Originally posted by Guzzeppi
reply to post by kinda kurious

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Not YET. Iran is on the brink of nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by xmaddness
It is quite easy to nit pick the faults of any leader in any context. I would be willing to bet that the construction of similar lists for each and every president of the United States throughout history would be just as easy and seem just as "bad."


In fact, here is a "short" list for George Bush Jr.
This list, with full explanations of over 400 incidents can be found here.

1. Patient neglect at Walter Reed Army Hospital
2. US Attorney firings
3. Libby/Plame Affair (Outing a CIA agent)
4. Iraq war
5. Afghanistan (leaving before the job was done)
6. Iran saber rattling
7. North Korea (mishandling nuclear issue)
8. The War on Terror (failure to capture Osama bin Laden, dubious allies)
9. Civilian contractors in Iraq (poor service for big bucks)
10. Military Commissions Act (torture, kangaroo courts, indefinite detention, and loss of habeas corpus)
11. Hurricane Katrina and the drowning of New Orleans
12. NSA warrantless wiretapping
13. SWIFT (international money transfers)
14. Black sites and rendition
15. Department of Homeland Security (a massive boondoggle)
16. K Street lobbyists (for government you can buy)
17. Dusty Foggo (No. 3 at the CIA)

Now I'm sure you could find a similar list for Clinton, for Bush Sr., and so on and so forth.

All leaders are going to make mistakes, and will eventually do something that someone is not going to like. You simply cannot please everybody all the time.

Originally posted by Shades1035
He is ending the war in Iraq that was based on lies from the Bush administration and resulted in approx 800 000 civilians dead and thousands of US soldiers dead and wounded.

A war that was based on false pretense. A war that should have never occurred. He had no choice but to distance himself from that war.

He has already made progress in fixing the economy screwed up by the republicans. There are signs of recovery

Fixing the economy? He is spending like no other president in the history of this country. Recovery? When your taxes go up next year to pay for this spending, lets talk recovery.

He is introducing a national health care system. US was the only western country lacking one. For example the UK national health system has been a huge success. Here is Britains PM praising Obama's proposal today on CNN

I for one sure don't care what other countries leaders think of our policies on health care. They don't live here! We like freedom of choice here in America!



There are other things of course, but these I think are the main accomplishments...


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[edit on 14-8-2009 by Guzzeppi]

can a mod fix this? thanks!

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Originally posted by whoshotJR
reply to post by Revealation

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They are a very far spin on different events. Like kissing hug chavez on the cheek. In case you missed it they aren't friends.

Originally posted by Guzzeppi

Not YET. Iran is on the brink of nuclear weapons. They will have the ability to make 1 to 2 nuclear bombs by year end. Israel has promised it will not stand by and let Iran procure nuclear weapons. They will be at the brink of war by years end if the IAEA don't stop them.

isis-online.org...

Originally posted by argentus
I don't have any problem with the list passed on in the OP. What I do object to is it being tagged as "accomplishments". Now I realize a working definition of accomplishments doesn't necessarily mean they are all a positive effect, however it does imply that they are goals realized.

These list items are all things posed as negative or adverse events, and without a balance of positive events ALSO listed, I believe this qualifies as propaganda or at least a very biased document. It preaches to the choir.

I don't say this in support of President Obama, just in support of a sense of fairness.

I agree with you very much so. The dems and repubs are ONE in my book. There really is no separation of the two after they are elected to office, not until election time. There needs to be a new party established in this country. A party that is CLEAN from political corruption, but most importantly a party that can become strong without being swallowed up by the MSM and Washington. Ross Perot was the last to come close. The dems and the repubs are just plain DIRTY!