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Officials see rise in militia groups across US

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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reply to post by CuriousSkeptic
 


Can you please explain in detail what or who exactly these "certain demographics" in society are ?

Can you also please explain in detail who exactly are you referring to when you say "you people" ?




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
reply to post by marg6043
 


Absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of that assertion.


There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE that 9/11 WAS carried out by "Islamic Jihadists."

In fact, there is plenty of evidence for False Flag Attacks.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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So you have the original opponents of the government, the ones that spoke out against bush and previous presidents. The ones that have always been leary of the government. You have those that are just waking up to the reality of the 'the big game,' and throw in those that also are in it because of personal issues with race, couple with a now black liberal president, making it easier to disagree because of an early biased view.

I'd say that makes the number of unhappy possible militia members grow.

The other side is the government, of course out to defend itself with the only weapons it has: Public perspective and the media. Use the media to control how the public views its opposition, place focus wherever you see fit to accomplish your goals. Its like a huge game of chess. Of course the media, or whatever news sources are gonna twist things. It's not JUST the white racists, everyone can agree with that. But as long as you can build that generalization, over and over, those on the fence will learn to associate 'racist' with "militia."

It really is a civil war, just one fought with perspective and control.

Divide TO conquer. Those that oppose will be labeled, and singled out. The only way to defeat that is to understand it, and be able to think for yourself. Then you can work as one, and then, our opinions will matter.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by Karrotz]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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On the subject of 'false flags', well, I hope they don't try another one for the sake of 'unification' it would be a disaster at this point in the game. A second 9*11 would be catalyst for civil war in this country not an inhibitor.

As for the rise of the militias, well, it will only take one unifier to really take that movement into overdrive. One charismatic person with a dash genuine humility.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:44 AM
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double post sorry

[edit on 8/13/2009 by DarrylGalasso]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
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Absolutely NO EVIDENCE whatsoever of that assertion.

Its interesting that since 1980, the majority of terrorist incidents and plots in this country have been domestic in origin. Yet we immedietely regard every warning from the government as part of some false flag operation?

Let me also state, for the record, that no false flag operation has ever been perpetrated against the American people. Much of this hulabaloo on false flags stem from the revelation of Operation NORTHWOODS. Need I remind everyone that NORTHWOODS was never implemented? Clearly, this government that is so evil does have a conscience.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]


This dude is what it looks like in real life to be brainwashed by TPTB. Take a look at all of his posts. I think he should change his id to either brainwashed or tptb_puppet.

[edit on 8/13/2009 by DarrylGalasso]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Where do I sign up? lol

2nd line



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
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The only thing more abused in this country than race is the notion of the "race card."

Like it or not, there are people who are not pleased with a black man being president. Some people are overt in their displeasure, others have it bubbling below the surface. I think you'd have to be in complete denial to believe that John McCain, had he won the presidency, would have his citizenship questioned, the number of presidential death threats skyrocket and supposedly "concerned citizens" suddenly come out and give the president all thirteen rings of Hell.

Something, something, got these people to suddenly rise up and find their voices. I like to think the people simply got fed up with things. But lets face it - we had a chance to be fed up many years ago. There is a part of me that says they feel threatened by the man in office or that they feel he is easier to disrespect.




I am sure their are people such as you describe. Even know some, being white and all.

I have no problem with his skin color, I have major problems with his politics. As I was paying attention back before he got through the primaries, I knew what we were getting, it sure wasn't a Conservative. Marxism, facism and muslims were not my choice for president. I can easly name several blacks that would suit me to a T for President. bho is not one of them.

If you don't feel threatened by bho then you probably think socialism/marxism is great, I don't.

As for all the fuss from the citizens, they just aren't into socialist health care, or cap and trade or draconian actions by bho and his cronies.

Shucks, I forgot, I can be reported, hmm, maybe I should report myself for being a bad, bad little boy.

Ole Sarge



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
reply to post by marg6043
 


The only thing more abused in this country than race is the notion of the "race card."

Like it or not, there are people who are not pleased with a black man being president. Some people are overt in their displeasure, others have it bubbling below the surface. I think you'd have to be in complete denial to believe that John McCain, had he won the presidency, would have his citizenship questioned,


John McCain at the behest of the Obama camp was the center of a congressional investigation over his citizenship.

Where have YOU been?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:04 AM
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No I do not think that much of them are FBI agents, I think it is just ignorant Amerikkkans that do not like the president because of the race issue. It is easy for any person that is not white to post a comment and say race has nothing to do with it because they have never had a government and its people against them before. Most of these town hall meeting idiots that are not there to hear anything but to cause problems are the same ones that were saying that the government should not allow desegregation. Minorities are use to things going the other way against them.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka
STOP claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is derailing the thread!

It makes you sound like someone who is trying to squash dissenting voices.


But that's what they do. There's a reason why fascism is linked with populism and authoritarianism is linked with populism as well.

Freedom, rights and whatnot are just rhetoric. If these militias and "patriots" actually took over this society, we'd be the least free society around.

When they talk freedom, they mean freedom only for those like themselves. The day-to-day bile here on ATS is evidence of that.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by murfdog
The constitution of the united stats gives states the right to form militias. So under what authority dose the ACLU have to investigate them as suspected hate groups. Sounds like if you don’t believe in the Obama socialistic policy plan than you must be a racist crap.


If militias want to be taken seriously, then they need serious, responsible, and upstanding citizens to speak out for them. If all they have representing militias are the nutjobs and survivalists, militias are going to always be seen as the lunatic fringe and they'll be treated as such.

While perception may not be how something actually is, it's what causes people to make decisions.

I have yet to see "a well regulated militia", because honestly, if they exist, they have TERRIBLE PR and the crazies are just making the rest of you "well regulated militia" look like a bunch of nuts.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by mrpotatohead
A comment from a recent Town hall attendee needs to be heeded by the government..The lady said, "you have waken up a sleeping giant"., as she was talking to one of the government reps.

I think the idea of seeing a rise in militia groups, is merely an awakening of the ones already sitting on ready. it's coming, get used to it.


I find this quote interesting as the "sleeping giant" reference comes from the movie, "Tora Tora Tora" where admiral Yamamoto says, ""I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.".

The quote doesn't really match the context of what's happening, but I find it interesting that people take something meant for an entirely different situation and then apply it to the situation that they're in.

Sure the "people" could be the sleeping giant, but it's not the majority which elected the current government in. Personally, I'm chalking up most of this behavior to "sore loser syndrome". People are mad that their people aren't in charge anymore and the perception of their loss of power has them pissed off.

I could definitely be wrong, but in this case, I doubt it.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Originally posted by mpriebe81
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I'm not aware of ANY state militia that has had a blowout with the cops in even remotely modern times.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by mpriebe81]


Here's a couple incidents I found with just a quick search...

www.adl.org...

www.adl.org...

I'm sure if you wanted to delve deeper, you could find MANY more incidents where people were "taking back their country" by killing or plotting to kill it's citizens.

I think crazy people tend to gravitate towards militias because they're seen as "outside the control of the government". I mean who really wants to be under the control of anyone, let alone the government? But we have laws and those laws are for the protection of everyone, even those who people view as corrupt...



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:52 AM
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Have any of you who are calling the milita types white racists etc, ever TALKED to them and asked them WHAT their concerns are?

The stereotyping makes me sick. I moved south from Boston Mass, All my friends were horrified and warned me about the racists and illiterate rednecks. So I have spent a lot of time talking to these "Rednecks" A lot of them have college degrees, they are sharp and independent small business people with a good grip on reality. I find them much less close minded than the northerners and I have not seen much of the "racism" I have been warned about. I saw a whole lot more FROM BLACKS in Boston.

Do not go spouting off and stereotyping WITHOUT doing your homework please. And what ever you do do not play poker with one of these "redneck hicks" or you will loose your shirt.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by whaaa
Here's a thought from my deeply paranoid brain....

What if the rise in militias is actually sponsored by the FBI to ferret out the malcontents, identify them and target them for further action. Like they did with the KKK. At one time there were more federal guys pretending to be rednecks, in a KKK cell than ordinary racists. The PTB are not stupid and know quite well the techniques to suppress descent. Bush did it very well with his war.


Now that IS a scary thought! So what id this is all a distraction? What if you are right and they are just pretending to draw everyone's attention away from something else?



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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racism in the south has gotten a lot better at an almost exponential rate.

i have experienced more racism towards me from black on white, than i have ever heard from whites to whites and whites to black is so rare its kind of funny when it happens, cus the white guy is usually alone (as in no one joins in) when it happens and he gets beat up while other whites watch him.

from my personal experience, blacks are way more racist than whites. i guess if you had to deal with everything that you did, then it takes longer to wash off.


not all southerners are racist. and if you say they are, then you are just as ignorant as the people you try to portray.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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Well, first I'm not an American. I do care about the USA however, and her citizens.

It seems to me the very "Idea" of America is under threat. It appears that the American people are being set against each other. Even people who, for example, want a return to the Constitution. To the letter.

These patriots are know being turned against each other. Becoming divided by race, bills, religion etc. Whilst people with a common goal are getting angry amongst themselves, the PTB have nothing to fear.

I also feel that citizens ( all around the world ) are being pushed into retaliating against the system. For what purpose and to what end, I don't really know....But it feels dangerous.

Don't fight amongst yourselves America. Stand together. Surely, we all must stand together.

Peace.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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America and American's are notoriously called the sleeping giant for a reason. It takes alot to make their blood boil, but when it does, there is hell to pay. nice post,star for you.

It is just like at the bar when the band plays. Takes a while for someone to get brave to be the first to start dancing, but once that does the rest follow. Like where we are now...I have been mad at the oil companies since I was 17, but after I found out about what really happened on 9/11, I woke up....started spreading the news...now the last year our gov has done one after another bill/law that we all oppesed,ignoring us and calling us names...hummph. The people are pissed, and they see their local doctor/business/teacher yelling and they puff up too and soon will also be joining the "Dance"



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Something that seems to be completely overlooked, or ignored, are White Men and Women ( with Christian roots ) that are between 35 and 65 years old, that are conservatives, converts from other philosophies, etc. This long silent group has watched as the nation has steadily, politically convulsed and morphed into an afterspasm of uber liberalism, that has taken God out of the national vernacular, and allowed a culture of sickening perversions and injustices...
In 50 years, the nation has thrown out nearly every social norm that it once had...where we now have rampant interracial interbreeding, gutter language as the common tongue, overt and immoral public sexuality, the banning of all "Christian" references, and where the law has become neutered...allowing a double murderer to escape justice, because of race and celebrity. There are many more examples.
The so called Melting Pot of America, where society rallied around a common law, and idiology, has long since vanished from the land...We are now a land of secularism and cultural self interests, personal selfishness, broken public school systems, revisionism, political correctness, greed, corruption, perversion, lying liars, thieves, killers, gangs, all running amuck...
The USA was never perfect...but, it did have a national conscience, and a common good that was the roots of everyday society...there was a moral code, and a basic understanding of decent behavior...Not anymore!
As the minority numbers have increased to increasing exponential numbers, white beliefs and long held cultural parameters have been religated to the trash bin...Now, the silent minority has had enough.

This doesn't mean that there is a national movement of Whites, forming and joining Armed Militias. That claim is propaganda, meant to undermine those who are truly angry and sick of the culture of corruption, lying politicians, inept legal system, and ineffective law enforcement.
They want their nation back. They want to take it away from the special interests, and govern it as it shoud be. We are begining to witness the start of a deep division, and split of political idiologies. B.O and his wife are about to get a huge taste white rage, as he continues to push his agendas, and the media continues to be his lap dancer...negating and snubbing Whitemen and Women to the point, where they will become something of a national coalition akin to a militia movement.
On September 12, 2009, the mother of all Tea Parties will take place on the National Mall, in Washigton D.C. It is estimated that up to half a million people may seige the area.
Expect tons of name calling, propaganda, media marginalizing, finger pointing, and trouble making. The white house will send out its sanctioned goon squads, who'll create "incidences" to be palyed out in front of national cameras, laying blame on the "malcontents", such as the Militias, Neo-Nazis, Racists, and Obama haters.
The talking heads of media will not get it, and will undoubtedly side with the White House...The White House will arrogantly deride and snipe at the masses...because Mr.Perfect cannot be criticized!

The 9-12 protest is not going to be just about unwanted national health care. It is going to be about the totally wrong direction the nation heading towards,.. and the mis guided, mis informed snobocracy that is the Obama Presidency.
He will be recieving a message loud and clear, that the silent majority has no confidence in him, or his cabal of anti-american advisors.

He will be shocked by the outcome of the upcoming house elections...and he himself will be a "ONE TERMER" for the "sleeping giant" has been awakened!

All the current polls straight across the board, show that his numbers are sinking faster than an jackass stuck quicksand. He is fast approaching lame duck status, and he is to arrogant to see it!

9-12-2009 will be the beginning of the end of his administration, and the retaking of what was once America.

Thank God!




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