When I look at these formations, I'm impressed by the straight lines, but my eye doesn't see anything repeating in a regular fashion.

Straight lines and crisp angles doesn't cut it all the way for me, because I've seen plenty of other natural examples of crisp, parallel, cubical, and other geometric shapes. Mostly crystalline in nature, but still.

To me, all the steps and terraces look somewhat skew relative to one another. I'd be more inclined to think man-made if there was at least something on it that looked more "patterned", you know? Of course, it could be an abstract form, and still be man made, but nothing jumps out to me as evidence that people are responsible for this structure.

The stair step between the walls comes darn close, though...

Originally posted by tjack
To me, all the steps and terraces look somewhat skew relative to one another. I'd be more inclined to think man-made if there was at least something on it that looked more "patterned", you know?

This is man made in Peru...



Care to apply your thoughts to that? Seems no one else wants to go there

If we never had Plato we wouldn't know of Atlantis.
Atlantis is now a big issue by itself.

It seems though that Atlantis is not alone in a list of lost landmasses and the possible civilizations that inhabited them.
From scarce hints and tips we got so far it is rumored that at least another lost civilization might have existed even before Atlantis. We named this one Mu. Although about Atlantis, we might have more information and somehow we may have gotten some things right about it, Mu is pure speculation, but there are numerous non identified structures underwater and even above water that possibly indicate that something existed. It might be probable that it might not just be one other lost civilization but an entire list of them and even the terms and names we have attributed to them might turn out completely irrelevant.

To make a point this might be the only time in the turbulent stages of the known and also undiscovered human history that the current human civilization might eventually gather the resources and acquire the know how to discover in its entirety the lost history of this troubled planet.
Chances are that if we take this initiative that we might discover things even the old lost civilizations never had the chance to uncover about their pasts and of what preceded them.

If we chose to be in a constant state of denial about these possibilities we put ourselves in a constant state of ignorance.
If it happens that indeed live in an ecosystem that has terminated a long list of older civilizations, we should start our searching now, and understand the mechanics of how would an entire civilization turn to unidentifiable ruble and wild speculation, before we too have to meet the same fate.

This planet might be in a constant state of change and numerous civilizations had been lost without a trace, without a link connecting one from the other.

We might now eventually even have the chance, of realizing the needed vision, of acquiring needed know how and constructing the means of putting an end to this vicious cycle of ignorance and loss of connection between the human civilizations through the ages.

This would be something that no other before us was capable of doing, we could be the one civilization that can change everything if we so chose to. We could go down in history as the greatest one for only achieving this feat, and for as long as this planet could harbor life, and even beyond that if we can be able of securing the connection of the past with the future.
Think about it. What would be the possibilities? We might not be changing the outcome of our fates, of only our fates, we might be changing he outcome of several other worlds also, that might occasionally meet the same fate with us through the ages and somehow are connected to us for reasons still undiscovered.

If we can put a small part of effort and faith here and now, we might be changing an untold amount of things in the future for the better, for others to come, and possibly for others we probably won't know and wouldn't know that they even exist or existed, for them to discover.

This should be our gift for the generations to come.

knowledge.

[edit on 25-8-2009 by spacebot]

Seems like the real question here is.....how is this vid so clear? I mean, are Russian waters that much clearer than ours, or do they have vastly superior underwater photography/lighting gear? Good Grief. I've taken photo's underwater before, but this is great.

I've spent lots of time underwater, and I can tell you if I came upon something like this..I would instantly think it was a man-made ruin. But, it can be tricky down there. I'm wondering if perhaps they moved some sea debris before they filmed it. I'm not an expert, but the temperature of the water, location, depth, what sea life exists in the area, determines to a degree what debris/erosion/parasites you will find on a structure.

In other words, you can place an object in the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico; go back two years later, and it's so covered in sea life, you'll barely be able to identify it. But in the icy cold waters off the coast of Russia, who knows? May not be much sea life thriving there.

Zorgon, thank you so much too. Your additions are fantastic!

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Originally posted by zazzafrazz
I immediatley see "normal" human steps on the side of the large one, the large ones may have been a seating or standing area and the smaller stairs to get them there, much like the stairs for seating when i go watch a game....

AH! So not religious... I will put you down for 'stadium seating'

So ummm where is the arena

Maybe the smaller stairs were added later for smaller people? Just a thought. I like to look at all angles, not just date one piece of rock to date the whole complex

Kind like dating the repair mortar on the pyramid and claiming the whole thing is the same age

[edit on 25-8-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
I didnt say it was a stadium lol I said Like the stairs when i see a game.
They are stairs for human use.

Well first of all we have no human in that picture to make that determination

Second the stairs go no where

Third the angles on this site are much sloppier than those on the Japanese 'pyramid'

Fourth... what could possibly have motivated 'them' to make such a weird structure... no houses, no alters, just odd rctangles cut into the rock

If a quarry, which is what it looks like, where did the cut stones (or the rubble from cutting) go?

[edit on 25-8-2009 by zorgon]

Originally posted by KandinskyStill....it hardly matters as how many guys change opinions around here?

Nah if I was worried about that I would have left a long time ago. Its not about changing minds... its about making people think about other possibilities.

Trying to beat someone over the head to make them listen has never worked very well... so all we can do is lay the stuff on the table and maybe someone someday looks and says... "Hey wait a minute... maybe...."

Originally posted by tjack
The one in Peru looks more man made than the other one, to me.

Yes but then you know the one in Peru is man made but the point is that it has huge cuts that are random with no apparent purpose which has been a main argument against the Japanese formation

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by tjack
The one in Peru looks more man made than the other one, to me.

Yes but then you know the one in Peru is man made but the point is that it has huge cuts that are random with no apparent purpose which has been a main argument against the Japanese formation

Again, however, the one in Peru has a couple stairs with equal-ish dimensions. It's a subtle difference, but it's enough. If there were a couple steps on the Japan structure oriented and sized the same, or any other evidence that people did this, then I'm sure I would be fully in the "it's man worked" camp.


[edit on 26-8-2009 by tjack]