reply to post by tezzajw
Actually a few of the twitters on #iranelection have consistently provided accurate and useful information that has been confirmed.
Certain bloggers have also done the same.
These aren't just the odd piece of gossip every weekend, information flow is consistent and people like Michael Ledeen obviously has contacts with
insider knowledge.
Other bloggers from inside Iran are also providing consistent information that students who have travelled abroad to the UK from Iran have discussed
and seen first-hand.
If you only attention to the odd snipets, then it's difficult to follow the situation. Yet it all adds together and becomes a more clear picture as
time progresses.
[edit on 26-10-2009 by john124]
Missing ship may have secret cargo, page 49
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reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:20 PM by ArMaP
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I think the "negotiations" could be related to this, posted some pages back in a link.
Apparently the owners are not interested in getting the ship back, but Malta just gives the licences and do not want the ship either.
I think the "negotiations" could be related to this, posted some pages back in a link.
The Authority said it instructed the owner of the M/V Arctic Sea that the ship could not proceed to sea until any necessary repairs, surveys and certification were carried out and it was ascertained that the ship was in a seaworthy condition.Source
"With reference to claims in the press that the ship was due to be handed over to the Maltese Authorities, Malta as the flag State of the ship, has always maintained that it has no right to assume the ownership of the ship since it is not the rightful owner of the ship and therefore the ship should be handed over to the shipowner as the rightfUL owner of the ship," the MMA said.
Apparently the owners are not interested in getting the ship back, but Malta just gives the licences and do not want the ship either.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 04:59 PM by smurfy
I do think that even good media sources are often speculative, and you often have to cut your way through the journalistic chaff to find any
substance. Iran and Russia already have an agreement for Russia to supply fuel to Iran on the guarantee that the spent fuel is returned to Russia, so
i'll speculate that there is plenty of scope for Iran to cream off some of it. Actually it's very kind of Russia to take back the nasty stuff
no doubt they would have a use for it elsewhere.
www.chinadaily.com.cn...
You will see also in this report from 2005 that the "secret" facilities were well known back then.
This second link is from 2003. It deals with the realities of Iran being able to reprocess the depleted fuel and acknowledges the need for hidden facilities, (probably known then also)
www.iranwatch.org...
Iran may well have used the black market in the past, but I think that time is past.
If Iran does want to produce nuclear weapons then they will be on the first step with a reactor up and running.
no doubt they would have a use for it elsewhere. www.chinadaily.com.cn...
You will see also in this report from 2005 that the "secret" facilities were well known back then.
This second link is from 2003. It deals with the realities of Iran being able to reprocess the depleted fuel and acknowledges the need for hidden facilities, (probably known then also)
www.iranwatch.org...
Iran may well have used the black market in the past, but I think that time is past.
If Iran does want to produce nuclear weapons then they will be on the first step with a reactor up and running.
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 05:05 PM by smurfy
reply to post by ArMaP
Must have a look and see who actually is the rightful owner, the Solchart Agency does not appear to be the owner, although some affiliated company with a similar name could.
I found this,
"The Arctic Sea is primarily owned by a Malta-based company, Arctic Sea Ltd., belonging to a Finnish company Oy White Sea Ltd. [3] This company is owned and run by Victor Matveev (Viktor Matvejev), a Russian citizen living in Finland. [4] Matveev is also the CEO and a major shareholder of Oy Solchart Management Ab, a Finnish company that manages the Arctic Sea's cargo operations and has a subsidiary Solchart Arkhangelsk Ltd in Russia "
If this is correct, then the Arctic Sea belongs to the Maltese company. So they don't want it and their Finnish affiliates don't want it. What is it that everyone doesn't want!
[edit on 26-10-2009 by smurfy]
Must have a look and see who actually is the rightful owner, the Solchart Agency does not appear to be the owner, although some affiliated company with a similar name could.
I found this,
"The Arctic Sea is primarily owned by a Malta-based company, Arctic Sea Ltd., belonging to a Finnish company Oy White Sea Ltd. [3] This company is owned and run by Victor Matveev (Viktor Matvejev), a Russian citizen living in Finland. [4] Matveev is also the CEO and a major shareholder of Oy Solchart Management Ab, a Finnish company that manages the Arctic Sea's cargo operations and has a subsidiary Solchart Arkhangelsk Ltd in Russia "
If this is correct, then the Arctic Sea belongs to the Maltese company. So they don't want it and their Finnish affiliates don't want it. What is it that everyone doesn't want!
[edit on 26-10-2009 by smurfy]
reply posted on 26-10-2009 @ 10:41 PM by smurfy
Yet another company is named as the Arctic Seas's owner called Aquachart, but if you look at their website, you will see they are just another agency
and most likely affiliated to Solchart et al. They don't claim any ownerships but only management services, and I can't see a mention of the Arctic
Sea anyway.
www.aquachart.lv...
Now for some questions,
A big Russian fleet sent to find Arctic Sea..which was never missing,
Answer= rubbish story as to the outcome.
Gazprom, a state owned Russian company has offices in Algeria. Executve of Gazprom is/was Dmitri Medvedev Russian President.
Answer= ?
www.aquachart.lv...
Now for some questions,
A big Russian fleet sent to find Arctic Sea..which was never missing,
Answer= rubbish story as to the outcome.
Gazprom, a state owned Russian company has offices in Algeria. Executve of Gazprom is/was Dmitri Medvedev Russian President.
Answer= ?
reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 12:21 PM by wayno
reply to post by smurfy
Liability!
They do not want to be held liable for whatever was on that boat, for having a role in transporting whatever was on that boat, for having anything to do whatsoever with ...
because whatever was on that boat was something much more controversial than just wood.
I guess I am just stating the obvious; although we still do not know exactly what that extra cargo was.
What is it that everyone doesn't want!
Liability!
They do not want to be held liable for whatever was on that boat, for having a role in transporting whatever was on that boat, for having anything to do whatsoever with ...
because whatever was on that boat was something much more controversial than just wood.
I guess I am just stating the obvious; although we still do not know exactly what that extra cargo was.
reply posted on 27-10-2009 @ 05:15 PM by ArMaP
reply to post by smurfy
From what I have seen, it looks like the "system" works this way:
1 - Someone creates a company in Malta
2 - They buy and register a ship in Malta
3 - They change the ship's name to the same as the company name
4 - They create another company to manage the ship's operations
5 - If the same person(s) want to use another ship they make another company and repeat the steps.
From what I have seen, it looks like the "system" works this way:
1 - Someone creates a company in Malta
2 - They buy and register a ship in Malta
3 - They change the ship's name to the same as the company name
4 - They create another company to manage the ship's operations
5 - If the same person(s) want to use another ship they make another company and repeat the steps.
Shipmates of course wont rat on him because he saved them all.reply posted on 6-11-2009 @ 03:37 PM by smurfy
Apologies if some of the material has been posted already, however this is a new link, and with info I hadn't seen before. Two items in the link, the
timber is not hardwood it is pine, and hidden under the pine there was a launch, (does that make the original hi-jack story more plausible?) If the
Pine story is true, then the wood cargo would hardly be worth the trip in the first place,
edjayepstein.blogspot.com...
Here, is a second link which describes how the Arctic Sea "disappears" on a regular basis, and for as long as. It seems it is a regular occurance as far as tracking any ship is concerned. The item about Kaliningrad contained here could probably be ignored since there is purported to be substantial arms of all sorts in Kaliningrad itself,
johnhelmer.net...
[edit on 6-11-2009 by smurfy]
edjayepstein.blogspot.com...
Here, is a second link which describes how the Arctic Sea "disappears" on a regular basis, and for as long as. It seems it is a regular occurance as far as tracking any ship is concerned. The item about Kaliningrad contained here could probably be ignored since there is purported to be substantial arms of all sorts in Kaliningrad itself,
johnhelmer.net...
[edit on 6-11-2009 by smurfy]
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