posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 05:47 PM
How many people on ATS say they think they know the exact dates and times and signs leading up?
If I was to present to you this verse from the Bible, Luke 21 or Mathew 24 like many people do on here and else where then we without further
explanation make the Bible sound vague and open to criticism.
Example in Luke 21 people use this quote a lot.
Signs of the End of the Age
10Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in
various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven
25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.
26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the
Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your
redemption is drawing near."
People may use this to speak about what is happenning in the world around them, and by doing so will not convince people and many people on the
internet will go to their Bibles if they have one these days to look it up further. Other events that involve Israel must also take place. This is a
future Israel after the 2nd temple as predicted in the same verse was destroyed by the Romans as described in the previous verse in 70 AD.
Signs of the End of the Age
5Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, 6"As
for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down."
7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?"
8He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow
them. 9When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."
There was World War 2 in recent history and many small wars and disasters but the end is not yet come, apart from Israel being back on the map after
nearly 2000 years and everyone has gone back to hating that nation and people.
Signs of the End of the Age
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You
will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise
against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it
will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to
the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at
the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one
will be taken and the other left.
You see not even Jesus knows nor the Angels when the day will come, it will happen unexpectedly but people are so sure they know or can guess even
when they are practicing good Christians, some even use such a theme to become cult religion like which is wrong and it should not be followed in such
a manner. They gather people into their groups and form cults, we have seen this happen before, if it is amateur non religious people predicting the
dates we have seen by their amount who have that they were always wrong, ATS has enough of them on its own.
The most important argument is this verse below, this is a 2000 year old warning of such behaviour, we see it all the time now on the internet,
sometimes its the conspiracy theorists who try and predict dates and times, the 2012 theory is no different it seems, look at youtube, its full of it.
For such events the mesage in
2 Thessalonians 2 is saying that the events are synchronised, one major event in human history is not the sign yet, no matter how big it was, not even
world war 2 puts it on scale. The events of the end will involve just about everything war and disaster but with religious elements and of course
Israel being in the centre of such events. Any way read below because if there are any Christians alike who feel like its the end every turn of the
year then you really have to tick more boxes to convince people.
For the Athiest doomsday lovers who are also very wrong everytime, you just make the Bible sound even more accurate and 2012 is no different.
2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by
some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any
way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose
and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.
5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed
at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken
out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the
splendor of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles,
signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be
saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not
believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
Just added - off shoot thought;
2012 divided by 3
[edit on 14-8-2009 by The time lord]