Gerald Celente: The “Second American Revolution” Has Begun

reply to post by burntheships


What good will a letter do?

Once again this crap is being rammed down "we the peoples" throats

Things are quickly falling into place

What's next?

reply to post by muzzleflash

#1) A Revolution against the tyranny of the arrogant elitists and tycoons.

Good luck with that. History has shown time and time again that even if a force were to sweep in and cleanse the corrupt arrogant elitists from power, it is only a temporary state. New elitists will rise to power in the vacuum to take their place. Usually, it's the very people that swept the old elitists out who become the new elitists.

That's because, fundamentally, we're no better than them. We're no more noble than they either. You'd be amazed at how circumstance and conformity in a power structure can modify human behavior to motivate ordinarily good people to acts of evil.

Thomas Paine stood alone in defense of King Louis the XVI when the crowds cried for his blood. While he must be held responsible for his actions, Paine argued, it was a travesty to slay a man for merely acting in accordance of the system he was born into. As any one of those among them there would act if similarly placed in such a system. His words were ignored, and Louis was executed. It was not long after that Napoleon rose to power.

Prosperity has nothing to do with "industry", otherwise no nation before 1800 would have been considered "prosperous".

Name one extremely prosperous pre-industrialized nation which exists in the world today. As new paradigm technology arises, it fundamentally alters and changes the society and markets it was released into. Industry was not a major indicator of prosperity prior to the industrial revolution. Up until the advent of the computer, the strength of industry was significant in securing prosperity. Now, that's not so much the case anymore. The computer and internet has revolutionized the landscape once again. Now, being an information/technology producing society is the strongest indicator of prosperity. Of course, there are outliers like Saudi Arabia and Dubai who are blessed with a high-demand/cheap harvest resource such as oil. On the flip side of the coin, look at how Japan has prospered after their expansionist ambitions were squashed and their territories highly limited in natural resources. They caught onto the technology revolution quickly, and have forged themselves a prosperous and influential nation. As previously industrial nations transition more and more towards information/technology societies, their industrial base is being outsourced to new emerging industrialized nations.

A rough, rough, conceptualization... but basically, there it is.

Thats all we want. Freedom to choose our own destiny.

You already have that freedom. You might not like all of the choices, but part of living in a society is compromise... and just because you are allowed to choose your destiny, doesn't mean you will achieve it. The Constitution outlines one of your inalienable human rights as the pursuit of happiness. it does not guarantee the obtainment of happiness, or that the pursuit will be free of strife or obstacles.

reply to post by Advancedboy

tell me, which country in history had been prosperous without industries, without manufacturing and creation

Traditionally it was agriculture and the harvesting of raw materials. While those materials were fashioned into goods, it wasn't really "industry" as we'd currently identify it. Factories didn't really exist for mass production of public goods, and the assembly line displaced the Master/Apprentice relationship which previously dominated production.

Of course there are exceptions here and there... for example Alexandria's papyrus production was a vital trade commodity for Egypt who (aside from the Nile Delta region) struggled more with agriculture than Eastern empires and territories across the Mediterranean. This, coupled with it's location among other factors, is what turned Alexandria into THE major trade hub of the ancient world.

reply to post by PjZ101

Don't call my motivations rascist

I didn't call your motivations racist. I said there are strong undercurrents of racially motivated direction in the movement. I also said that you are human, and that because you are human - you share a varying degree of racist tendencies. In some individuals it's not very noticeable, in some it dominates their world view.

We all share that disposition towards racism, because we all descended from a dominant tribal ancestry. While we no longer live in tribes, we still arrange ourselves tribal groups out of instinct. We identify ourselves and others by what our appearances are, what our likes and dislikes are, what our ideologies are, what your religion is.... right down to menial things like what kind of clothes you wear, what sports team you support, or which video game system you support. We don't innately look for similarities between each other... we look for differences, and assess threat levels we think that "other" group poses. And this extends to race where the physical and cultural differences are more immediately noticeable. This isn't the only factor involved, but it is a major one.

We are all innately racist to some degree or another. It's a human universal we've found expressed in one form or another in every society we've thus far studied. You can no more change or deny this fact than you can deny all babies smile to express feelings of joy - even blind infants... or that it's by FAR easier to learn how to speak a language than it is to learn how to write one.

This isn't something to be proud of by any means, but it's something that needs to be recognized. So long as you recognize that you harbor racist (however slight you think) tendencies, then you can be more vigilant against those who would underhandedly exploit that inherent behavior tendency and corrupt your motives without your realization because you felt you were impervious to racist motivations.

You have to also realize that for decades now people have been turned into zombie's over the years in this country and it was done by design

Oh, I do agree on that. Design most certainly plays a contributing role in it. How much it resembles Darwin and how much Descartes, though, that's the critical factor. Neither one absolves personal responsibility for ignorance in the matters though.

The media is only giving the public what the public demands. What the public responds to. What keeps their ratings high and advertisers happy. Seems rather evident to me, since after all, Fox News and Alex Jones are mirror images of one another. People turn from their Mass media speculation and sensationalism to independently generated speculation and sensationalism. One side calls the other tin-foil nutters while the other side calls them sheep, while arrogantly proclaiming their enlightenment and awakening. Why is it that so many who break free of religion after watching Zeitgeist end up falling right back into the same old faith-based method of viewing the world.

reply to post by Phlynx

Although it will be great at first, it will lead to the same road again. Democracy is not working

We're not a democracy though. We're a constitutional republic. While the merits and ideals of democracy have always been highly espoused and influenced the way our republic operates (the President is elected Democratically) the founding fathers were clear in their intent that the United States be a nation governed by the rule of law - not majority or mob rule.

reply to post by crimvelvet

I see a lot more awareness of the issues today than I saw a couple of years ago. People are concerned and they have the computer to get non-media information.

Actually, several studies have suggested that people who get their news online are often more misinformed than the people who get their news from major network news sources. Major News Networks have a very limited avenue for diversity in which to attract viewers. Because they are limited to only a very few channels, structured around advertisements, and only so many hours in the day to broadcast programs for different demographics, News Networks adopt a broader umbrella "mass market" strategy try to market to the widest audience possible. Sometimes, you will end up hearing contradictory opinions, different ways of looking at things, and facts you might not otherwise be exposed to.

The internet.. however... well, technically there can be as many news blog sites available to you as there are people surfing the net. Cost of operation is low, and individual bloggers can increasingly specialize and market their blog to consumers with a narrower and more specific market demographics while still recovering costs through advertisement. Often people who get their news exclusively or disproportionately online will not take the time to seek out contradictory opinions or views. They gather and focus on those sites which most closely resemble their own political, religious, or social ideologies. Further, the rate at which information propagates across the net coupled with no formal system for fact-checking or retraction - spurious information posted could contain grievous errors with no method other than personal initiative to fact check them.

reply to post by huntergatherer


Well the governors are objecting to this major power grab by the DHS and the Pentagon.

Pentagon, Governors Face Off Over Military Reserve
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If we can try to keep this on a state run level it might not be as bad.
You know what I mean?

Seriously...maybe then it wont escalate to the U.N. being called in here, foreign troops on our own soil?

Just an idea, some states would be safer than others then.

reply to post by Lasheic
The people grabbing power want to turn America into a feudal state. As long as crooked politicians are told no over and over again the wealthy families will not have the power they think will make them happy. The very best thing people can do is vote all the hench men of the wealthy families back home where they belong. There is no need for any revolution.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by BearTruth

 

They would, people with guns to fight people with guns don't take kindly to being shot at.

If the Iranian people had guns the outcome would be way different, there is only so much a rock can do against an AK47.

I just get sick of people trying to say everybody with guns are redneck incestuous stupid people, because it clearly isn't the case, especially the ones that don't live here.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

You are right about that. I know plenty of people with guns and they are all middle class. I bought my first gun right after Katrina and if You knew anything about N.O. You would have done the same... As a matter of fact the gun store I went to sold more guns in that week then they did in the whole previous year. So call it what You want but it was people whom were worried about the future taking out a little more insurance...


Now We have the economy going in the crapper. We have Americans worried about the future and plenty of them are going out and stocking up. These people might not know why but they are worried. Now look at how the government is acting and I wouldn't blame the people for stocking up.

I bought my first Semi-Auto rifle right after the primaries. I watched them religiously and guess what the man that best represents me is Ron Paul. I watched first hand how the elite used the media to control the election and thus put in their clown. If the people were educated about the real issues and actually paid attention to all the candidates I believe things would have turned out differently. I don't now how I knew but I knew that Obama was going to win. I knew when the primaries started that He was going to win. Maybe it was the corporate brain washing but I knew it was going to happen.


I also know that something bad is going to go down in this country and another power grab is going to be made by the federal government. I also know that the working class or should I say the TAX PAYING MIDDLE CLASS is getting pissed off and one day will take action.

Some stupid redneck hill billy's believing the greedy lobbyists from the insurance companies, that's what this is.

If you review the facts in an impartial way you clearly see that if the health reform is passed exactly as the administration propose, the United States still has -A LOT- more right-wing-conservative health system than for example United Kingdom, it's closest western ally...

I wish the president and democrats would go further than they have. This proposal is a compromise to please all. IE: If you are happy with your doc & insurance company & premiums, KEEP IT. If you think it's too expensive, feel free to get the public insurance.

What is bad with a free choice? It's not free choice now when the greedy insurance companies, concerned only about THEIR PROFITS, decide if you have the right to live or die!

I am so tired of all these hate-mongers that try to distort the facts so they can create a controversy that is not there........

The fact that this thread even exists, is evidence that people are waking up. Then again, many of the replies in this thread are evidence that there is a strikingly large number of people who will never wake up. Period.

This is not a red vs. blue thing. It's not liberal vs. conservative. It's not about health care, or insurance, and contrary to what many ATS members would have us believe, it's not about the color of the presidents skin. It's not about a bunch of Bush supporters hating Obama. It's about a machine that's broken. It's about the fact that the machine needs to be fixed. Let your engine knock long enough, and it'll eventually blow.

Times get tough. Even those for who times are not tough can't go a day without noticing how tough many people are having it. So even they are forced, at some level, to ask themselves what brought us to where we are. When they attempt to answer that question, they realize that their trust has been violated. They grew up under the impression that as long as they went to the polls, and voted their conscience, that their elected government would do right by them. Now they're realizing, that for all intents and purposes, their government is not elected, and couldn't care less about them.

So yeah, people are getting pissed. We're pissed off because a representative of the people, needs to be one of the people, and none of them are. Health care, for instance, while the system may change, it won't be fixed. It won't be fixed because the F'ing politicians won't even discuss it. Instead, they simply sit around discussing how to oust Obama, or pin societies sorrows on one party or another, or which high priced call girl will do the swirl, or how best to ignore anyone asking valid questions, or how to imprison anyone who so much as mentions the constitution.

All in all, I think the content of this thread indicates that there's still plenty of people perfectly content with what some talking head is spoon feeding them for any significant revolt of any kind to happen.

Originally posted by Shades1035
Some stupid redneck hill billy's

I stoped reading after that. It is precisely because of this attitude among wannabe elites that the government beaurocrats should never be given power over other people's lives. Just because the elites have changed the flavor of opression to vanilla does not make it right or morally acceptable. When all people are regarded as worthy of compassion in this country then maybe health care will be better.

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Uh, the people elected the current president.. or do you think the election was a fraud too?

If you step back from all the hate-threads on this conspiracy site and review the facts you may notice that the proposals from the administration are not very controversial.

The citizens elected a liberal democrat yeah... You should accept democracy and the will of the people.

Calling the president a socialist is hill billy, because he clearly is not. The democrats are still more right-wing than even the most right-winged western allied country, like Canada or UK.....

reply to post by Shades1035


Oh , you agreed with everything George Bush did because he was democratically elected. How about Nixon? No one ever accused Nixon of stealing an election. Politicians are fallible humans not kings or Gods. I bet if you actually knew Obama you would have plenty of differences. The healthcare reform is a sham designed to give the power hungry eugenecists the power of life and death over the unwashed masses. I don't think Obama realizes this will be the result ,but no one is perfect not even the president.Call me names for all eternity ,and I will still not support this so called health care reform.





[edit on 13-8-2009 by eradown]

reply to post by wycky


Nice thread. Thought it was time to chime in. Personally, I believe that the 'fourth' shot will be when they sign the healthcare bill into effect. I've really stopped arguing this thing because anyone who is for it, won't read it. Those that have read it (me and others) know what is coming.

This power grab will be the straw that breaks the back of american patience.

Juuust my humble opinion, but I thought I'd throw that in the mix.

reply to post by Lasheic
A flag for you. Well thought out and clearly stated. On your last point, tho, I would have to say that I respectfully disagree. The web has been a monumental wild card. Those same elite now have no control over what we can read or learn.
Just on this site alone, you always get other points of view. Often better stated than the networks. And you also learn things you would never have known anywhere else.
Like the Korean freighter carrying enriched uranium from NKorea to Syria. Torpedoed by American Navy. And both sides claiming ignorance. Anything not in their agenda for us to know, you can read about it online. Scientific discoveries, archaelogical discoveries, things that contradict their 'politically correct' view on things. History, religions, and science. Others, as well, such as modern medicine. All full of conspiracies, but you can learn what they are hiding, on the web. I like the web!

I hope someone is considering the possibility of counter-revolutions.

Second, yes, there might be a revolution. It might just be a blood bath we hear about for a week or two.

Star and flag for OP. Well done.

The idiot Presidnet was on CBS news a few days ago saying once they pass the health "reform" they're then moving onto "Comprehensive" (aka, Dem votes for Illegals) Immigration Reform.

I laughed and laughed. If they think people are upset now.. just wait!.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Geladinhu

 

I'm sorry that I don't feel that being a willing slave to the government is exactly the best for the world.

I understand what you are saying, but if you just let the government have their way the jackboots would be knocking at your door for just expressing your thoughts.

I don't think you quite grasp at what happens when a tyrannical government takes hold. I haven't ever lived under a tyrannical regime and I'm not about to start now.

Also to clue you in, if violent revolution does take place, people will be dieing for an idea, that idea is freedom.

Like I have said before, your idea of freedom is not my idea of freedom.
In essence you want to invite the power behind the failure of government IN to inhabit
a larger hold on my life. I pay my f-ing bill HTBM2L and all the bills I get keep rising for less, they penalize me at every turn, turn the screws, bones me with felonious legal ease and I HAVE NO RECOURSE. These same folks twist our government and shape our law to their liking. This door knocking shtick has been the same plot line for 50 years, it is tiered old stone wall. CORPORATIONS have ENOUGH power, it is not the solution, it is the problem that is causation of poor governing.

reply to post by Solomons


It's the republican party, you take them out of office and all hell breaks lose.

Honestly, I feel scared and uneasy about all the things that are happening, and I feel like I have no control over anything anymore! This is reminding me more of the Russian Revolution than the American Revolution. The tension over health care is growing and growing! I hope we don't get into a Civil War. If that happens, we will ALL be in poverty, and there is nothing worse than poverty.

reply to post by mental modulator


First where did I say anything about giving more power to the corporations? Second there is no differing idea's of freedom.

Either you are free or you aren't, it's as simple as that. No matter how much you try to deny it the fact is the government makes the laws, socialism, communism, fascism, etc. isn't going to change that.

The corporations will always have power, there are two ways to stop them from gaining power of the government is to elect people that will actually work for us and understand that corporations are only out for one thing, profit, so if you don't like that a company is getting to big, stop giving them your money.

You can sit here an rail against the corps. all day long and say they are the sole reason for this and everything else, but the truth of the matter is, it is you and I and everybody else who votes people into office to vote in our best interest.

Voting a bunch of socialist into power is going to put us right back where we are now, the only difference is that the corporations will be under the control of government.

Look it's the way the world works, don't get mad at me, you need to take a step back and understand that the government is supposed to stop the corps from running over us like they have done. The government has been and will always be implicit in it.

Until you understand that all forms of government will be corrupt then you are fighting a losing battle, and getting your hopes up. A perfect example of this is what happened with Enron in California, the government allowed them to do what they did.

I am telling you the facts, and the way it is. Either you can understand it or you can completely dismiss it, it's your choice. It is yours and mine and every other voters responsibility to vote people into office that will not be bought off and pass laws that protect us from the corporations. If you vote big government people into office corruption is going to take hold and we are going to end up in the same place we are now.

I pay the bills too, you are no different than anybody else when it comes to that. You need to realize we all face the same problems. The government is the problem.

[edit on 14-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

well, the problem is, most of our leaders are actually very BAD and UNPLEASANT people. If you read Icke's book about alice in wonderland and the world trade centre disaster (9/11) or his other book, 'guide to the global conspiracy' - leaving out all the alien/lizard stuff - the research is there for what sort of people we have running the country. Or read jim marrs rule by secrecy for more of the same thing. They are starting wars to make money and funding both sides. they are backing drug companies who are selling useless and poisonous drugs; or companies like monsanto who are contaminating hte food supply with gm/nano /carcinogenic/pesticide laden food. or the water supply with flouride, a poison. or your mouth with mercury fillings. or your diet coke, with aspartame. or your clothes with dangerous chemicals like formaldeyde. etc etc.
Its suggested by many authors that the people at the very top of our power structures are in secret societies and many are satanists. Authors/victims have accused the bushes of paediphilia, and there was an assault claim against clinton i think. If these guys are child abusers and rapists (as most of the catholic clergy seem to be), then no wonder the world's in the state it is. They certainly wont care about human life.
In fact, just about any 'normal' person could do a better job of running the country than someone with such criminal personality. Just look at a picture of the pope or george bush next time - do they LOOK like friendly, nice people to you? (but maybe its just me).

Im not at all surprised at what's happening to the world, becuz people dont seem to care who their leaders are. Or they accept that they will be ruled by b.......ds, because they always have been. Well, we can change that. we dont HAVE to be ruled by a......h.....s. Surely we can find a way to elect some people to power who are actually nice, and maybe, intelligent, or qualified in some way? People who have proven how much they care about others? ..... i wonder if people just lack perception - the ability to perceive, just by looking at someone, what their soul might be like. When i look at bush, i dont see a soul radiating goodness and kindness. (even the idea is hilarious). and i think thats the only sort of person who should be elected to his position.

so long as people value power, brutality and cruelty, ruthlessness in their leaders, then this whole planet is screwed.


And regarding violence: non violence is obviously the desire and what we should all be aiming for. But if someone is threatening my family or people i care about, im not going to let them hurt them. And if someone is trying to turn me into a slave, im not going to take it either. Becuz if they can do it to me, then they can hurt others too. Children of this planet have suffered enough. We need to create a better world for them. Offer mercy, offer the chance to surrender (altho im pretty certain many of these people dont deserve it at all- it seems they deserve hard labour at the very least), but dont let bad people walk all over you. Maybe they need to learn how to be good.

Maybe the idea is, fight if you have to; but only in self defence when required and dont harm anyone who wants to give in peacefully or who isnt trying to hurt you.?



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My thought is this. If we all practice self-sufficiency and participate as little as possible in the system, then that will hurt the gov's position as caretaker of the unwashed masses.

Quit buying 50" plasmas and 30000$ cars and 900$ game systems, and quit paying 12 bux to watch a movie.

Stop using so much damn electricity, unless you are making it yourself. Collect rainwater (stealthily, since the gov owns all the water). Stop paying all these utility cartels for stuff that the earth provides anyway.
Get a rocketstove and cook on it in the backyard.

Grow a garden. Learn to hunt and fish or become a vegan. Go ride your bike to a fishing hole somewhere. You will be healthier and stop feeding these giant drug companies and health conglomerates. Not to mention the grocery money saved.

All of us can't do all of these things, YMMV by your situation, but if we give the corporations as little money as possible, then they have less with which to buy our government.

Control your wealth, and you control your government.