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'I wouldn't be here if not for the NHS': Stephen Hawking defends UK's 'Orwellian' healthcare a

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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Stephen Hawking got treated in the first place because of his status.

The normal run of mill guy with less education and stature would not have stood a chance.




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by moonwilson
If you think Stephen Hawking receives the same level of care as the rest of the people in the UK under NHS, I have some beachfront property in Arizona I would like to sell you.


well i have been treated for a malignant brain tumour for the last 8 years. I have had one of THE best surgeons in the world and again my consultants are world renowned in their fields. I have been offered the very latest in treatments and most up to date surgeries. My prognosis was that I should have died some years ago, rather than living the relatively happy life I now lead

Ok so I may not get a private room and may have to wait an extra week to see my consultant rather than one of their highly trained registras, but i really cant complain with my treatment. I wonder how an American would fair under their current health em without any insurance.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Double Eights

Originally posted by System
I really don't see what everyones problem is with this national healthcare. If you don't want it, go private. If you don't like the cheaper medication, then again, go private and get yourself the best. I've never had any problem with the NHS.



I still have to pay for it. Regardless of whether or not I want it.

THAT is why it's horsesh**.


And I still have to pay for roads that you drive on that I probably will never use, Thru my gas tax. How is that fair?


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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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RR....you are showing your true colors, again.

Dr. Hawking was diagnosed when he was in his 20s. He had no "status" then, he wasn't "famous", he was just a UK citizen getting the same attention as any other citizen. You are deperately wavng your hands, and trying any tactic you can to please your masters at the Fox "news" channel.

But, embrace ignorance, it's your right as an individual. Sad, but still your right.
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Edit to add info:

Dr. Hawking was born in 1942. Keep that in mind, and do the math, as you read the excerpt:


After receiving his B.A. degree at Oxford University in 1962, he stayed to study astronomy. He decided to leave when he found that studying sunspots, which was all the observatory was equipped for, did not appeal to him and that he was more interested in theory than in observation. He left Oxford for Trinity Hall, Cambridge, where he engaged in the study of theoretical astronomy and cosmology.

Almost as soon as he arrived at Cambridge, he started developing symptoms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (known colloquially in the USA as Lou Gehrig's disease), a type of motor neuron disease which would cost him almost all neuromuscular control. During his first two years at Cambridge, he did not distinguish himself...

Source

Gee, stings, doesn't it?



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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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As much as the Americans on ATS seem to be against a public health care system.. I actually want one. I'd love to have a system similar to the NHS here. I don't care if I'm called a commie or a socialist for this opinion.. But i think decent health care should be available to everyone.. I've heard of too many cases (even own family members) that had an emergency, ended up in the hospital and had outrageous health care bills they weren't able to pay.

I've been fortunate to have a parent who works for a good healthcare provider, but recently a glass bottle exploded when I dropped it while carrying it inside and it sliced my leg open right through the fat to the point where I think I saw the muscle. 11 sticthes later, I saw the charges they had billed to my insurance.. It was a lovely 900 dollars for that visit. Fortunately I only payed 5 of that 900. But I shudder to think if my parents didn't make as much, and I didn't have health care.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
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RR....you are showing your true colors, again.

Dr. Hawking was diagnosed when he was in his 20s. He had no "status" then, he wasn't "famous", he was just a UK citizen getting the same attention as any other citizen. You are deperately wavng your hands, and trying any tactic you can to please your masters at the Fox "news" channel.

But, embrace ignorance, it's your right as an individual. Sad, but still your right.


That is why I posted that his opinion on the matter is dated.

I doubt he has used the system in the last 10 or 20 years.

I await your insults that you are throwing around freely.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by elfie
it's remarkable how many are aghast at the number of people in the US that have no access to health care.


Ya that number is Zero. With the current system.

Every American gets healthcare, if they are rich - they pay for it. If they are really poor - they get it free.

Thats how it has worked for decades.

See we have this little rule that makes this work. Its called "Hospitals can not turn away a dying person under any circumstances."

If they turn you away and you die, your relatives can sue and get the hospital shut down completely.

The government already funds them for any shortfalls they have to keep them open. We already have government financed health care (for the poor).

See how most people do not even think this through? The only thing that needs reform in health care is the Pharmaceutical Corporations.

For too long Pharma Corp has overcharged people for medical help. No wonder people sense a problem, that problem is greed.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by Double Eights

Originally posted by System
I really don't see what everyones problem is with this national healthcare. If you don't want it, go private. If you don't like the cheaper medication, then again, go private and get yourself the best. I've never had any problem with the NHS.



I still have to pay for it. Regardless of whether or not I want it.

THAT is why it's horsesh**.


i bet you thougth the same about afganistan and iraq ,

point is you pay taxes and you should get something back for that,
and " that " preferebly not being mindless warmongering.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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For those of you who want national healthcare, go ahead and pool your resources together and start it.

I will sit out on this one. I don't give a # whether you are happy and healthy, I don't know you. I'm not going to bust my ass at work so you can get your broken arm fixed on my dime.

I'm not going to bust my ass so you can get foodstamps and buy dinner. I'm not going to bust my ass so you can get checks in them ail from Uncle Sam so you can buy school supplies.

If you want my help, COME ASK ME. Do NOT put your hand in my #ing pocket and take my money without my permission.


ANYONE who believes it's acceptable for the government to take my money to help someone else is nothing but a thief without the balls to physically take the money themselves. Instead, they will sit behind the government and ask them to do it for them.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:56 AM
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To be fair the NHS does a pretty good job and no ones being crippled with huge medical bills after being in accidents. Of course it's not perfect and it's resources are stretched but I much prefer the system in the UK to US one true we pay for it in taxes but how many lives has it saved and can there be a figure on that.

Of course we always have the option of going private if we can afford it which most people can't.

I'm siding with Hawkings on this one.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Double Eights
For those of you who want national healthcare, go ahead and pool your resources together and start it.

I will sit out on this one. I don't give a # whether you are happy and healthy, I don't know you. I'm not going to bust my ass at work so you can get your broken arm fixed on my dime.

I'm not going to bust my ass so you can get foodstamps and buy dinner. I'm not going to bust my ass so you can get checks in them ail from Uncle Sam so you can buy school supplies.

If you want my help, COME ASK ME. Do NOT put your hand in my #ing pocket and take my money without my permission.


ANYONE who believes it's acceptable for the government to take my money to help someone else is nothing but a thief without the balls to physically take the money themselves. Instead, they will sit behind the government and ask them to do it for them.



ok how much do you pay in taxes and what does your "benefits" the goverment gives you back cost them ?

im sorry but that argument your preposing is absurd.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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I doubt he has used the system in the last 10 or 20 years.


"YOU" doubt? Don't you know? Have facts? Information? Interviews with the man?

Well, better to ignore the people who actually LIVE in a country with such a system, and what they have to say that is positive. No matter if there are flaws, it will be the minority of gisgruntled you will gripe the loudest, and attempt to drown out everyone else with something good to say.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Double Eights
ANYONE who believes it's acceptable for the government to take my money to help someone else is nothing but a thief without the balls to physically take the money themselves.


don't bother paying your taxes next year then, see how that works out for you.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:04 PM
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Well, I would be all for the NHS if it were paid for by selling off the royal palaces and fortunes.


But instead the poor working class has to pay for it. And the super ultra rich don't have to bother breaking a sweat.

Great system this is.

It's the same in the USA actually. When we put it into this context.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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As far as I understand this National Health Care is a better alternative to Universal or Single payer health care. It's like medicare without any qualifications, you just have to pay for it like any other plan. I have no issue with NHS, my only issue is with a total healthcare system that strangles creative methods of delivering healthcare.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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So...looking after your fellow countrymens health is less important than funding a military budget that surpasses every other country in the world combined? America's known black project budget is around about the same as the UK's entire military budget....priorities? and as others pointed out,you are already paying to help other people in one way or another from taxes through the police force,fire brigade etc etc





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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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The World Health Organisation ranks Britain's healthcare as 18th in the world, while the US is in 37th place.

Surely all you proud Americans out there cant be happy being placed all the way down there. your meant to be the most powerful and rich nation in the world, yet your happy to tread on the weak and poor. Every American i have ever met has been welcoming and kind, I love visiting the states for that hospitality, yet many of your nations actions are very selfish. I really don't understand you guys.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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"Ya that number is Zero. With the current system.

Every American gets healthcare, if they are rich - they pay for it. If they are really poor - they get it free."

You're leaving out the vast majority of the population that is middle class (or rather, used to be). So many fall through the cracks because of denial for pre-existing conditions or don't qualify for benefits due to income, but don't have the funds on hand to seek treatment.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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And you got your Phd in theoretical astrophysics from...?




reply to post by jd140
 


He was in an NHS hospital just a couple of weeks ago, I forget what the condition was but nevertheless he still does use the system so his opinion is still very relevant.

As for those claiming he gets special treatment, any evidence would be much appreciated. But for now I’ll take it as an excuse for disregarding his opinion.



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