How to help kids who fit the indigo stereotype?

Hai ATS. I deal with some kids on a daily basis that fit the stereotype for "super special 133T indigo" perfectly.


Now some of the threads about the indigo phenominon turn into trollfests on both sides, so I will act more like I'm taking this with a grain of salt to avoid some of the attacks.

The questions I have are very simple. What sort of advice, guidance, assistance, or help do kids that fit the indigo profile need or find benefeicial? What does the collective of ATS suggest for helping these kids bloom?

Also, it might be worth noting that I am responsible for these kids off and on over the week. I have not told these children that they are in any way different or special. I would want to help these kids, not shatter their phsyche.

IMHO, kids/adults who think they are Indigo's are delusional. The only sane help they can be given is that of the medical profession. We certainly shouldn't be indulging their fantasies. The disconnect they have with reality is not healthy. The sooner they come to terms with the real world, the better because it ain't going anywhere.

To summarize with one word, THERAPY!

IRM

And I think the ones who thinks they cant or don't exist are delusional...


PEACE!!!

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I've had this discussion dozens of times - and not ONE person has ever proven to me or swayed my view point in thinking that these so called indigo children are anything beyond the 'norm'.

I too fit many of the stereotypes of being an indigo. But i am just like everyone else, a unique person with my own abilities that are not too much different from Joe blogs.

Unless you can show me or persuade me that these indigo children are anything beyond the norm, then i'm just gonna put them down to wishful thinking, pseudo-spiritualist hope and a middle class alternative fantasy.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
IMHO, kids/adults who think they are Indigo's are delusional. The only sane help they can be given is that of the medical profession. We certainly shouldn't be indulging their fantasies. The disconnect they have with reality is not healthy. The sooner they come to terms with the real world, the better because it ain't going anywhere.

To summarize with one word, THERAPY!

IRM

Methinks the parents are the ones who should be dealt with, as putting such pressure on their children is nothing but bad parenting.

I knew a girl who thought her nephew was an indigo child. She was swept up with new age pseudo-science and held a rigid view that her nephew was beyond the norm just because he had a decent vocabulary and was polite.

Wishful thinking methinks...

Originally posted by Happyfeet
Hai ATS. I deal with some kids on a daily basis that fit the stereotype for "super special 133T indigo" perfectly.

Autowrench:
Bless you, friend, for doing what few could do.

Now some of the threads about the indigo phenominon turn into trollfests on both sides, so I will act more like I'm taking this with a grain of salt to avoid some of the attacks.

Autowrench:
Yes, sad but very true. I find it difficult to know that so many are against a phenomena that is very real, and not the fault of the child. It's like being born with an adult brain, and a multi-dimensional thinking process that runs so fast hands, feet, and mouth cannot keep up with it.

The questions I have are very simple. What sort of advice, guidance, assistance, or help do kids that fit the indigo profile need or find benefeicial? What does the collective of ATS suggest for helping these kids bloom?

Also, it might be worth noting that I am responsible for these kids off and on over the week. I have not told these children that they are in any way different or special. I would want to help these kids, not shatter their phsyche.

Autowrench:
My advice? I am an Indigo, and I raised two children who are Indigos, and I am now raising another Indigo child, a cute little boy who speaks with the wisdom of the ages sometimes, and whose mind works so fast his mouth cannot keep up with his thinking process. The doctors all want to put him on drugs, just as happened when my own two kids when they were little, and in school. Although there are drugs that will slow the thinking process, but will this be a benefit to the child? I am of the school that thinks no, this is not a good thing to do. My best advice it find out what they like to do to pass time, and provide that for them. My little boy is most happy when he is dis-assembling some electronic device...so I got through the trash looking for old VCRs, printers, and stereos. My own son I taught how to be a mechanic, but along the way he taught himself way more than I could teach him.

Again, I applaud you for what you are doing, pay no attention to the threads bashing Indigos in this forum, there are hate groups in every forum, this one is no exception.

Originally posted by autowrench

Autowrench:
My advice? I am an Indigo, and I raised two children who are Indigos, and I am now raising another Indigo child, a cute little boy who speaks with the wisdom of the ages sometimes, and whose mind works so fast his mouth cannot keep up with his thinking process.

Really? So what makes you an indigo? Who says? What makes you different to anybody else on this forum or anybody else in the street? Just because you've got kids who act like kids should act?

The doctors all want to put him on drugs, just as happened when my own two kids when they were little, and in school. Although there are drugs that will slow the thinking process, but will this be a benefit to the child?

Well just don't pump him full of drugs. Let him get out and have some fresh air and socialise with other kids like him.... Oh wait, he's not like any other kid is he? Hmmm...

I am of the school that thinks no, this is not a good thing to do.

So am I... Does that make me deserving of the indigo title?

My best advice it find out what they like to do to pass time, and provide that for them.

Great advice. Sounds like normality to me.

My little boy is most happy when he is dis-assembling some electronic device...so I got through the trash looking for old VCRs, printers, and stereos.

So did my grandfather. He wasn't an indigo. Just curious like other kids. Clever yes... Indigo no.

My own son I taught how to be a mechanic, but along the way he taught himself way more than I could teach him.

Again so was my grandfather.

Again, I applaud you for what you are doing, pay no attention to the threads bashing Indigos in this forum, there are hate groups in every forum, this one is no exception.

Yeah pay no attention to any thread that challenges your own personal beliefs because that way you won't need to modify anything about your own life. Let's just tag any thread that dares question the indigo agenda as a hate thread.

yeah great...

If someone could take a moment...,

What precisely (or generally) defines an 'indigo' child?

I have little exposure to this subject.

Maan this thread got derailed fast.

We certainly shouldn't be indulging their fantasies. The disconnect they have with reality is not healthy. The sooner they come to terms with the real world, the better because it ain't going anywhere.

Not a bad observation, hence why I have not told these kids that they are in any way better or cooler than anyone else. As I clearly stated at the beginning, I merely wanted to know any advice to help these kids bloom since they seem to have much more potential than other kids their age.

I am not saying anything, but if you are known you may end up being tortured, thats real help.

Ingigo is just a new name for what people called witches years ago, still being burned at the stake.

What the hell is wrong with you? How did this ridiculous indigo nonsense get started anyway? You should be fired if you start babbling about this nonsense to kids. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to back up your claims. If you honestly are so easily fooled into thinking this nonsense is real then you should in no way be responsible for the safety of kids. Any criminal could fool you into thinking he was the Chosen One and take the kids away. Hopefully someone at your place of work finds out how crazy you are and ensures you will never be trusted with the safety of children again.

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...taking apart electronics? mechanic lessons?
that's all you have to do to be indiog?
Most kids I grew up with are indigo, cause of that, and the others, they cried a lot so they're indigo.
Every child i've ever met is indigo, so i don't think we can say there is "a way" to teach them.
My sister, who thinks she's an indigo, dropped outta school and is in therapy. She seems to think she's on the "right path", so maybe that'll work for them. Oh yeah, and she has no job either.
make sure they don't get jobs if they drop out, cause "living off of kindness" seems to be an indigo trait.
good luck!!!

I'm undecided on the Indigo Children front.

Some info I rustled up from Wikipedia:

Indigo children is a New Age concept developed by Nancy Anne Tappe describing children who are alleged to possess special traits or abilities. Beliefs about indigo children range from their being the next stage in human evolution, possessing paranormal abilities such as telepathy, to the belief that they are simply more empathetic and creative than their non-indigo peers. There is no science or studies that give credibility to the existence or traits of indigo children. Many children labeled "indigo" are diagnosed with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Skeptics suggest that the indigo phenomenon is due to parents preferring to believe their children are special, rather than having a medical diagnosis which implies damage or imperfection. Also criticized are the traits used to describe children, which have been compared to the Forer effect - so vague as to be able to apply to anyone.

The concept was initially developed in the 1970s, gaining popular interest with the publication of a series of books in the late 1990s and the release of several films in the following decade. A variety of books, conferences and related materials have been created surrounding the idea of indigo children, which have been criticized for a means of making money off of credulous parents.

en.wikipedia.org...

And the Forer Effect:

The Forer effect (also called personal validation fallacy or the Barnum Effect after P. T. Barnum's observation that "we've got something for everyone") is the observation that individuals will give high accuracy ratings to descriptions of their personality that supposedly are tailored specifically for them, but are in fact vague and general enough to apply to a wide range of people. This effect can provide a partial explanation for the widespread acceptance of some beliefs and practices, such as astrology, fortune telling, and some types of personality tests.

A related and more generic phenomenon effect is that of subjective validation.[1] Subjective validation occurs when two unrelated or even random events are perceived to be related because a belief, expectancy, or hypothesis demands a relationship. Thus people seek a correspondence between their perception of their personality and the contents of a horoscope.

en.wikipedia.org...

And some more:

"The Indigo Child is a boy or girl who displays a new and unusual set of psychological attributes, revealing a pattern of behavior generally undocumented before. This pattern has singularly unique factors that call for parents and teachers to change their treatment and upbringing of these kids to assist them in achieving balance and harmony in their lives, and to help them avoid frustration."

www.innerself.com...

I hadn't heard of the Forer Effect before, but it sounds interesting. . .

What about these "Starchildren"?? Are they one and the same as Indigos and Crystal children??

Boriska, the Indigo from Mars

That representatives of science are truly interested in Boriska is an unarguable fact. A doctor of physical-mathematical science, Professor Vladislav Lugovenko, of the Institute of Terrestrial Magnetism, Ionosphere and Radiowave Propagation (IZMIRAN) of the Russian Academy of Sciences, met with Boriska and invited him to Moscow for examination.
Some of Lugovenko's colleagues participated in the examination of the boy. Lugovenko conducts research into Indigo children in Russia and other countries, and considers they have been born on this planet over the past 20 years for a reason. Apparently these children are connected to the development of a future Earth civilisation.
"I am sure that, in the moral sense, Indigo children greatly differ from others their age," relates Dr Lugovenko. "They have an extraordinary sensitivity to any falseness, a development of intuition, telepathic powers and a connection to the cosmos. We can hope that the boy will fulfill his intended mission on Earth, about which neither he nor we can guess yet."

Nexus Australia, May 2008, Vol 15, No. 3

I think that kids with feelings of misplacement and loneliness are going to go looking for answers and come across this Indigo criteria and believe that it fits them - well, some of them, anyway. But I don't see much harm in that, quite frankly. I'm all for people finding "themselves" in their life quest, and I'm one of those people that believes people come across various things in their life for reasons only meant for them.
If this phenomenon is for real, then they will find something in themselves and flourish because they have found this information, but if not, then they will find another path to walk on. It's a learning process.

Present a buffet of experiences to see what each is drawn to on a repeated basis which will show where their talent lies. These are kids who need to be exposed to a very broad range of things and experiences.

Also, no baby or little kiddie talk. Some will give you the "are you crazy?" look because they want to be talked to in a normal tone of voice and manner.

They probably need more physical activity than kids are getting in day care and schools right now.

Also more classical type music and softer mellow modern music as I have noticed most have very acute hearing. Generally they do not like a lot of noise around them.

Originally posted by Maxmars
If someone could take a moment...,

What precisely (or generally) defines an 'indigo' child?

I have little exposure to this subject.

Autowrench:
Ok, I will bite. An Indigo is said to have an Indigo colored aura, instead of the usual blues and shades of blue and purple, and the reds. Trouble is, describing this to a person who most likely does not see auras is in effect just like telling a lie, isn't it? I do see auras on people, I can tell if a person is angry, strung out, stressed out, horny, or other emotions. How do I do this? Well, they have an energy field that is all about them, like a cloud, and it has color to it. I also have an acute sense of smell, which is a curse at times.

I have seen the dead all my life, and as a child, I spoke to them a lot, and they to me. This was a wholly natural thing for me, but for my mother, I was possessed by demons. I can channel beings from other dimensions, and speak with them, some have become friendly.
I am different from others I know, but the differences are difficult to spot, and unless I talk, or do certain other things, I can hide out with the normal people for the most part. Once I start talking, people sort of gather around to listen, and sometimes the words do not come from my mind. I can easily see most or all of a given situation, and although this makes others angry at me, it always pays off in the long run. I know when things like accidents are going to happen to my family and friends. sometimes it comes in a dream, but sometimes it is like a vision, it plays out before me, and always happens like I saw it. Too bad this doesn't work on a larger scale! I would venture to say this is how the prophets did it.

I can self heal, and have kept my body in good shape, even though I am 55 years old, I look much younger, still get guessed at 40-45, and have none of the normal maladies that a 50 year old man has, such as enlarged prostrate. I smoked cigs for 38 years, no black spots on my lungs, no cough, or shortness of breath. I have pulled through a broken neck, in three places, crushed chest and deflated lung, multiple broken ribs, and fingers, and a broken lower back. I walked around with a shattered L-4 Vertebra for several years, and today my lower back is fused and fixated with stainless steel rods and screws. I can walk five miles every day, and most days do.
I will walk to the store even if my truck has plenty of gas, I just like to walk.

There have been several instances with me, strange things happening to me, or because of me. There was one incident with a coffee maker that freaked out a good friend...who wanted nothing to do with me after that. I pointed at it, ordering it to hurry up, and it's little pump exploded. Hot coffee and steam went everywhere, it made a big mess. The mind is a most powerful thing, people, and I will say no more about it here.

My medical records are 9 inches thick, and makes for some interesting reading.
Even with all of the knowledge in my head, in many ways, I am but a child. I live not in the world, but do reside there for now, and spend a of of time in the Ether, in that peaceful place where there is no pain, no strife, no worry.

The thing is, I know that a regular human being can learn as much as I can, and can practice enough to be able to perform anything, and can enhance their own intelligence to an even higher point than I. the thing is, I easily chose the path of learning, and discovery, and most would never do this. I have read so many books I lost count many years ago, three or four a week even today. I require 5-6 sodas a day, plus sugar, 3 spoonfuls in every cup of coffee, plus any other sugared thing I may eat. If I do not get his, I grow really weak, go into seizures, and my blood sugar drops off the scale. I sleep very little, I mostly take naps all night. I astral travel a lot. and sometimes have to crawl back into my body upon my return.

These are some of the things that make me think I am an Indigo, that, and the visions. Take this as I wrote it, at face value, if you do not believe in us, you will never, and it doesn't matter if you do or not We are not here to please anybody, nor to do anyone's bidding. Speaking as an Indigo, I do not know exactly what my mission is, and I would bet no other Indigo knows either. I do know whatever it is, it is most important. And the controversy goes on, doesn't it? And why not, question everything, I always say. Love and light to All Beings.

How to help them? Give them a scrub brush and a bucket and have them scrub down public toilets for a week. That will serve to dispel the notion that they are somehow more important than anybody else.

Originally posted by Jenadots
Present a buffet of experiences to see what each is drawn to on a repeated basis which will show where their talent lies. These are kids who need to be exposed to a very broad range of things and experiences.

Also, no baby or little kiddie talk. Some will give you the "are you crazy?" look because they want to be talked to in a normal tone of voice and manner.

They probably need more physical activity than kids are getting in day care and schools right now.

Also more classical type music and softer mellow modern music as I have noticed most have very acute hearing. Generally they do not like a lot of noise around them.

I have noticed that these kids really like orchestra music and seem to despise rap more than I do.(it makes me vomit) Also I notice that these kids dont mind me listening to rave as long as the volume is down.
Possibly the best advice so far, problem is, that's what I'm already doing.

So far I had 3 kids under 12 years old putting together their own computers. Basically I told these kids that if they could scrounge together the parts, they could have their own computers. The parents could not afford anything like a PC for their kids, so to have these guys coming home with a machine they made themselves was pretty exciting for both the kids and their parents.

We spent several weeks just digging through trash along the streets until we had several computers, these kids also learned how to airbrush a case as the cases were in bad shape. I taught these guys how to rip apart, clean, and put a computer back together. By the time the computers were done, these kids had learned some practical lessons in one of the fastest growing fields. The other two kids I have been taking care of watched TV the whole time we did this, I think I need to put them on a treadmill or something

With this said, it shows that these kids should not be babied or told that they are better than everyone else, it shows that they just need a nudge in the right direction. To be honest, I think the indigo phenomenon is really more just a title for kids who have a mind that has matured faster than the norm.

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Thank you for being patient enough to explain.

MM

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Autowrench:
That is exactly what I was talking about! Our little boy already knows the principle components of a desktop PC, and understands what software is, he sits and watches me replace parts and load PCs, I am a PC repairman. At 7 years of age, he already has quite a collection of computer parts, I have raided it myself on occasion. He will one day build his own, just as I did after just a year online. When I was a child, computers did not yet exist, so my effort went into the American automobile. Lacking the funds to buy a new Muscle Car like my classmates had, I built my own from junk yard parts, and was able to compete with GTOs and Chevelles, and Torinos. That is the thing with an Indigo, they are very interested in some things, and have no interest at all in other things. For myself, I can put many hours into a project that interests me, but if it doesn't, forget it, I cannot give it a minute. My own son, who came to Earth in 1977, is now a very good mechanic and diagnostician, and drives a car he himself built, and I mean built from the ground up. It is a 1967 Oldsmobile 442 coupe with 455 HP and 4-spd. trans. The car is a hybrid, it runs on a combination of gasoline and Brown's gas, HHO. I just don't think he could, or would, be satisfied with a car built in a factory.

Originally posted by Maxmars
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Thank you for being patient enough to explain.
MM

Autowrench:
You are more than welcome. There are many Indigos in this forum, I think most have not yet found their voice, and their power to stand alone and present thoughts and theory to a group of skeptics who do not, and will never agree with anything they say. Patience I have learned the hard way. Spending a lot of time sitting in doctor's offices and hospitals teaches one to be patient real quick. Love and Light to All Beings.

No offense to anyone but I think a lot of these indigo people are probably low self esteem people and use this to feel better about themselves. I see no proof of "indigo children". I just went and read about them and I fit right in the profile of a indigo, but I dont believe in indigos and dont have to use that to make myself me feel special. When I was younger I was different than other kids and I've always been a creative person and a artist...etc..etc and I'm not no indigo. lol.


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