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Originally posted by Republican08
A person born into India would more likely than not, be a member of the Hindu group, as opposing the Muslim, Christianity or Islam group. This child will grow up to believe in Reincarnation, that his soul will again possess another body. He will follow under the false Indoctrination that his/her parents bestowed upon him/her, their own religion.
Vilayanur Ramachandran, has encountered a boy, aged not listed, who developed Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. This boy, discovered/thought he was god, or a different type of god, a Omnipotent being, he honestly believed that he had become a deity from a Disease referred to as Temporal Lobe Epilepsy.
The idea of a Deity, Constructer of the Universe are, images painted on a board, and must be regarded as such.
We do not believe that the Mona Lisa, is a divine being for the extreme feelings it bring us, along with the watchful eyes. We don’t consider her a deity, although we consider it a wonderful work of art.
This is a debate, we should wonder, what Theism does to us, and how it harms us as a whole.
Theists may have lower blood pressure along with other healthy statistics, but at the basis, does this help
humanity as a whole, would you have higher blood pressure to know you knew more then that of a person who proposed their beliefs and doubts to be answered by a god. God does know more good then a bed, some beds allow you to sleep better, and others are a bit uncomfortable, deities, like most allow humans, to be comfortable, by dismissing their wrong doings (sins).
Deities, are meaningless, even for agnostics they must assume, at the very least, that there is no god, personal or not, that it is either not there, or very secretive, which poses no more real, then spilling salt at your local Pizza Hut.
!) Is god a Eternal being?
2) Is a Deity, simply something one believes in off no proof, delusion almost.
3) Could we of not come about besides the need of a deity, if a deity needed it to be from him/her strictly, why the deity, why him/her, to create us?
Atheism, is the same as Sam Harris agrees as Non-Astrologers, Non-cosmologists. So on and so forth.
Atheism, is a belief in no deity, no belief in a higher power. There are a lot of people who don’t believe that
We are skeptics, we don’t believe in a god, and we refuse the idea of a god that created the Universe. A beautiful one at that. We can’t be so prone to an idea of a Deity that created the earth out of nothing.
That only God can create something out of nothing. Well (4th) Why can’t something come from nothing without a Deity/God.
This is my first debate so hopefully a good one.
An interesting point this brings up is that ALL religions, no matter where, are based on the same essential set of values: Higher Source of Creation, Accountability, Choice of Good & Evil. This basic "handbook of life" has been given to every culture in many variations.
Generally I agree that it is better not to indoctrinate children but let them decide for themselves what to study. One can make recommendations, but force-feeding religion is not beneficial. If the child does not take up religion as a matter of free choice, thats beside the whole point of religion anyway.
Are you implying that a belief in God or being Divine, means one suffers from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy?
The reason brain damage can lead to these higher states of consciousness is because the so-called ego-self which seperates itself from God, is temporarily impaired.
Who created the whiteboard for us to paint our images on? Why are we creative, why do we create if creation is no inherent quality of the Universe?
Why is it so important to atheists what others believe? Why do atheists not just let other people believe whatever they want to?
You are defending the position of the atheist perfectly.
Debate Question 2: What do you think about the idea that "Force causes Counter-Force"?
Good and evil, is speculative, one mans good is another mans evil
Children are being taught that 'The one and Only way to "Save" your soul is to believe in Jesus" for the Judeos, specifically. This is quite the burden to place on a child
'Susceptible Temporal Lobes', they pick up more on magnetic fields. They promote the feeling a someone behind you and the same. Now this explains feeling a presence. It's not, it's excitement going on in the Temporal Lobes.
their is no soul.
there is no need for a creator, he is as useless as us.
Creativity, is an evolutionary product. We must be quick and manage things other species couldn't. Spears, bow and arrows. Heck rocks were taking on a whole new meaning. Creativity was why some would live and some would die, breeding the creativity in us, further and further.
Because a ailing brain, is not good for our evolutionary track, it is not beneficial to have this in any way!
Why a child is undergoing chemo, the church simply prays for the boy, now no studies have shown that praying changes anything from templeton to gallop. They tend to have worse effects actually!
People spend their lifetimes trying to interpret the bible and make up excuses for why a god does exist. Now this time could well be spent, curing cancer, curing aids
Over 10% of American population are atheist
Majority of University professors atheist
IQ higher among atheists
Illiteracy rate lower among atheists
Poverty rate lower among atheists
9.11, Because people followed bush when he said god wanted him to invade iraq. So people will stop blowing themselves up in mosque and churches. So people atheists can keep their job without discrimination. So your sons in Iraq aren't beheaded.
Fox reporters even had to claim they weren't christian for fear of death.
(Debate Question 2: What do you think about the idea that "Force causes Counter-Force"?)
I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying here, if you could elaborate. I'm also running out of room.
In fact, I very much oppose telling children what to believe and I in fact do not mention my spiritual beliefs in the company of children.
If you`d at least say "I do not know whether it exists or not" one could take the atheist stance more seriously.
I quote this part in order to exemplify, for the reader, the apathetic mindset of the atheist. "Life is meaningless and you are useless" is the stuff atheists are made of.
I asked you why you say health improvement is not important/good and you answer "Because an unhealthy brain is not good". With all due respect, I do not understand the logic of this.
I always get a good laugh at the "my dick is bigger than yours" stance of atheists.
Psychologically speaking, the atheist first rebells against authority and then makes himself bigger than the authority.
The fact that is quite blatant is that explicitly atheistic countries such as the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea, have some of the highest rates of poverty, not lowest.
Your posts themselves are evidence of this.
which in turn causes an even more agressive brand of atheism.
The struggle as more to do with one group hating another. It all has very little to do with whether a Supreme Being and Higher Spiritual Realities exists or not.
Originally posted by Republican08
I wish you would partake in destroying religion
I would suppose you're very against the Pledge of Alligance in Schools, With " One nation Under God.?
I'd like to point out here for the readers. Had I said that I know not whether it exists, or does not exist, I would not of been taken seriously, either by me or Skyfloating. I would of been counted out as a agnostic.
I cannot ultimately prove that a deity doesn't exist
will bomb building and churches and mosque commit genocide, with you supporting them all the way.
A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth
A brain is the evolutionary pinnacle of life!
Until I read of the judaic god, hindu god, allah. and so on. Till barfing commences.
we all outgrew santa claus at one point or another. Or the elvis is still alive.
N. Korea, is...Far from an atheist society. LOL
According to Human Rights Watch, free religious activities no longer exist in North Korea as the government sponsors religious groups only to create an illusion of religious freedom. According to Religious Intelligence the situation of religion in North Korea is the following:
Irreligion: 15,460,000 adherents (64.31% of population, the vast majority of which are adherents of the Juche philosophy
and the most discriminated group of people (opposed to blacks, gays and jews, and all the others)
Debate Question 1. Why do you think, there not only must, but has to be a deity that created the universe we happen to live in.
Debate Question 2. What argument do you propose that suggests there must be a 'Creator', for our life to be.
Debate Question 3. What does your agnostic (if I may suppose nicely) belief in a being, offer more, then a belief in no god.
As atheist, tend to be kind to gays, and not wish damnation of eternal fire and brimstone upon them.
We must have an atheist organization, although we are very contrarian in nature, we are skeptic, but for some reason, it is seen as the seed of the 'devil',
No thanks. With wording like that you are actually building my case for me, namely that both fanatic religion and activist atheism are destructive forces, hence detrimental to humanity.
I dont believe in destroying other peoples belief-systems but in respecting them. This is based on the spiritual virtues of Love and Tolerance.
Again, this has nothing to do with religion, and even less to do with belief in a higher purpose of life. It has more to do with insanity. Allow me to remind us what religion is my quoting the Encyclopedia
Is it? Looking at the Universe in the night sky seems more awesome to me than looking at a fleshy brain.
Debate Question 3: What does Santa Clause have to do with peoples sincere study of theology and spirituality?
Debate Question 4: What do you gain from ridiculing and wanting to destroy millions of peaceful (not war-mongering!) and decent spiritual and religious practitioners?
Korean shamanism: 3,846,000 adherents (16% of population)
Cheondoism: 3,245,000 adherents (13.50% of population)
Buddhism: 1,082,000 adherents (4.50% of population)
Christianity: 406,000 adherents (1.69% of population)
Belief in a Supreme Being has nothing whatsoever to do with hatred of blacks, gays, jews, etc. Where do you get these strange ideas?
But the idea of all of this...being a product of coincidence rather than creative design...seems a little bit off to me...and a few other people.
I am only saying that agnosticism is of a higher intelligence than atheism.
I do not see atheism as the "seed of the devil"
“Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?”
– Douglas Adams
Challenge Match: Republican08 vs Skyfloating: "Atheism vs. Theism"
Well this was certainly an interesting debate…
I read Skyfloating’s opening and was suitably impressed as I expected to be with 2 such great members going at it, then I read Republican08’s and what the??? Was my first impression…
The opening should be where the fighter lays out their intentions and what they are going to present to us, the reader. I had no idea after reading Republican08’s post where he was going with this.
Disjointed and all over the place would be putting it mildly, I could only hope that he picked the pace up as the debate progressed, but this was certainly a rocky start.
I did notice that in the first reply, Republican08 exceeded the number of links allowed in the instructions at the beginning of the debate, but he did rally some from his opening statement. The link issue would prove to be a moot point… His answers to Skyfloating’s post were more on spot.
Skyfloating continued on presenting the material to support his case.
One thing that was instantly noticeable about the differences in approach, was that Republican08 gave examples of what “may” happen or used examples to illustrate his position, while Skyfloating attacked the very base of Atheism..
Skyfloating’s comment here:
You´re mixing up cause and effect, imo.
Was very indicative of a vast majority of the debate.
OK, let’s get this done…
This debate was a pure slam dunk…
The entire read felt as if republican08 was trying to convince himself he was an Atheist. Not supporting the position or attacking Theism.. It was actually strange to read for the most part as even the answers to Skyfloating’s questions were ramblings about his personal thoughts and not supportive of the position at all…
Skyfloating by a mile.
It started off really good, I was seeing it as tied during the intro. Then it looks like Republican08 was running out of a rubuttal. Skyfloating kept a strong defense after their equal ititial posts. So, going to say one vote in Skys favor.
Argued the best debate in my opinion, the other side started off great, but failed to keep a solid counter.
"Atheism vs. Theism"
, I think Skyfloating gave a far more coherant and planned debate, therefore I vote for Skyfloating in this Debate.