What do the citizens of ATS want politically and how do WE get it? , page 1
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Topic started on 14-8-2009 @ 08:32 PM by Animal
As a member of ATS for something like 3 years now I h ave seen and participated in a LOT of political discussions. As ATS is a conspiracy site there is no surprise that much of what is posted and debated here is the legitimacy of our political system and it's various players.

I have seen plenty of what I would call right leaning ideology as well as left leaning ideology. I have also seen people who come from points of view from the many spectrum's of thought in between the right / left spectrum and from beyond it.

I have also seen countless debates that embrace hostility based on the fevered adoption of dogmatic beliefs. Something that is to be expected in political debates.

The one thing I have consistently seen here is a passion that can only be contributed to people who actually CARE about the validity and honor (for lack of a better term) of the systems which we adopt to manage the society in which we live.

What I am curious to try to understand is what exactly it is the people here want from a valid political system, how they see it realized, and how this system would work to be an inclusive system that does not marginalize minorities or majorities.

As a collective of what I believe to be above average thinkers I think such a discussion could be a great opportunity for the various 'sides' of political discourse to come together, share their values and ideas and attempt to devise a method for pursuing a collective approach to political rehabilitation.

Think of it as a debate not seeking a single winner but an amalgamation of various perspectives into a cohesive understanding of mutual agreement that seeks to promote positive change in today's woefully flawed system.

What I would like to ideally see is

#1. people who contribute their personal ideas and perspectives.

#2. once these contributions seems to have ceased a discussion on finding balance between views and the creation of a collective ideology that respects all points of view.

#3. ideas on how this ideology can be promoted for the betterment of the current system.


reply posted on 14-8-2009 @ 09:25 PM by TheAssociate
reply to post by Shamrock87


Gotta go with you for the most part, but I would like to add:

A government that strictly adheres to the Constitution.

Otherwise, you summed it up quite nicely.


TA



reply posted on 15-8-2009 @ 06:51 AM by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Animal


I will explain to you animal, what a certain large segment here want.

1) They want to end the income tax, because 33% of it goes off to paying debt, another 33% goes to the military. They want to end it completely, because lord knows the taxes of seniors and the state taxes (the ones where you pay at a toll on a road) will be somehow enough to sustain the state itself.

2) At the same time these folks want the military to continue its build up. Heck $500 billion a year isnt enough, continue the build up... the $ 1trillion increase in expenditure over the last 8years was not enough, continue the increase. We need the military strong as possible.... and just take it out of the federal government..... which sources 95% of this military expenditure from income tax... but thats gone.... oh nevermind Im sure $25 billion a year is enough (I actually dont mind that).

3) Oh yes end the IRS, the FED! They are evil evil organizations that take away my hard earned cash! That should solve most of our problems! By ending these agencies!

4) Yes we dont want socialized medicine! I mean after all, 50% of us conservative constitutionalist folks are over 50 years old! We want the government to keep their filthy hands off our medicare and we dont want their filthy socialized healthcare!

5) Guns for everybody!

6) Completely outlaw abortion, under any circumstance, because in the bible God specifically says its not our business to take the life of anybody, its only his, and while your at it make the death penalty legal in all the states, its our duty to take the lives of those criminals!

7) We must be all free in this nation! Free to persue what we feel... free accepting:

-That if your gay you cannot join the army.
-That if you have an arab middle name, you must be a muslim, you cannot choose any other religion for yourself.
-Your free to voted in anybody but the black liberal "kenyan".
-You must wear your flagpin at all times!
-Your free to speak your mind, but if there is any discussion of socialism, you must shut up!

I have a real long list here.... but Im going to end it there.

As they say "Shut up and be free"
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