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Palin Leaves Behind Mismanaged AK Health Care System - Hundreds Die Waiting For Care

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:58 PM
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crooksandliars.com...


Perhaps Sarah Palin made that ridiculous statement about "Obama Death Panels" because she knew this story was going to break -- it was happening in her own state, right under her nose:

State programs intended to help disabled and elderly Alaskans with daily life -- taking a bath, eating dinner, getting to the bathroom -- are so poorly managed, the state cannot assure the health and well-being of the people they are supposed to serve, a new federal review found.

The situation is so bad the federal government has forbidden the state to sign up new people until the state makes necessary improvements. No other state in the nation is under such a moratorium, according to a spokeswoman for the federal Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services.

In the meantime, frail and vulnerable Alaskans who desperately need the help are struggling. One elderly woman is stuck in a nursing home, for lack of care at home. Another woman, suffering from chronic pain and fatigue, said she's so weak, she often can't even pop dinner into the microwave.

This is the GOP's alternative to a public or universal option. Sarah wants to talk about evil socialist plans that will kill people, but I betcha she doesn't want to talk about the hundreds of Alaskans who died waiting for these services.

A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help. Read on...

In honor of the people of Alaska who died on her watch, Sarah Palin needs to stop makin' stuff up about health care reform, and apologize for screwing things up and then running away when the going got tough.


Wow... now that fits the pattern. Accuse others of exactly what you are guilty of.


Go figure....




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:09 PM
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As much as the MSM loves to crucify Palin, why isn't this all over the national news? I'm not trying to be smarmy, but is this the only source you have?

edit to add: It's innocent until proven guilty. Have criminal charges been brought against her?

[edit on 8/13/2009 by soldiermom]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Provocative title.... what data is this based upon?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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Oh boy, where to begin with this big pile of garbage.


First of all, the story you cite is clearly biased because they link to the original article and the original article does not even mention Palin.

Here is the original article:
Troubled Alaska health programs face federal restriction

Secondly, Palin did not initiate these programs. These were in place well before she got into office and while she did clean up a lot of the mess, she cannot do everything.

Thirdly, Since these program the article mentions have been around for awhile, it is disingenuous to say they are a GOP program which again reflects my first point.

4th: Let's take a closer look at the original article and NOT the biased one you cited.


The services are paid for by Medicaid, the state-federal health program for the poor and the disabled, and overseen by the state Division of Senior and Disabilities Services. Individuals qualify based on income and need. Private contractors do most of the work. The programs cost about $250 million this year, with the federal government currently paying 61 percent of the bill.


Wow

This is really a medicaid federal program. The person who controls the money controls the laws and regulation.

The article states: Individuals qualify based on income and need.

Welcome to Obamacare people with the rationing of healthcare!! This is what will happen nation wide if Obamacare becomes law.


You just made the argument against the current healthcare bill.
THANKS!! I realize your intention was to demean Palin for no reason, but in your zest and bias, you mistakenly argued against your own point of view and helped your opponents. Good job!
Funny!!
Brilliant!!


[edit on 8/13/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Ugh. Never mind. It's a completely biased blog. Not news at all.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
reply to post by soldiermom
 


Provocative title.... what data is this based upon?



A particularly alarming finding concerns deaths of adults in the programs. In one 2 1/2 year stretch, 227 adults already getting services died while waiting for a nurse to reassess their needs. Another 27 died waiting for their initial assessment, to see if they qualified for help.


Link courtesy of Sauron:

www.adn.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm trying to find where adn is getting these stats.

[edit on 13 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:19 PM
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My sentiments exactly. I get so tired of people posting garbage like this as factual, when in reality, it's nothing but smear.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:22 PM
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Read the above article ...

So far as I can see no AK official is contesting the numbers or the problem. They are just saying they will try to do better.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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Atleast he stated what he thought about her before trying to blast her.

Oh well, people see Palin in an article that says bad stuff and rarely finish it or research it before posting it on ATS.

I expected as much from Hunka, but expected a little more from an ATS mod.

Edit to correct a mistake. I mistaken a forum mod for a super mod. Don't hold it against me.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jd140]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by jd140
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Oh well, people see Palin in an article that says bad stuff and rarely finish it or research it before posting it on ATS.


Did you even read the original article I posted above?


I expected as much from Hunka, but expected a little more from a super mod.





posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Did you even read the original article I posted above?

Did you?

This plan has been around a lot longer than Palin but let's take a closer look at the original article:


The services are paid for by Medicaid, the state-federal health program for the poor and the disabled, and overseen by the state Division of Senior and Disabilities Services. Individuals qualify based on income and need. Private contractors do most of the work. The programs cost about $250 million this year, with the federal government currently paying 61 percent of the bill.


Wow

This is really a medicaid federal program. The person who controls the money controls the laws and regulation.

The article states: Individuals qualify based on income and need.

Welcome to Obamacare people with the rationing of healthcare!! This is what will happen nation wide if Obamacare becomes law.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:30 PM
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I read it.

Instead of rehashing what has already been said I will direct you to the post written by WhatTheory.

No need to be confused. Just tell me what you don't get by what I wrote and I will do my best to ease your confusion.

edit to add-

WhatTheory took it on himself to rehash. Its posted twice, hope that helps your confusion a little better.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jd140]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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So let me get this straight ...

I give you and WT $61 to buy dinner, you tack on another $39, and it's my fault when you starve to death?

Oh dear ...

Oh and jd, who's this supermod you're referring to?


[edit on 13 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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The first thing that strikes me, about this story, is that it is more evidence that government is not capable of effectively administering a health care program.

Also, if you follow the link, on the original source, to the original article

www.adn.com...

you will find this paragraph:

An earlier attempt to reform the personal care assistance program may have inadvertently created some of the current trouble. After costs soared from $8 million a year in fiscal 2000 to $80 million five years later, the Legislature ordered the state Department of Health and Social Services to control the spending. The state eventually decided to hire its own nurses to determine who needed how much care. The cost of that program dropped.


From 12/1994 to 12/2002, the Alaskan Governor, Tony Knowles(D) and from 12/2002 to 12/2006, Governor Frank Murkowski (R), controlled the purse strings.

This appears to suggest Governor Palin 'inherited' the problem, rather than being accountable. It, also, appears both political parties can share the blame.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:35 PM
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Wow the dems must really be in fear of Sarah Palins potential to grab the White House. They have to try to tie her to some mess that existed long before she arrived. When will all the lies and fear mongering of the Dems ever end.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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Try a person who owns 61% of something has controlling ownership of that buisness.

Whoever has controlling ownership is at fault when that company goes bankrupt. But as with all things that goes bad, crap rolls downhill.

edit to add-

You are right, it wasn't a super mod. Just a forum mod.

I will edit my mistake accordingly.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jd140]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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Read the above article ...

So far as I can see no AK official is contesting the numbers or the problem. They are just saying they will try to do better.


Article above was read. The operative words are "Alaskan officials". No matter how anyone tries to justify it, it's a clear attack on Palin. Otherwise, his title would've mentioned Alaskan officials. The appropriate title should have been

Troubled Alaska health programs face federal restriction
from the original article.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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I agree, both sides could use a little less sensationalism these days ...

It dilutes the debate and nothing is achieved.

Perhaps that is intentional no?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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This was confusing. I had accidentally 'ignored' a poster and was missing part of the dialogue. Excuse me.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:57 PM
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Couldn't agree more!
Cooler heads prevail, but they seem to be nowhere in attendance these days.



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