Almost every story having to do with the ME is israeli propaganda.

It's not "Jew" propaganda as there are many Jews so see the errors in israels ways and denounce israel as much as Arabs do.

I have friends who are Jewish that find israel more abhorrent than I do since non-Jewish Zionists are tainting their religion.

You know what my friend said to me a few weeks back? Ill share it with you guys/gals. Because it was funny as heck! lol.

We discussed Israel for like 3 minutes, and I said something like this "Look I know they are our American allies and everything, but man they sure are causing us a lot of trouble."

And he replied to me "Ya, Israel is like the little brother who keeps yelling the N word at everyone..."

Keep in mind this friend is a hard core conservative Texan. Which makes it all the more funny!

Originally posted by muzzleflash
You know what my friend said to me a few weeks back? Ill share it with you guys/gals. Because it was funny as heck! lol.

We discussed Israel for like 3 minutes, and I said something like this "Look I know they are our American allies and everything, but man they sure are causing us a lot of trouble."

And he replied to me "Ya, Israel is like the little brother who keeps yelling the N word at everyone..."

Keep in mind this friend is a hard core conservative Texan. Which makes it all the more funny!

LULZ!

That is funny!

Nice analogy there by the Texan, not too fond of the state but the people for the most part are great.

Well, at least a couple of you watched the video.

I found it to be some what educational, got me to check the facts they threw around.

Star, and flag for you tackling a taboo topic. I've touched upon this, but there is so much ignorance; you spend most of your time fighting over redefining people's minds, ideologies, and ****definitions***...

eg.
zionism doesn't equal Jew exclusively, it equates to anyone supporting the Israel. Tom Delay, and Joe Biden among others are staunch ZIONIST'S. Also see Christian Zionism...aka....serious death cult.

Semite is not exclusive to a Jew. It is also the defining part of who the Lebanese, and Palestinians are.

I found your video funny, couldn't finish watching it, as it was SERIOUS Zionist propaganda. Interesting title, I thought it was a video by Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com. I absolutely believe the title was a 'play' on his site. The Jerusalem Post has openly written articles on him, his site, and WHERE HE LIVES...... Like it was somekind of warning to him.

They've also picked on the guy running Desert Peace. They mentioned his home location as well.

I've signed up for the Jerusalem Post, and the Debka news letters. Sometimes they send out a call to fellow Zionists.......they prey on you being a Jew, and part of their team.

The news letters especially during times of bad press for Israel, would freak you out. They openly ask you to spam anti Israel sites.

Good topic.

By the way, that video almost made me puke.



That is only one side of the story, and has israel begging for pity.

What do they expect from this, that people will come away like;

"Aww, I feel so bad that out of the thousands of rockets, 21 israelis died over 7 years.

I feel so bad that israel has provoked people to the point that they are strapping grenades to home made rockets and attaching bombs to themselves just to avenge what you have done to them.

After watching that movie, I will back everything israel does, whether it's killing civilians or lying about it later."

Nothing but a LARGE waste of time begging for pity and an aggressor trying but failing to look like a victim.

This is kindergarten mentality !

'When God said ' ??????


Think it through, huh ?


' When God said ' ????



Were you there ?

Did he say it to you ?



Ok. Now think it through again.


WHO is the 'reporter' here ?

Who is claiming to be accurately reporting what God allegedly said ?

That's RIGHT ! Those telling the tale are those who've been using it to their own advantage since year dot.


I can tell you that God 'said' that the State of Utah belongs to Mormons FOREVER .. now and in ten thousand years --- and that Utahns are 'God's chosen people' now and forever. And that Utahns are therefore entitled to SAY ANYTHING THEY DAMN WELL LIKE AND IT IS TRUTH .. NOW AND FOREVER.

There you go. Burn that into your brain. Send money to Utah. Don't ever disagree with Utahns or you'll be shipped overseas and forced to stand a mock trial where your own lawyer is not allowed to argue in your defence.

If you say ONE WORD against Utahns from now on -- you will be branded an Anti-Utahn and you WILL be punished.

Furthermore, Utahns from now on will dominate US politics, even though YOU are paying the taxes, paying for everything, pay, pay, pay.

And Utahns will be able to denigrate your religion in forums and across the globe .. and that will be ok. But don't you DARE say anything about Utahns, or again, you'll be branded an 'Anti Utahn' and you'll be in big strife.

And the reason for this should be crystal clear to you. It's because 'God said' that Utahns can get away with blue murder and you ... YOU .. will be exploited and kept with your hands tied behind your backs and tape across your mouth.

Because 'God said', that's why.


Utahns SAID that 'God said'. Got it.

'God said' ????


Next thing you need to ask yourself is 'Which God ' ?

Because there have been a heck of a lot of gods on this planet, all with supporters who've claimed 'Our god is the Big god .. and he likes us best ... and he's the real god, so ner ner '.


Which God ?


Does your god play favourites ?

Is your god a vengeful, unforgiving sadist with a big ego ?

Does your god delight in human suffering and cause wars and stack the deck against the vulnerable and innocent ?

Is your god a blood-crazed lunatic who orders you to slit your kid's throat to prove you love god the best ?

Does your god approve of paedophilia and pornography and does he agree it should be peddled around to corrupt as many as possible ?

Does your god cut entire towns' water and electricity supplies off, just because he can and has the rest of the world too intimidated and bluffed to call him out and slap him in the chops ?

Does your god send out his soldiers against those he's already stolen from and victimised for 60 plus years and then approve when they # on kids' school desks and in their computers ?

Is your god the god of lies, of manipulation and exploitation, of theft, of hate, of insanity, of mindless whining and of playing victim when he's actually the perpetrator ?


No ? Your god isn't like that ? Your god has intelligence higher than that of goat-herding misogynists 3000 years ago. Good. I should hope so.

Your god is fair, impartial, does not play favourites ? Good. Then you chose wisely.

Your god wouldn't wipe his feet on tracts that claim to be an honest record of his words and works ? Good. Your god sounds ok to me.



Alrighty then. Seems you were lied to when told that 'God said' this or that.

Sure. It might have been SOMEONE'S god. Their god. Their god whom they fashioned in THEIR own image. Their god, who funnily enough seems to have the same nasty mind-set as themselves.

You were TOLD that man was made in God's image, right ?


What they HAVEN'T told you --- is that this Old Testament 'god' they preach was actually made in MAN's image. In THEIR image. He's as flawed as THEY are.

There are gods and gods, remember. Choose carefully.

My god, for example, wouldn't walk on the same side of the street as the god presented for your scrutiny in the Old Testament.

That being the case, I am under NO obligation to pay lip-service to that god who is merely a reflection of those nasty old bastards who slapped together the bunch of rubbish that is peddled as the Old Testament.

My god wouldn't have the Old Testament in the house. He'd throw it in the garbage can with a laugh.

My god is a god worth knowing. He's great. He's GOD. the REAL one.


Buyer Beware. Don't fall for cheap, imitation gods. There's only one original. And It does NOT play favourites.

Enough off topic posts, the thread is about the propaganda. Not what some ubernatural deity allegedly may have said.



Talk about taboo topics...sheesh.

Well your doce pesos are worth more, than our US dollar in my opinion.

I'm glad to see this topic being discussed, but when I see two members devolve to bickering trollish drivle I become disappointed.

They are both guilty of the biggest problem we face. Which by the way was mentioned by a couple of members. That pattern would repeat and drain this thread of it's original purpose.

The examination of "propaganda", not saying we should disregard the (insert deity) vs (ditto) type bs that we see all the f'n time.

That is not productive, or given much patience by those tho know better.

People will see, hear and acknowledge that wich they are comfortable with. When confronted with an opposing or slightly different perspective, they seem to become offended and often resort to misdirected immature act's of insult.

That is not denying ignorance, any one elses or your own.

So, back to what was being said. Yes, the conflict may have religio- fanacticism involved, but what culture with rivals doesn't. It's the oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer and they will fight each other instead.

Proliferation of mass ignorance if you will.

But it isn't always about faith, there are always multiple factors and that must be noted and looked into.

So, maybe a deeper study of this is in order. Perhaps a research project presenting both sides of the story would help.

Very well made video, its always good to the other side to the story and interesting for me as I generally tend to side with the Palestinians during debates. How much of this stuff is true I'm not sure as it never gave any criticism of Israel, so it is likely biased. Mainly anti Arab statements, not pro jewish but pro zionist.

I'd like to verify some of the "facts" presented in this video, but tbh I've never really been that good at it, any tips?

One factor that I think important is time, the next generation of Israelis + Palestinians are being raised by their parents to regard the other side as completely wrong = solutions will be harder to find.

Its been going on long enough that the reasons for the dispute is slowly being forgotten.

Simply look at any - and I mean any - atlas from previous decades or century and Palestine is ALWAYS marked - clear as mud - I have seen Roman maps with Palestine on it - in fact the author of the video stated that Jews lived in Palestine .....but it never existed -

Remember France was occupied and mart of the Nazi GErman empire - but it doesn't mean France never existed because it was formed out of the former Nazi empire - it was still France ...

Anyway - just so you know. There are lots of maps online - check them out - they all show the same thing - pre 1947. Further the actual UN declaration of Israel states that it would be formed out of Palestine - the British Mandate of Palestine -