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Hunger hits Detroit's middle class

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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City Without Supermarkets




DETROIT (CNNMoney.com) -- On a side street in an old industrial neighborhood, a delivery man stacks a dolly of goods outside a store. Ten feet away stands another man clad in military fatigues, combat boots and what appears to be a flak jacket. He looks straight out of Baghdad. But this isn't Iraq. It's southeast Detroit, and he's there to guard the groceries.

"No pictures, put the camera down," he yells. My companion and I, on a tour of how people in this city are using urban farms to grow their own food, speed off. In this recession-racked town, the lack of food is a serious problem.

It's a theme that comes up again and again in conversations in Detroit. There isn't a single major chain supermarket in the city, forcing residents to buy food from corner stores. Often less healthy and more expensive food.


CNN Money




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:18 PM
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Armed Guards protecting food shipments? Urban farmers?, NO NATIONALLY KNOWN GROCERY STORES? is any one in the area able to help paint a picture for us here? It sounds like people are being resourceful, but food is something that you have to constantly replenish, obviously. The article has pictures of goats and stuff being kept in urban areas just a few miles from downtown, interesting stuff



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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I saw a report on one of the news channels that the median home price in Detroit is $7500! Yes that is only 4 digits, not a typo!

I knew Detroit would take all of this the hardest, but this is ridiculous!

We have several ATSers from Detroit; I can't wait to see their input!

Starred and Flagged.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Detroit covers a vast span of area. It is true that no National Chain Stores exist anymore in the Downtown Area, but they are still in the outlying areas of the city. If you can afford the gas for a 10-16 minute drive, then you can make it to Walmart. If you can't afford the gas, then you are S.O.L. if you are anywhere near Downtown.

However, there is also a lot of Farmland and Pastures throughout the greater Detroit Metropolitan Area. There is plenty of land to grow more than enough food for the population locally. If the city goes ahead with the Federal offer to reduce Detroit sprawl by 40% and return it to pasture and farmland, there will be even more land to grow food to sustain the population locally. But these plans take time. Not many people had the foresight to see what was coming and plant accordingly in the Spring. It's a long time before next year's Harvest.

Detroit has been handling things better than anyone expected them to. The people of Detroit have been coming up with creative and sustainable solutions...but the night is always darkest before the dawn...and things are still going to get uglier before it gets better for Detroit.

Next Summer and Fall the Farmers Markets in Detroit are going to be the accepted norm, and the people of Detroit won't miss their National Chain Stores. Until then, however, it's going to be a rough Winter for food...but Detroiters are hardened, seasoned and tough. They have the will therefore they will find a way.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Definitely good to see people figuring things out for themselves, otherwise the hungry would soon turn to alternative methods of feeding themselves that are seldom socially acceptable let alone legal. That being said I would most certainly advise folks living in that area to consider moving outside of the city for the sake of having more land to farm on and remove themselves from the dangers of dense population.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by fraterormus
Detroit covers a vast span of area. It is true that no National Chain Stores exist anymore in the Downtown Area, but they are still in the outlying areas of the city. If you can afford the gas for a 10-16 minute drive, then you can make it to Walmart. If you can't afford the gas, then you are S.O.L. if you are anywhere near Downtown..........Next Summer and Fall the Farmers Markets in Detroit are going to be the accepted norm, and the people of Detroit won't miss their National Chain Stores. Until then, however, it's going to be a rough Winter for food...but Detroiters are hardened, seasoned and tough. They have the will therefore they will find a way.


I was wondering about the chains. You would be hard pressed to find a grocery store in downtown winston salem in north carolina as well i guess, but the areas connecting the towns have everything.

I had wondered if the need for armed escorts drove the chains away, but come to think about, you rarely find vast grocery chains in Downtown areas.

I have seen a great spirit in the Detroit people. They keep getting the raw deal in so many ways but that will only make them stronger people in the end.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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I'm actually a young Detroiter on my way to college, and it's very strange but now that I think about it, my family has ALWAYS done our grocery shopping outside of the city. We go to nearby cities like Grosse Pointe and Warren for our basic needs and shopping supplies. When you're young, all the cities sort of blend into "nice" Detroit and "bad" Detroit.

If we didn't shop in that way, the nearest market is a poorly run supermarket with items on the shelves that are past their expiration dates and dust covered. Not saying that they all are like that, but if I were to do my shopping in the city, my options would be very limited.

The city has it's awesome shopping places, but they are less market oriented and more like specialty shops.
Reading this, I now see that I've been very fortunate through this recession.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Wonder what the Codex Alimentarius pushers behind the scenes think of the after school gardening for the kids.

It gave me a warm and fuzzy, so they probably hate it.

Some of these kids probably never realized where food comes from before, now they can grow it, take it home, and cook it?



Wisdom through adversity. Just the adversity part that sucks.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by hotrodturbo7]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 02:02 PM
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I live 20 miles north of detroit, so I can't confirm for sure the lack of major grocery chains or witnessing guards. I have seen small markets, but not a krogers or meijers, stores like that. You have to come out of the city for "big" shopping.
Having guards out I'm sure is help keep the peace. Masses of hungry people turn evil and mean quickly. Detroiters are a tough crowd by nature, and I can see things getting nasty.
As-far-as the farming in the city. The idea came about because of all the vacant lots that weren't doing anything but dragging the city down, were allowed to be turned around for positive use...food!
it's pretty bad around here, for all michigan people. The topic of conversation is who just lost their job, what company is letting go.. infact my SO lost his job 2 weeks ago and mine is on very shaky ground.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Detroit property value began declining rapidly a few years ago when Detroit police and firemen were no longer forced to reside within the city limits which they're hired to protect.

House values declined big time over that.

And Detroiters get shafted again and again primarily by the city council and dirty politicians. Mayor?
They've had some of the dirtiest in the country.

The city was sold a bill of BS goods years ago on the promise of casinos to help the city. Sense they got casinos, schools went bust from no / squandered funds. Kids have to bring in not only school supplies, but toilet paper for their own personal use.

How the city has gotten away with being so crooked is beyond me. And the people always suffer.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 02:55 PM
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The opposite side of my neighborhood is detroit and I can say I have never seen a grocery store anywhere in detroit ever. Except for eastern market but that's only on the weekends and its a bunch of vendors selling fresh fruit and veggies/plants. I always see ppl pretty much grocery shopping in the party stores. Or I see a lot of businesses bbqing outside and selling the food. It really is a shame. Its sad to say but eventually it will be mostly a rural area the way things are going. I see city blocks with only 1 or 2 houses on the whole block. If u want to be a survivalist just ask a detroiter. They go threw so much.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Ive lived in detroit up until 12 years old and I have to say, I never noticed that before. And now that I think about it, there really isnt any! No Meijers, No K-Marts, No WalMarts, NOTHING! Just a bunch of corner stores. Although it really isnt a very long drive to a nearby city to go grocery shopping, I do wonder why there isnt any major chains in the city.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 04:44 PM
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But u you also have to consider than many in the detroit "ghettos" don't have a car or access to one so its hard for many to get out of the city. Most people don't even leave the neighborhood for anything. Its a tight communities here. Everyone knows everyone in the neighborhood.they really do help each other out



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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You do have a point, which is why i can see why its such a problem. I remember we use to have to drive at least 6 miles to get to a grocery store. It was a pain in the butt.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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I can also confirm that there are indeed NO major grocery stores within the city of Detroit itself. Anybody living within Detroit would have to get outside of the confines of the city and into the suburbs to find a grocery store to shop at.
I personally have yet to see armed guards outside any of the smaller stores within Detroit, but then I am only in the city for a day or two a week.
I highly doubt that most store-owners in the city can afford armed guards though.

Detroit will survive though, of that much I can assure you. As was said earlier, these people are tough and have been screwed so many times(mostly by local government officials), their skin is thick and many of them are extremely resourceful.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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Ah, but there is MSM news out there right now that says the economy has bottomed out, and that we have avoided a "depression"

I just came back from a trip to Arizona, John McCain's state!

It is so bad there it defies description, the state will be completely broke by October and the banks will not loan them any more money because "They cannot pay it back, they have a budget that is unconstitutional"Their blank check ends likely in October, perhaps sooner. After that Arizona will be in the same position as California was when they had to send out IOUs.

Projections are for continued job losses and a worsening economy, and more importantly rapidly declining state revenues.

But, really, things are improving. This thing ins Detroit is just a isolated situation as a result of the auto makers problems. Not to worry, new cars will be built there again, cars that people can buy with free monopoly money. And don't forget that free health care for everyone is on the way too.

Brighter days are upon us, and the future is getting even brighter.




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Lol, i know how you feel my friend.
I moved to Phoenix in March of '08, and just came back in April of this year.
It is JUST as bad there as it is here, if not moreso because of the large concentration of people in a comparatively smaller area. I went there for a job and came running back!!!! Things are rough all over, no doubt.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 05:19 PM
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I have a deep concern for any large city dweller. I fully believe that our sainted government is blowing very thick smoke. I read on a site last night that personal bankruptcies were believed to more than double in the next few months.If this is true,this nation hasn't seen the bottom of this recession yet.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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The real problems I'm afraid will come in the winter months, especially in the colder more frigid large metro areas.

When the utilities stop supplying free services and cut off electricity and gas, heating oil etc that is when the SHTF!

There are too many people completely oblivious to what is going on all around them, and the looming crisis that could easily turn into chaos and revolt it astounds me. The things the MSM doesn't want you to know.



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