posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 04:37 AM
A good point has come up in the last 5 pages of the discusion. The question is; why didn't anyone else help the woman? It is my opinion that people
do not help for two reasons. The reasons are:
1. People are afraid of law suits.
2. Everyone also believes that the police will find some crime to charge them with.
Basically, on every front you look, civil and criminal people believe that if they are a 'Good Samaritan' they will be in trouble. It is true many
states now have 'Good Samaritan' laws but they are mainly there to protect people with medical training. Doctors, R.N.'s, EMT's are excused from
any liability when they help someone outside of their duty. The same is not true for individuals or the general public: they are liable. People are
afraid to help on a civil level.
The criminal side of the house scares the public as well. The public is of the opinion if they help they could be:
1. Charged with interfering.
2. Cops will associate them with a crime/crimes the person they innocently help may be guilty of or involved in doing.
3. The public is also afraid of angering the cops so that they become walking targets for the police.
4. Generally accused of anything. For example, the person helped had 500.00 dollars cash and now doesn't. If an EMT or another cop took it the person
who is the civilian becomes an attractive fall guy.
People are afraid of being accused of something criminal. People are afraid of being liable civily. Therefore, it is my opinion people don't help for
the above mentioned reasons. Cops rarely think of this because they act with impunity on/off duty.
Another good point someone brings up is that she may have been deaf. Has anyone found out for sure? Anyways, obviously the verbal commands were
useless for some reason. The deaf/hard of hearing thought should have crossed over that officers mind. Women in their senior years are infamous for
losing their hearing.
Most of you know I am not a cop lover, especially when they pull these antics. However, I got pulled over by the Orange, CA police. They are well
known and dreaded by everyone (If you do not believe that read Orange v Brown in the Supreme Court filings. This case gives cops the right to search
your car without consent.). I stopped immediately and he told me to make a right on the next residential street. I did, stopped, put the car in park
and started rolling down the windows. The officer told me I had a tail light out (I didn't know that.). He was professional, courteous, joking and
pleasant to talk to about cars. It could have been a knock down drag out fight if he was a jerk. I am relating this story because it is my opinion if
someone like the officer who pulled me over had been there the poor old woman would not have been hurt. Mentally functioning or not the responding
officer showed no respect towards this woman. When I think of this woman's age I realize she probably had a young boyfriend go fight in WW2, saw
rationed goods, Korea, Vietnam, the sexual revolution, Bernie Goetz and the list goes on she must have been pretty tough going through tough times and
she deserves our respect. In the flash of a forgetful Alzheimer's state she was disrespected.
Another question that comes up from who I am guessing are LEO's on this board is 'What would you have done?'. I have been in a showdown with death
twice in my life. One time, I was dead for a couple of minutes. Between a cursed family, combat and later in life health issues from bad genetics I
have been around enough death. Personally, my answer to your question is this: I would have approached the lady after holstering my weapon. I would
have identified myself. I would of tried to ascertain if she could hear. If she could hear I would talk to her and then ask for the knife. If she
didn't give it to me I would repeat the process. I would look during this time for an opportunity to grab the knife. If she became violent and I had
to act I would get the knife from her at all costs while protecting her from injury. If that meant getting in harms way, getting cut or hurt so be it.
That is better than me hurting an 84 year old lady who was alone, bewildered, forgetful and very scared.
On another note, people who say we should not judge the cops and we should especially not judge the cops if we haven't been a LEO or walked 'in
their shoes' have a very poor argument and are hypocrites. Let me make it crystal clear; the police work FOR us. We The People ARE your employers and
we have the right to know how, what, when and where you are doing the jobs we created. As with any employer/employee relationship we have the ability,
the right, to comment or criticize any and all things you do in our name. Secondly, isn't part of being a LEO making judgement calls most especially
about people? Is it necessary for a cop to become a drug dealer before he can make a judgement call? Obviously not, however that is exactly what you
are asking everyone else to do when we The People question you. It is hypocritical in that you are making judgement calls everyday but when you are
questioned you say we can not do the same unless we do the job. Following that logic a guy who robbed a few 7-11's could say you can't judge me
because you have never robbed a 7-11. We do not need to be LE to make a judgement call about LE.
Enough said by me. Any comments except angry, rude haters are welcome. As stated previously these views are only my opinion however please consider