posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 03:46 PM
reply to post by Sestias
I've already explained how the subject provisions go FAR BEYOND end of life counselling. So I won't address again why the plan was drivel.
It's not just about the elderly and infirm making their own choice, regardless of faith.
It's about letting someone else make that decision altogether.
President Obama wants a third party to determine value of life v. cost of life in treatment of the elderly and infirm:
I think that there is going to have to be a conversation that is guided by doctors, scientists, ethicists. And then there is going to have to
be a very difficult democratic conversation that takes place. ... And that’s part of why you have to have some independent group that can give you
"After the Great Recession"
New York Times Magazine, April 28, 2009 (published in print May 3, 2009)
Obama advocates rationing and the use of third parties to determine cost and necessity of treatment, rather than the patient or guarantor. Read the
article to see what he says about his own grandmother's care!
As for this being about party and ideology, why not consider what Salon writer Camille Paglia says:
Obama’s Healthcare Horror www.salon.com...
Heads should roll – beginning with Nancy Pelosi’s
You can keep your doctor; you can keep your insurance, if you're happy with it, Obama keeps assuring us in soothing, lullaby tones. Oh, really?
And what if my doctor is not the one appointed by the new government medical boards for ruling on my access to tests and specialists? And what if my
insurance company goes belly up because of undercutting by its government-bankrolled competitor? Face it: Virtually all nationalized health
systems, neither nourished nor updated by profit-driven private investment, eventually lead to rationing.
(emphasis gleefully added)
Oh, and what does the liberal Salon and its blogger say about Palin?
As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a
soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable
decisions about the disabled and elderly. ... On reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the
electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of
life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the
Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished.
But wait! It's the right wing extremeists that just won't listen, right?
And what do Democrats stand for, if they are so ready to defame concerned citizens as the "mob" -- a word betraying a Marie Antoinette
delusion of superiority to ordinary mortals.
Somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all
bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and
Web sites at the Obama administration's outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable "casual conversations" to the White
I was stunned at the failure of liberals to see the blatant totalitarianism in this incident, which the president should have immediately denounced.
His failure to do so implicates him in it.
So. It's the right's fault if this bill fails?
Camille thinks otherwise:
I just don't get it. Why the insane rush to pass a bill, any bill, in three weeks? And why such an abject failure by the Obama administration to
present the issues to the public in a rational, detailed, informational way?
How is it possible that Democrats, through their own clumsiness and arrogance, have sabotaged healthcare reform yet again? Blaming
obstructionist Republicans is nonsensical because Democrats control all three branches of government. It isn't conservative rumors or lies that are
stopping healthcare legislation; it's the justifiable alarm of an electorate that has been cut out of the loop and is watching its representatives
construct a tangled labyrinth for others but not for themselves.
[edit on 13-8-2009 by jdub297]