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'I wouldn't be here if not for the NHS': Stephen Hawking defends UK's 'Orwellian' healthcare a

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Give you an example?

Yes.


You've got to be joking.

No


Judging from your statements I would have to begin ....... way back in a 7th grade civics class, whip you through high school, and then maybe throw in a couple of college courses? I don't think so. It is your education that needs improving, not mine. I've done my studying. Your turn.

Just as I thought, you cannot even give one example.

Good job deflecting the question.




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:43 PM
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And can you tell me why it is my obligation to provide the uninsured with health insurance?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by USER
You are SO wrong.

You are entitled to your wrong opinion.


How utterly selfish.

You are completely selfish.

Repeating yourself does not make it so.
Again, your ideology is based on selfishness. YOU want others to provide for you. That is the definition of being selfish.




I am not wrong.

Those of us who work, including myself, pay towards the greater good!!!

And... IT WORKS!!!! (maybe you are like the great president bush, who never left his own country until he had an ounce of power.........)

GEDDIT?

You live in a very "every man for himself" climate.

It's not YOUR FAULT...... YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED FROM BIRTH.

If you can't see past that it's your loss, as the minority.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:47 PM
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His "talking machine" was a gift from Americans. (At least the first one was....that was a while back. It's probably been replaced since then).

He's so funny. When speaking he would begin with "Please excuse my American accent", or "I would like to apologize for my American accent". So cute.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:50 PM
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It's not an obligation until your government makes it law.

It works here in the UK.

IT WORKS.

You're already paying enough taxes....

I'll guarantee you'll be paying more next year - so what does it matter to you? You'll pay them anyway.

Why spite people from healthcare?

You people really amaze me.

SELF

SELF

SELF

SELF

Is that what your Mother taught you?

No.

We both know it's not!





posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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Hypothetical situation here:

You need $10,000 for an operation. You know that I have a briefcase in my bedroom with $10,000 in it. Would you come to my house and hold me up with a gun and take that briefcase? What if you knew there was no chance of you getting in trouble for doing it?

If you say "no" to that, why would you allow the government to do it? If you say "yes" to that, there's our problem.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by USER
I am not wrong.

Yes, you are!



You live in a very "every man for himself" climate.

This just shows your ignorance. You know nothing.

I live in a "I keep my own money and don't wish to give it away to the government" climate.
Over here, people rely on friends, family and charities to help them along and NOT the government nipple like yourself.


It's not YOUR FAULT...... YOU'VE BEEN BRAINWASHED FROM BIRTH.

Can you not think of something original?
Are you a parrot?
I just said the same thing towards you in my previous post and the difference is my words ring true and yours fall in a void of ignorance.


If you can't see past that it's your loss, as the minority.

Is that why 85% of Americans are against the current Obamacare bill?
Whew, I'm glad I am in the minority.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by USER
It works here in the UK.

IT WORKS.

No it does not as proved by this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're already paying enough taxes....

So I should pay twice as much in taxes to provide healthcare for everyone?
What sort of fuzzy logic is that?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Double Eights
Hypothetical situation here:

You need $10,000 for an operation. You know that I have a briefcase in my bedroom with $10,000 in it. Would you come to my house and hold me up with a gun and take that briefcase? What if you knew there was no chance of you getting in trouble for doing it?

If you say "no" to that, why would you allow the government to do it? If you say "yes" to that, there's our problem.


As you say... hypothetical.

Why would you let your government go conquering the rest of the world? (as they're doing in the middle east and afgan)

Why wo0uld you pay any taxes what so ever?

Why be part of any society?

Why be part of a money system?

Why get out of bed?

Maybe the answer is that sometimes you don't really get to choose....


.... and sometimes you make the right choice!!!



There's nothing wrong with giving a few pennies (literally) towards a system that benefits everyones' health care.




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
That's funny coming from someone who is totally relies on the government for all their needs.



Useless ad hominem. People living in the UK or in any country under a national healthcare system do not "totally rely" on their government for all their needs. You, on the other hand, do rely upon a heritage of pillage and plunder. Your genes leave you clean hands, but your privilege isn't earned any more than starving children in African earned their plight. This sort of self-righteous fist pumping will one day embarrass you.



yes it is. Again, YOU want others to pay for your services. Again, that is the definition of selfishness. Everyone else is paying for your services. Sad, just sad.


Ignores the rest of the equation: people who support national health care are willing to pay for the health of others. The fundamental principle is more like cooperative, wholesale buying. The fundamental motivation is a belief that everyone deserves health care whether they are rich or poor.



No, I don't get it.
Your government has done a great job with propaganda because you actually believe it's great that you NEED and REQUIRE the government for your services including healthcare. Your government has made you happy that you need to suck on their nipple for life. Wow!


You appear more interested in inciting frustrated argument rather than fruitful debate. How about you stop maligning your opponents (and some of your audience)?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by USER
reply to post by bakednutz
 


It's not an obligation until your government makes it law.

It works here in the UK.

IT WORKS.

You're already paying enough taxes....

I'll guarantee you'll be paying more next year - so what does it matter to you? You'll pay them anyway.

Why spite people from healthcare?

You people really amaze me.

SELF

SELF

SELF

SELF

Is that what your Mother taught you?

No.

We both know it's not!



Apparently it is my obligation according to Obama and his cronies, I just dont have to pay for it until it becomes law. I have excellent private health insurance and am very pleased with it. With a universal system everything slows down, from how fast the lines move, to how many break throughs there are in modern medicine. And the government will be decideing who gets what care, when, and by who. I dont want that crap. And this health care bill does nothing to lower our cost of care and even allows for free coverage of illegals. I will not conform to this socialist BS.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

I don't know, socialists?
No thanks.


Only lazy people want others to provide for them.


Buddy, I'm not going to profess to make more money than you. However, based on your childish attitude I'm going to assume you're a teenager or young adult, so for the sake of argument let's assume I do.

I am a hardworking individual who has absolutely no trouble affording healthcare for myself. Never have, probably never will.

That being said, I am absolutely disgusted that my countryman who is less fortunate does not even have the option to see a doctor, because people like you think they are being lazy. You are the epitome of what is wrong with our country, and by extension what is wrong with capitalism. There was once a time in this country where neighbors didn't hesitate to help one another. Apparently those times are long gone.

I would gladly pay extra in taxes to ensure that every US citizen has equal access to good healthcare. It is a damn sight better than paying for illegal wars overseas, which you seem to have no problem with.

Also, you must consider: if you pay a little more in taxes to get universal healthcare, then you no longer need to pay the criminal insurance companies the ridiculous rates they demand for their coverage. So in the long run, you would actually save money.

Now I have to ask myself, why would you have a problem with saving money, just so that more people in this nation could afford to see a doctor? Is it because you can't put 2 and 2 together?

Or is it simply because you can't stand the idea of helping someone out?

Avarice. Greed. Selfishness. Call it what you will, but at the end of the day you are barely deserving of the sunlight that lets you see, for you are blind to your fellow man.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory

Originally posted by USER
It works here in the UK.

IT WORKS.

No it does not as proved by this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


You're already paying enough taxes....

So I should pay twice as much in taxes to provide healthcare for everyone?
What sort of fuzzy logic is that?




I'm sorry but you are disillusioned.

You have to DO something or experience it first hand to truly understand it.

And, apologies again, as we obviously don't see eye-to-eye but I don't think you'll have any choice...

I think that the americans lost any control of what happens when GWbush got in. Probably before.

Your votes don't count for anything...


You'll be getting a NHS whether you like it or not.

And we'll be getting a NWO.

Differences aside, that's the truth of it.

I'm off to bed soon so will leave you with that thought.

Respect.




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:03 PM
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To attempt to continue this discourse is not productive. I accept what you say, WhatTheory. I accept this from you. I realize not everybody is cut out to experience compassion for their fellow man. Not everyone has an inclination towards self improvement, or towards contributing worthwhile thoughts/actions towards the betterment of the human condition.

I hope this changes for you. When it does your life will be richer, and have infinitely more meaning. When the plight of another human being or a group of human beings touches you, open your self to it. It will change you in a way that is very important for your own personal development. When you have troubles, and someone appears to help you, learn from that, learn from them. It's a good thing.

Peace.
liw



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by USER


There's nothing wrong with giving a few pennies (literally) towards a system that benefits everyones' health care.



Are you kidding? Pennies? How about $1.5 Trillion dollars? How many "pennies" is that?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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All NHS aside, you really need to be more careful. I thought you were in your 40's with the long list of hospital visits... was thinking that isn't all too terrible. But then I read you were 17!!!
Be careful!


Originally posted by StevenDye
When I had my first tooth I fell off a highchair and put it through my tongue.

About 4 years ago I had an absyss in which the teeth were removed at hospital.

About 3 years ago I had ingrown tonails on both feet.

2 Years ago I wrecked my finger.

Last year I had my appendix out, barely before it burst.

About 8 years ago I had a stitch put into the back of my head.


Those were all NHS.

In private care (Which I ONLY can get because my dads work provides FREE private care.)

I have had a varicose (I think thats right?) vein sorted in my lower area.

I have had Supra Ventricular Tachychardia diagnosed and am having an operation to get it sorted in two weeks.

Now without my dads work funding that private healthcare, we would not have been able to afford it. And if it wasn't for the NHS neither would have ever been treated and I would have had to live with the issues they brought up. This is of course avoiding the hundreds of doctors visits I make, and will make in the near future. (Seriosuly even the doctors at hospital comment on the frequency of my visits) So I have no problem when I start paying the taxes, and personally if you don't like it, all you have to think is my money may have just saved the life of a newborn child. If you arn't okay paying them then, well I don't know what to say.

One of my next visits after my SVT is sorted is back problems....so another serious one...and I'm only 17



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyElohim
Ignores the rest of the equation: people who support national health care are willing to pay for the health of others.

And what about the majority who does NOT national healthcare?
Oh right, it's your way or the highway.



You appear more interested in inciting frustrated argument rather than fruitful debate. How about you stop maligning your opponents (and some of your audience)?

Just as I thought, you cannot tolerate people with a different opinion. Pathetic!

Try education yourself and commenting on my post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 8/12/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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Dermo
I was in London one time and the tests I went through in 4 hours, the same tests took me a year in USA. How in the world one can get treatment if you spread the tests so much apart. I put a link of Michael Moore's Sicko here on ATS twice for ATS members to watch but not a single soul tried to watch it. they are very quick to give their opinion though. I ignore people like that.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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A quick fact check.

The U.S. currently expends more per capita from the hands of private buyers than the UK, Sweden, Japan, Germany, France, Canada, or Australia. The U.S. has the highest infant morality rate out of any of those countries. The U.S. has lowest life expectency out of those countries. The U.S. spends more of it's GDP on health care than any of those countries. The U.S. already spends more government revenue by percentile than any of those countries. The U.S. government pays the lowest percentage of health costs out of any of those countries.

Citation: www.oecd.org...

Stop and think about that for a minute. The U.S. has the most expensive, least efficient system for providing something that most of the world feels is a basic human right.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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Originally posted by bakednutz

Originally posted by USER


There's nothing wrong with giving a few pennies (literally) towards a system that benefits everyones' health care.



Are you kidding? Pennies? How about $1.5 Trillion dollars? How many "pennies" is that?


If you want to start bringing trillions into it why don't you go and find out about the trillions your "pentagon" ... ... ... ... "lost"?????

Is it your pennies?? Or your TRILLIONS????

Get real.

Goodnight.




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