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Officials see rise in militia groups across US

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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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It's like V fro Vendetta, the police will do something stupid, and the people will be angry.




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by daddyroo45
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Par for the course. Demonize the people who just want their freedom. Remember the Branch Davidians? Remember the lies that were told about them? It was Reno's job back then to make an example of any group that considered constitutional rights uninfringable.

The sleepers need to awaken. If we allow anyones rights to be infringed,our rights are diminished also. I say if you want to be in a militia,it's your right,go for it!!!


Freedom isn't free, and the militiamen and women are willing to fight and die to save it, and for the glory of their country.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:20 PM
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And of course they label them as hate groups.


We need to prove that we are not hate groups like the KKK and other assh*les. We need to show that we are the multicultural, unified people of America who believe in one language, one nation, and freedom under a republic.



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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So what equates a rise in militia numbers? Gun sales? Ammo sales? Concealed weapons permits? Camouflage clothing, and Surplus Military equipment sales?

Where are these groups forming, and how would anyone know about them, since they tend to be closed and secretive to outsiders? Militias normally do not go around advertising themselves and their numbers openly, opening themselves up to investigations, and infiltration by undercover law enforcement.
The ones that do, are poorly operated, poorly funded, and have undesirables as members.

A really effectively trained and well disciplined militia will be highly secretive. They will recruit only the best, brightest, most trusted individuals they can find, that are member only referrals. They will never chat about themselves in public, or give out any revealing information to the suppliers they purchase from. They tend to be mostly ex-special forces, or military. They tend to be mostly interested in protecting their families, and each other. Not taking on the government!

Also, some militias are formed by business men, who have the same over scope of things in mind. Protect their families, property, and each other. These are the folks who contract ex-special forces trainers to train them how to shoot, how to evade, and how to defend.

In rare cases, a really well funded militia will own a private, secure, and guarded compound somewhere, that is not open to the public. There are maybe a dozen such compounds in the USA, spread across the nation.

I don't think that militia numbers are rising at all. I suspect that the claim is more propaganda driven, in order to rise suspicions on the growing numbers of private gun owners, buyers.

Just because a metro city area may have 250,000 new gun sales in six months, doesn't mean a militia is forming.

What it does foretell, is that people feel that this administration cannot be trusted, and are very leery of counter babble put out by the Obamaites, assuring us, that our 2nd Amendment rights are secure. He and his cronies have a long history of being anti gun...and we know it. Call a liar what he is; a liar! He is lying through his teeth, and he knows he is. So do we!

He and his cabal of commie and freedom hating creeps will try to undermine
the right own and bear arms. Why? I shudder to think of what they have in mind...none of it good I assure you!

It'll all come to a nasty conclusion, because the government will push and force the gun owners up against the wall with no way out, other than to surrender their weapons, or go to jail. They will start the war, and blame the law abiding gun owners for it...because they will be deemed illegal militias!

I suggest; you make targets that look like ratfinks, and practice nailing them at 25 and 50 yards easily. If you get really good, you'll be able to nail `em at 100 yards. Stick with small caliber, scoped weapons that don't make a hellovalot of noise. An accurately placed .22 LR is just as deadly as a big bore. A .308 looks impressive, but is worthless if you can't hit anything with it. Ammo for them is well over a buck a round. A .22 is from pennies to a dime each. You can carry hundreds of them, and not even notice the weight...try that with .308's.

Your best friend would be a stainless, semi auto, mag fed, 22 LR round capable rifle with a good scope that has windage and elevation adjustments. Next is a good high powered pair of binoculars with coated lenses. ( zoom features are nice ) Preferably, rubber coated and shock resistant. Reconnaissance is always necessary. A 4x4 vehicle is a must. Stay low. Stay out of sight. Much better to evade, and then forage for your needs once the threat has moved on. Being in shape, healthy, and single is the best option. You can bug out easily. Otherwise, you'll have to hunker down. If that is the case, a very low profile is a must. Don't think your going to be a hero. `cause you won't be.

Here's to you Chuck! "From my cold dead hands!"



posted on Aug, 24 2009 @ 09:53 PM
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The premise is that officials see a rise in militia groups across the US.

That's quite an assumption.

Especially considering that a member of the militia in the US is defined in by our founding fathers as all able-bodied, adults.

It used to specify all adult, male, property owners, but with women's rights and what have you, this is now to include all able-bodied adults.

If the militia is forming more regional groups, then that may be possible, but the most effective militia groups - the Feds don't know anything about them, they hold their secrets close to the vest, and it would be difficult to insert feds into the groups.

And then even if they do, so what?

We are all the militia. By definition. By obligation.

Whether you wish to cowboy up if it becomes necessary is your choice.



posted on Aug, 25 2009 @ 08:24 AM
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They printed this "report" by the SPLC in the Miami Herald. Disgusting. I wrote them what I think of the Southern Poverty Law Center equating "patriots" and "sovereign citizens" with racists.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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"There are now thought to be over 400 militia groups in the United States, but many are believed to be inactive. The largest is the Michigan Militia, claiming a membership of over 10,000 people. Overall, militia groups allege that they have the support of over three million people, but this is more likely to number around 30,000"

thats according to Jane's World Insurgency and Terrorism, old numbers im assuming... i think 30,000 is probably a low estimate..



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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In VA the state sponsored militia is on the rise 400 new members last year.



The Virginia Defense Force (VDF) is the Commonwealth's military reserve. The force is governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.





I am a member as well are 23 other officers in my department.

Secure



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Reading the DHS's Assessment of Radical Extremists Report, I find a few things disturbing in the way the government thinks.


Historically, domestic rightwing extremists have feared, predicted, and
anticipated a cataclysmic economic collapse in the United States. Prominent
antigovernment conspiracy theorists have incorporated aspects of an impending
economic collapse to intensify fear and paranoia among like-minded individuals and to
attract recruits during times of economic uncertainty. Conspiracy theories involving
declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the
U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of
a failed economy. Antigovernment conspiracy theories and “end times” prophecies could
motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition, and weapons.
These teachings also have been linked with the radicalization of domestic extremist
individuals and groups in the past, such as violent Christian Identity organizations and
extremist members of the militia movement.


Well I guess we all knew what they thought about conspiracy theorists. Are they upset because we are too close to the TRUTH???!!??


Open source reporting of wartime ammunition shortages has likely spurred
rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—to make bulk purchases of
ammunition. These shortages have increased the cost of ammunition, further
exacerbating rightwing extremist paranoia and leading to further stockpiling activity.
Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates
attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move
at this time.


This paragraph makes it clear that rightwing extremists are criminals in their eyes, since they wrote, "as well as law-abiding citizens. What makes these extremists criminals? What law have they broken yet? Speaking out against the government? Is that a crime now?



posted on Jan, 16 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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US code Title 10, subtitle A, part 1, chapter 13 section 311.


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

The key part here is that he is only the Commander of the Militia when called into the actual Service of the United States. Until then the Troops of the Organized Militia - The National Guard are under the Civilian Command of their respective Governors.

The unorganized Militia are under the Command and direction of no one in particular and may organize themselves in the absence of such orders to defend their homes and property from any threat be it from an invading enemy force or that of a corrupt and Unconstitutional Federal Government.

Which to some might conflict with:


Article 3, Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


This is a sticky subject since this applies to individuals not the States or their duly elected legislatures:

Once a State does this:

Missouri


An act declaring the political ties heretofore existing between the State of Missouri and the United States of America dissolved.


The US law against treason no longer applies and the “unofficial militia” would in effect become Soldiers in the militia of their State or local area and according to the laws of war are lawful combatants not terrorists or such nonsense and entitled to all protections of the laws of conduct of land warfare.

You will note that the Confederate Soldiers were not tried for treason they were required to take an oath to not take up arms after they surrendered. Some were; however, like a lot in the Missouri area, treated as guerrillas and justly so tried for war crimes because they did not submit to an established governmental authority and chain of command and conduct themselves as Soldiers but rather as criminal gangs with informal leadership.

Again, the "militia" requires neither the permission nor involvement of the Federal Government to exist, organize themselves, arm & train or conduct operations as long as they do not commit crimes in so doing.

People have the right to form their own militias and to organize themselves through their own rules as they see fit. Militia groups only get in trouble when they start disobeying laws to pay taxes and or illegally and purchase weapons.

US code Title 10, subtitle A, part 1, chapter 13 section 311.

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Also, as long as you do not actively plot to overthrow the government but rather to resist and defend your property from the infringement of your liberty you have not committed treason. The difference is in offensive and defensive operations.

edit on 16/1/2011 by Golf66 because: (no reason given)



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