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Holy Blood, Holy Grail

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posted on May, 24 2004 @ 07:18 AM

Originally posted by Valhall

Having read almost every book on the subject I have to point out that this "huge bounds in logic" trend is in EVERY theory that has been produced around Rennes.

Agreed. But in the rush to create a religious conspiracy theory, the authors seem to have jumped over logic for far more elaborate explanations.

The whole book seems to revolve around the Prieure de Scion. The authors admit, time and time again, that this organisation is playing with them - feeding them pieces true or false information here and there, pointing them in one direction and then the next. And yet they take pieces of this evidence and say "This is how it is". Sure, they try to check the authenticity, but by their own admissions they have been duped by the Prieure de Scion many times. It seems that they just picked a bit of this and a bit of that to actually create a working theory. But if just one bit is false, their whole case falls apart and that is what I believe happens with HBHG. How can anyone trust "evidence" given to the authors by a group which they admit themselves has been playing with them?

The whole premise of the book is that Jesus didn't die on the cross, got married, had children, they moved to Europe and are now waiting in the wings to take over the world. It's pure speculation!!!! I mean, what evidence is there for Jesus even existing, let alone the sequence of events that supposedly follow?

There is absolutely nothing in the book which is concrete evidence and would point to a Holy Grail. There is absolutely nothing that ties this theory into reality. The book is just a mass of "ifs" that the authors then state as fact to back up their theory before moving on to another "if".

I don't dispute that there may be some sort of conspiracy that took place at Rennes De La Chateau. Certainly Sauniere's supposed wealth is an eyebrow raiser, but there really is no evidence whatsoever that he was in any way tied into the Holy Grail.

This doesn't take away the fact that HBHG is a good read. I found it to be entertainment though. Nothing more.

posted on May, 31 2004 @ 09:11 PM

Originally posted by BasementAddix
Anyone read this book?...Im about 1/3 through it and Im wondering if half the stuff is legit....Does anyone have any backing as to the catholic church really hiding some of the material stated?

These guys are full of crapola... Please see our free video called the Pharmacratic Inquisition... then finish reading that book. You'll have a good laugh.

posted on May, 31 2004 @ 09:47 PM
Little bo peep
has lost her sheep
and doesnt know where to find them
Leave them alone
and they will come home
wagging their tails behind them

posted on Jun, 2 2004 @ 03:30 PM

Amanita muscaria, long associated with the "Flesh of the God" in religious sacraments, was and is the true Holy Grail. The Grail cup, holding the blood of the god, is an obvious analogy for the shape of the fully-grown specimen and its juices. Note the look of the fully grown specimen. The imagery of a cup or fountain are two of the more pronounced symbols used to keep the understanding of the true nature of the sacrament a secret from everyone but the "Elite". In its infant (button) state, the muscaria resembles a small white stone. The pulling of the sword from the stone (a symbol of wielding the power), is another Arthurian legend connecting the mushroom to the myth. The quest for the Grail itself is the quest for the knowledge of the mushroom. The Parcival myth depicts paths (traditions), which are to be explored (but not adhered to), in order to complete the quest. This quest is described in the myths as a journey into the forest (the world) and finding paths (systems) which one may follow, for a time, but ultimately one must blaze his/her own trail in order to truly reach the final goal, the Holy Grail (the discovery and usage of the mushroom).

The search for the Holy Grail is a mythology that has become, through adaptation, a part of the story of the Crucifixion. Some of the stories incorporate a cup which was used to catch some of the flowing blood of Jesus as he died on the cross. This cup, like many other relics, was thereby thought to possess magical powers. Historically, themushroom has been the container for the juice of the "elixir of immortality", or the "blood of God", in many myths. The final shape of the muscaria, with its inverted cap, is the reason that the cup/fountain/grail symbology is used in the stories. King Arthur, as a child, gained his rightful place as King by pulling the sword from the stone. This is symbolic for wielding the power of the mushroom. The stone is a metaphor for the mushroom, and pulling the sword from it is symbolic of being able to crack the code and possess the power of the magical plant. After Arthur took ill (in his later years) he was told that he must seek and find the Holy Grail to renew his strength and re-acquire his power.

There are a great many people who would never consider the use of visionary plants to be a spiritual experience. These people believe that spiritual experiences must come directly from God and that the use of visionary plants goes against the teachings of the Bible. Contrary to this notion, the Bible never explicitly prohibits the use of visionary plants or potions. What you will find however, is many curious references to a spiritual food sent down from heaven by God, called manna.

The Bible never tells us exactly what manna was and where it came from, but there are many Old Testament passages which describe its physical qualities and conditions associated with its appearance. The Bible's first reference to manna is in the Book of Exodus as the children of Israel are fleeing from Egypt and following Moses into the wilderness. After six weeks of wandering, they began complaining to Moses that they are tired and hungry. What happens next is truly extraordinary:

Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will vain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no (16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground (16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.

[Edited on 6/3/2004 by DivineSoma]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 09:59 AM
The Rig-Veda, one of humanity's oldest scriptures, contains over 1,000 poems extolling the merit and virtues of 'King Soma', who is portrayed as a lightning-born, mountain-residing deity and a urine-tinged elixir of health & strength, as well as being praised as the direct means of communion with the Divine and as the supreme poetic & musical inspiration.

R. Gordon Wasson's Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality 1969) identifies Soma as a mixture of amanita muscaria, a mushroom found under conifer trees having a blood-red cap spotted with white thornlike crusts, and the resinous flowers of cannabis sativa, commonly known as 'marijuana'.

'Muscimol, the psychoactive element of Amanita muscaria, remains active in urine for up to seven reingestions'

Wasson notes ancient Hindu scriptures depicting urine drinking as bestowing spirituality, just as Siberian shamans drink the urine of amanita muscaria-fed reindeer which exhibit appropriate signs of mushroom intoxication in order to gain insight and wisdom. This is because muscimol, the psychoactive element of Amanita muscaria, remains active in urine for up to seven reingestions or for use by others, which the shamans drink as a holy wine, the epitome of true transubstantiation.

(Wasson's archive of research, writings & correspondence is maintained by Harvard University's Herbarium Library and can be viewed by appointment only. Contact 617 495 2366.)

John Marco Allegro used Wasson's theory and comparative linguistics to decipher the Gospels of Jesus and the Dead Sea Scrolls. He was summarily dismissed from the translation team for these documents upon publishing his findings in The Sacred Mushroom & the Cross 1970).

Clark Heinrich published his further research on entheogens - organic substances which enhance feelings of the Divine residing within those who partake - in Strange fruit - Alchemy & religion, the hidden truth 1995, Bloomsbury Press), explicating the case for the amanita muscaria as the interpretive key to the mythic symbolisms of the Vedas, Torah and Talmud and Gospels of Jesus, as well as the true identity of the Philosopher's Stone of Alchemy and the Holy Grail, which Heinrich suggests is simply the chalice-shaped mushroom.

'The role of Messiah or "Anointed One" - literally, "one smeared with semen" '

Jesus as a symbol of the mushroom

Jesus is portrayed as the Son of God, sent to fulfil the role of Messiah or 'Anointed One' - literally, 'one smeared with semen'. As a mushroom, the amanita muscaria does not disseminate seeds as plants do, but ejaculates microscopic spores which create a threadlike fungal network at the base of conifer trees from which thunderstorms elicit more mushrooms. Prior to knowledge of spores, lightning was thought to be the source of mushrooms and lightning was considered the fiery progenitive spears of God, hence the phallic fungi were called 'Sons of God'.

The mushroom's spore ejaculate leaves an oily film on the blood-red cap spotted with white thorns, hence the term 'Messiah' ('Anointed One') and allusions to thistle-entwined, bloody-browed sacrifices, such as the miraculous 'Ram' of Abraham (Genesis 22:13) and Jesus the thorn-crowned 'Lamb of God'.

'Mushrooms were also seen as "winged" creatures, or crowned by a cloudy cap or "halo", each carrying a "message" from God'

Mushrooms were also seen as 'winged' creatures, or crowned by a cloudy cap or 'halo', each carrying a 'message' from God, the very definition of an 'Angel'. Some mushrooms were 'good' or nutritious, some were 'evil' or poisonous, but amanita muscaria was considered 'blessed' and capable of bestowing health, strength, inspiration and the power of prognostication.

Ingestion of the amanita muscaria can revive the deathly ill and enables people to perform unusual feats of strength. The Gnostics used the mushroom to access 'gnosis' or 'sacred knowledge' and become privy to seeing the 'Kingdom at hand.'

The experience can also result in a very deep sleep, giving the appearance that the partaker has died, only to be 'resurrected' as the effect wears off. The decaying mushroom smells like rotting flesh thus attracting flies, hence another term for the mushroom, 'fly agaric'. Flies seem to die on contact with the mushroom, but if observed for a period of about 12 hours, however, the insects experience 'resurrection' and fly away.

As John Allegro points out, the 'Cross' is merely the cuneiform symbol of the mushroom, just as the 'Asclepius', or snake-entwined staff topped by a winged disc found on nearly all medical facilities, is also just an ancient symbol of the mushroom.


Jesus as a symbol of marijuana

Jesus is also portrayed as the offspring of a female virgin named 'Mary', who represents cannabis sativa or hemp, since female plants are cloistered, or kept separate from male plants, in order to produce more THC, the medicinal chemical found in the resin of cannabis flowers which are commonly known as marijuana.

Jesus, the offspring of the Blessed Virgin, performs healings astonishingly similar to the confirmed medicinal effects of THC.

Healings of Jesus Diseases THC treats:
-Blindness Glaucoma
-Deafness Tinnitus
-Lameness Arthritis
-Sickness Nausea; Cramps; Migraine
-'Leprosy' Skin Lesions
-'Demon-Possession' Epilepsy; Multiple Sclerosis

Not only does cannabis heal people, it also restores topsoil to poor land such as the Jews were relegated to. Mark 4:3-8, the Parable of the Sower, is a premier hemp reference since (a) hemp seed is the favoured food of most species of bird; (b) hemp grows very quickly (having four seasons per year in climates as diverse as Siberia & Jamaica); and (c) hemp, unlike wheat and other crops, replicates itself 30-, 60- and 100-fold, as any good 'weed' should.

Cannabis was the basis of pre-industrial civilisation, providing Earth's most nutritious food for humans & animals (hemp seed), rope and canvas for tents & clothing ('canvas' being derived from the word 'cannabis'), fuel for heating & cooking (seed oil), the means of fishing & sea travel (sails, rope for rigging and nets, sealant for boats) and wood oil & varnish (aged seed oil), part of the occupational means of a carpenter, which Mary's husband, Joseph, is portrayed as being.

The importance of the Jesus myth

If Jesus is just a fictional personification of psychedelic mushrooms and marijuana, what is the significance of his capital punishment at the hands of civil and religious authorities and his subsequent resurrection celebrated on Easter?

Jesus life and execution symbolise the inherent antagonisms between Earth's organic bounty of food, provisions and medicine plus the natural fact of human mortality versus the pseudo-scarcity economics of the centralised technological state and the empty assurances of human immortality by esoteric ecclesiastic polities, which both profit from human misery and sickness as well as from environmental ignorance and disregard.

By prohibiting and criminalising the very essence of 'Jesus', the modern state fully realises its biblical designation as the 'Anti-Christ', orchestrating the monopolisation of ecology and economy by corporations whose inferior substitutes for botanic resources desecrate the Earth and its inhabitants - an 'abomination causing desolation'.

Ironically, it is very often those who designate themselves as Christians who are most vocal and active in their support for measures to persecute and imprison those who actually know 'Jesus' more intimately than any self-righteous prohibitionist ever could, even as so-called Christians read and study the Gospels of Jesus as printed on the tissue-thin hemp paper used in the majority of modern Bibles (source: Zondervan Books). They reject the true sacrament and settle for stale bread and sour grapes.

'Jesus' resurrection symbolises Earth's faithful yielding of the true sacrament'

Jesus' resurrection symbolises Earth's faithful yielding of the true sacrament as well as the undying hope that humanity might learn to recognise and embrace both the natural means of living and the natural fact of dying and henceforth live abundantly, even under penalty of imprisonment, persecution and death.

In demonstrating that most sacred myths are symbolisms of psychedelic mushroom & marijuana use, Wasson, Allegro and Heinrich undermine claims of unique access to communion with the Divine as well as claims of entitlement to eternal life and bliss made by those who effectively prohibit the easiest means of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, sheltering the indigent and attending the sick by criminalising the 'soma' (see Note below) of Jesus, King of kings.

[Edited on 6/3/2004 by DivineSoma]

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 11:00 AM
As far as divinesoma goes,
amanita does not grow in deserts; nothing at all grows in the Negev or Sinai during the summer months. Amanita has practically no nutritive value; certainly not enough to live on. What power elite would have insisted on burying the truth of this soma in the roman world? They would have loved it. Passages like Galatians 5:20 prohibit "pharmakeia" i.e. drugs. This was a strike AGAINST the cults of Dyonisus et al., not a coverup of Christian drug use . . .

But for a really thrilling connection, divinesoma should be checking out my commments on the st. Louis arch . . .


HBHG is an attempt to "make the facts fit" a preconceived thesis. I view it more as a poetic than an investigative work. Info-tainment and all that.

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 03:09 PM

Originally posted by dr_strangecraft
What power elite would have insisted on burying the truth of this soma in the roman world? They would have loved it. Passages like Galatians 5:20 prohibit "pharmakeia" i.e. drugs. This was a strike AGAINST the cults of Dyonisus et al., not a coverup of Christian drug use . . .

The Amanita muscaria mushroom can be found at the roots of most of the religious writings our planet has to offer. Yet you will find within these pages very little in way of endorsement of any particular religion. However, please bear with me when I interject my own philosophical opinions. Remember, I admit openly that I certainly do not know everything. This is the result of a serious study of the doctrinal/scriptural substance of each of the presented religions, and an exploration into the hidden symbology and meanings within them. The discovery that, although the Sacramental substance is unquestionably present, the organizations themselves have obscured the knowledge of it, was an enigma. That is, until the political nature at the roots of religion itself had been uncovered. Today's religions do not answer this important question. They explain it away as purely symbolic, or of no importance. Religion has polluted itself by denying its own source, and by removing the individual's ability to experience the effects produced by the substance that imparts Gnosis (the joining together of the consciousness with the consciousness of the Divine). By the removal of this key knowledge, religions themselves become lies; especially when the same systems inspired by Entheogens condemn their usage.

In today's society it has become taboo to present the expansion of consciousness by the use of any kinds of drugs/plants in a positive light. Such is the case when one discusses government or religion (or any other societal norm) in a negative light. While I have nothing positive to say about heroin, highly refined Coca (coke, crack), or amphetamines (crank), I feel that a blanket assessment of all drugs as being dirty is not only unfair, but a classic case of dis-information.

Drugs, in the psychedelic category, are commonly referred to these days (by those in the know) as "Entheogens", meaning simply; "the generation of God within"; for the experiencer, "the realization of God within ones own consciousness".

The facts are that there are many plants that have been known to expand consciousness, increase awareness of self, and initiate one into the nature of spirituality. Thousands of PhD. professors all over the world (in fields such as botany, ethnobotany, entheobotany, archaeology, anthropology, philology, philosophy, psychology, as well as a plethora of other inter-related fields) have written thousands of books/papers on the investigation and study of psychedelic plants. These writings have dealt with the use of such substances by spiritual practitioners in most every religion formed on the planet. Most people are out of the loop in knowing about any of this. Throughout history, each tribe/culture has looked for leadership and insight to the local Holy-man, or otherwise known as the Shaman, Healer, Priest, Mage, Sage, Yogi, Magician. The insight these leaders possessed was largely due to their experience and understanding of pharmacopoeia (use of plants) and the insight offered by the use of these things. "Pharmacopoeia" is the root of our English "pharmacy" or "pharmacist", and has been also translated as "witchcraft". Different tribes and peoples used different Entheogens, largely determined by local availability. The social power, respect, reverence, and authority held by the "pharmacopoeia-practicing" native shaman was/is a major problem for government and religion. It is the wanton jealousy for the power and control, held by these natives, which in turn, inspired the campaign to demonize and dis-repute Shamanism and pharmacopoeia as something of the devil. The Spanish (Catholic) inquisition and witch hunts (the murdering of over eight million people, tried as witches, and the stealing of their land and other propertiesdone in the name of God by the Church-government up until the 19th century) were prime examples of this. Also related to this church jealousy and greed is the matter of an estimated twenty million indigenous Central Americans murdered (exterminated), bringing about the near extinction of the Aztec/Inca/Mayan peoples, and the all-to-similar fate of indigenous North Americans ("American Indians"). The underlying agenda is the repression of the knowledge of Entheogenic plants that, if it succeeded, would insure the people's loyalty to established religion in all matters pertaining to God, primarily due to the inability of experiencing God for oneself. Since government and religion are the controllers of the world, an independent Shaman/Priest/Mage/Magician/Prophet is a threat to their power.

The sacramental use of Entheogens has only come into a bad/dirty light recently. This is largely due to the lumping together of any and all substances used by people (whether used for spiritual or recreation purposes) and then classifying them as "bad" (for you), "evil", "vile", and/or "dirty". This prohibition is the propaganda of the inept, corrupt, and oppressive (monetary based) war on drugs. In realty, despite the incredible amount of evidence that humanity's origins of spirituality are inseparably linked to Entheogens, governmental prohibition continues to rob each individual of their human right to directly access and understand the nature of spirituality through the traditional and ancient means provided by mother earth.

People who follow the government's lead in this field, without researching the subject on an individual basis, are usually quick to jump to conclusions and condemn things they really know nothing about. Unfortunately, there are many people who have not researched this subject and believe that anything the government says must be true, yet they have absolutely no personal experience or real understanding about the subject other than the government/media-released propaganda and dis-information geared to create their agenda-based opinion; an opinion really based on ignorance.

The agenda of the propaganda-pushers is not only sad but actually quite sickening because of the way it tends to lead the mindless masses of sheep right down the road to foolishness, causing them to become the unknowing pushers of the very same oppressive dis-information and propaganda which imprisons them, whilst believing the whole time that they are being right, proper, clean purveyors of the truth. As you will see, this subject is absolutely a matter of religious practice, and as such, it must be protected by Constitutional rights.
As Timothy Leary put it so well, "Psychedelics often produce psychotic and even violent behavior in those that have never used them".

The simple reality is that plant Entheogens are spiritual in nature.

I prefer "Just say know" to the oppressive fascist propaganda "Just say no"

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 08:48 PM
I agree that this is an interesting book, some might be a little too fantastical to believe. There is some beliefs that the whole thing was a ruse propagated by some sneaky French aristocrats. The Priory of Sion, which seems to the focus of the book and those that are meant to protect the Bloodline. It does make for an interesting read.

posted on Jun, 3 2004 @ 08:55 PM

Do you intend to plagiarize in every one of your posts?

posted on Jun, 4 2004 @ 09:28 AM

Originally posted by kinglizard

Do you intend to plagiarize in every one of your posts?

I have no problem fully sighting all of my resources. I'll edit every one of my posts to include the citations.

I am trying to get this hard-to-find info available to the masses. I have no intention to plagerize.


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