 education was bought and paid for. The roads you drive on were paid for by taxes. Your education was propped up on the minds of earlier thinkers. The airline industry is subsidized, so when you fly somewhere, think of this. Your parent or parents raised you. Some person on the street said something to encourage you at some point. People do kind things everyday that keep this world from falling into a pit, and they do it for free. If you think you live in a vacuum, you are highly mistaken. I just ask you to look at how interconnected it all is. I don't understand how someone cannot see this. I really do see, but it can come across as presumptuous, and those who do not honestly look at themselves get highly defensive.



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