America Won the Vietnam War ! - Yes you heard right., page 7
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reply posted on 6-9-2009 @ 08:28 PM by jerico65
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



Trust me, your "mad survival skillz" mean absolutely dick when it comes to combat. It's nothing like what you think it's going to be like.


reply posted on 6-9-2009 @ 10:42 PM by Pappie54
Ya right. That was my war and if you think we won it, you weren't there!



reply posted on 7-9-2009 @ 10:59 AM by Mintwithahole.
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi



So you haven't got a job! Big deal. . . Join the club. You're not the only 19 year old who finds themselves at a loose end because they can't find work. Like Slayer says, if you're joining the forces because it's what you want and have dreamed of fine, go ahead, just keep your head down and don't be a hero. If you're joining up because you don't see an alternative then take a deep breath and think again. Take it from someone who has been face down in the mud while bullets whizzed by overhead- the romance and pride of fighting for your country soon loses it's appeal when your facing death in the face. And I was younger than you.. .
Why not give it another year? Who knows what you will find in the job market in those twelve months?
Please don't make the decision to sign up lightly!!! I truly admire your guts and self belief in your own abilities but when the sh*t hits the fan they wont amount to a hill of beans.


reply posted on 7-9-2009 @ 03:25 PM by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
SLAYER69- I appreciate what you're saying. Before you sign on the dotted line tell your family and friends to stop buying Chinese. {look on the label } It's important!! If you want a job..... Stop forking over all your cash Just a thought........


I don't even know what you mean by that. We buy only what we need and we make sure it is effective, regardless if it was made in China, Russia, Canada or even the US. Secondly I don't have money, I never will have any significant amount of money and as far as I am concerned, money is false power. When it comes down to it, a piece of paper or a chunk of metal isn't going to save anyone if they needed saving, and the world needs saving.

Like I said before, I have a good idea of how the US works and I live the Canadian experience, and they aren't even close. Just because we border each other doesn't mean we are the same people with same culture. We are much more individualistic, mostly because we have such a small population to country size ratio. Plus our social systems serve us well, unlike what American attack ads claim.

Please don't make the decision to sign up lightly!!! I truly admire your guts and self belief in your own abilities but when the sh*t hits the fan they wont amount to a hill of beans.


I think you're assuming the wrong things, dude. Maybe if I was some good, God-fearing city boy virgin you might make a point, but I am the polar opposite. My family is a military family, and it is simply my time to step up and do what I was raised to do (and the only thing that I want to do). The fact that I already have experience is a bonus that will work to my favor.


reply posted on 1-10-2009 @ 09:39 AM by pauljs75
If we "won" the Vietnam war, it didn't happen during our stay there. But rather sometime after... Let's say 1979. Nothing to do with casualties or other costs of conflict, but rather something about the mindset of the people. Something about finally geting some degree of national independence and wanting to keep it.

Yeah, you think communist Vietnam would be all hunky-dory and cooperative with communist China after all that help. But guess what?

Vietnam was all like... GET OUT!!!

Interesting piece of history...
Sino-Vietnamese War (Wikipedia)

My suspicions are that the group that wanted independence from foreign influence for Vietnam turned commie as a matter of convienience. To rally assistance in order to kick out the French, and then use that same support to kick out us Americans for the same reason. I'm sure they had their reasons, and probably saw the southern half as way too soft to foreign demands. But then once it turned around the other way, they're pretty much "Ah-ah... Not you either." And at that time they're well armed and experienced enough to take care of their own business. (And Russians were stirring things up too, despite having supposedly similar idealogy to China. They were all commies, right? So maybe it was a Russian win? But what did they get?)

After all that, how Vietnam appears to be these days it doesn't seem like they turned out too bad for it. (Although unfortunate neigbors Cambodia and Laos were probably made whipping boys for a good while after because their foreigner friends.) Now they're all about commerce and making a buck (and off of us dumb foreigners!) and growing some kind of middle class, just like their neighbors. So putting most of that past behind them and being good neigbors seems like the smart thing to do. The only thing that might rile them up now are areas involving coastal oil finds and fishing rights. And even then, they're more likely to be diplomatic about it.


reply posted on 28-6-2010 @ 06:01 AM by NuclearPaul
reply to post by esecallum



A very interesting view on war.

A great insight into how the elite think.



reply posted on 31-12-2010 @ 05:20 AM by Evanzsayz
reply to post by esecallum



if u come to my town and kill 120 people and i kill 119 of ur people but i force u out of my territory = I WIN


reply posted on 31-12-2010 @ 05:30 AM by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by esecallum



My friend you need to take your thinking processes a couple of stages further. You need to consider at least more than one variable when you are musing and you need to develop the skill of finding possible multiple outcomes for the ideas you consider.

You just shotoff half cocked with a silly post. The Vietnamese believe they won the Vietnam War because they made the US leave their country. People tend to think their land is sacred and will sacrifice any amount of lives for victory.
edit on 31-12-2010 by Ilovecatbinlady because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 23-3-2011 @ 03:23 AM by Leonidas
I am a veteran of the war in Vietnam. I must admit to a series of reactions to the original post, varying from disbelief, anger, wondering whether it is a hoax - or a troll, or just plain ignorance of reality, and ignorance of politics and the cultural priorities of that part of the world and how they differ from ours.

The closest I have ever come across anything similar to the above is the assertion that "we won all the battles, but lost the war", or "we accomplished our goal of assuring the russians we would fight any conflict to stop the spread of Communism"... Slightly more accurate, but still excuses.

We were caught up in someone else's Civil War. The loses of almost 60,000 Americans were too much for us, too high a price, everyone a man with a family. In contrast, several million Vietnamese died in the conflict during the American phase of this war. A war that we took over from the French, and Vietnam were not near giving up.

Those who consider themselves students of this conflict already know that it is an extension of ww2 and significiant blame can be laid at the foot of French colonialism and their stubborn reluctance to give it up, unlike almost all other combatants of that war that did give up their overseas possessions.

US military history is similar to that of ancient Egypt, neither record the losses. Often accompanied by excuses for each of those conflicts whether they be Vietnam, the war of 1812/13 and our own civil war.

To use your logic of "the combatant with the higher death toll is the loser", how would you classify the US Civil War? You would have to say that the US lost the civil war, due to the number of American dead. Over 600,000 dead.

Actually, specifically referring to that conflict, the South won according to you, as they suffered fewer losses. So you are wrong on the face of it. Unless you contend that the South won the Civil War and that we now live in the CSA.
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