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Are We Stupid?

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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I got a very informative email today that I wanted to share with everybody. This email isn't about democrat or republican, it is about taking our country back and the government using our hard earned dollars on people that shouldn't even be in this country.

We Became Bankrupt

This is astounding and infuriating. Why isn't this
in the papers? Please read and pass it on.

WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?


Informative, and mind boggling!



You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:

Boy, was I confused. I have been hammered with the
propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror
that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.

I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and
over again until they are read so many times that the
readers gets sick of reading them. I also have included
the URL's for verification of all of the following facts.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal
aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: /zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school
lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: www.cis.org...

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.

Verify at: www.cis.org...

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot
speak a word of English!

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
babies.

Verify at transcripts.cnn.com...

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com... TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
and Social Services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: premium.cnn.com...

9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages
are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com... RI PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate
that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.
In particular, their children, are going to make a huge
additional crime problem in the US .

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal
aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many
as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions
of pounds of drugs, coc aine, meth, heroin and marijuana,
crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: tinyurl..com...

12. The National Policy Institute, estimated that the total cost
of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion
or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually
over a five year period.'

Verify at: www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org...

13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
to their countries of origin.

Verify at: www.rense.com...

14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million
sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
States ..'

Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY..........


Are we that stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR
AFTER YEAR!!!!!



If this doesn't bother you then just don't read it again. If, on the other hand, it does raise the hair on the back of your neck, I hope you inform every legal resident in the country including every elected representative in Washington , D.C. - five times a week
for as long as it takes to restore some semblance of intelligence
in our government policies and enforcements....




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:34 AM
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reply to post by Victoria 1
 


Your OP asked :
Are We Stupid?

Maybe a better question would be -


Are we brainwashed?



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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it's the sponging illegals


lynch the lot of them, good old fashioned radical nationalism will solve all your problems. don't hate the PTB, their illegal wars and their unconditional support of their elite cronies, hate the poor guys willing to risk life and limb to offer their families half a chance at a good life.

can you say sleight of hand? don't watch that hand, nothing interesting to see there, watch this hand instead.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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One, that 'email' is nothing but racist ranting.

Two, if we quit our military spending(and we can never know exactly how high it is due to black budget spending), then we could have money to care for ALL people in our country, legal and illegal, as we are all still HUMAN.

And to me, I dont care if one is illegal or not, they are still HUMAN, and that makes them the same as me.

I think emails/propaganda like this are trying to dehumanize a race of people. That is sad, and disgusting. It is trying to get me to see them(illegals) as less than HUMAN.

I cannot do that.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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reply to post by Victoria 1
 


Hi Victoria.

Just a question... did you try to verify any of this before posting to ATS? If so, I'd like to see what you came up with and what your analysis of the verification is.

[edit on 12/8/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 09:10 AM
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IMHO this is just another divisionary issue.

The real issues we need to be dealing with include:


  • Government corruption at all levels
  • The Federal Reserve
  • Corporate and lobbyist influence over the government
  • Manipulation of the markets
  • Misuse of public funds for corporate gain
  • MSM and celebrity complicity in disseminating propaganda
  • Abuse of authority via the police, military and government


amongst others




posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:28 AM
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So you are okay with your tax money going to people that are breaking the law, not paying taxes and not contributing to this country and taking our money. You do realize that many come over here just because they no they will get all this free stuff. How about people like you pay for them to be here and the people like me that disagree have their tax dollars go to something WAY more important like our NATIONAL DEFENSE!!!!!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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reply to post by Iamonlyhuman
 


All the verifications are listed on the thread.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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We have been bankrupt since the Great Depression.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by pieman
good old fashioned radical nationalism ... hate the poor guys willing to risk life and limb to offer their families half a chance at a good life..



You paint the FALSE picture that all illegals are just here because they are poor family folks who want to work hard and have better lives for their children. That's just WRONG.

- There are very good economic reasons countries limit the number of immigrants. Countries can only absorb just so many new people without taking a major hit to the economy. economics 101

- They are ILLEGALS. They need to follow legal channels like other immigrants. The illegals have NO RIGHT to be here. None.

- Illegals are leeches and they suck off our country. We can not afford them.

- Many illegals are here for nefarious reasons. Just ask the California police dept what percentage of crimes are committed by illegals.

Blowing absurd statements around like 'radical nationalism' is pathetic.
It's COMMON SENSE that we can't afford them and they have no right to be here.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:15 AM
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Here are some more facts....


www.endillegalimmigration.com...&_Statistics/index.shtml

"In October 2008, the illegal immigrant population stood at 11.9 million according to the Pew Hispanic Center."
(NumbersUSA).


"The U.S. Census Bureau showed that the nation's immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached nearly 38 million in March 2007, one-third of which are comprised of illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"If immigration continues at current levels, the nation's population will increase from 301 million today to 468 million in 2060 - a 167 million, or 56% increase.
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"There are approximately 7.7 million illegal aliens employed in U.S. jobs in 2008."
(NumbersUSA).


"A 1997 study by the American Academy of Sciences found that the cheap labor of illegal immigrants and poor immigrants caused a 44% decrease in wages among the poorest Americans from 1980 to 1994."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"Amnesty for illegal immigrants will cause costs to increase significantly from $10.4 billion a year to $28.8 billion. This is because an amnesty program would transform an illegal immigrant to an "unskilled immigrant with legal status" who could access various government programs. However, due to low income, these "unskilled immigrants with legal status" would likely make very modest tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"Tax payments in illegal households are only 28% of other households primarily due to much lower levels in education, which subsequently results in low incomes and even lower tax payments."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"A strategy of attrition through enforcement, which includes mandatory workplace verification and measures to curb misuse of Social Security numbers, could reduce the illegal population by as many as 1.5 million illegal immigrants each year."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"In 2007, E-Verify, a system to determine legal employment eligibility, received about 3 million queries, of which 157,000 were found to be unauthorized to work despite having previously evaded the paper version of the I-9 process, thus stopping their illegal employment."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


" Illegal immigrants collectively represent a group that is a significant menace to the public. 80% have committed serious crimes in addition to immigration violations, and 40% have violent crime histories."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"25-50% of all gangsters arrested in the criminal gang suppression efforts in northern and western Virginia are estimated to be illegal immigrants."
(Study for Immigration Studies).


"Gang investigators in Virginia estimate that 90% of the members of MS-13, the most notorious immigrant gang, are illegal immigrants."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"The defeat of the Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act of 2007 prevented the legalization of some 60,000 illegal immigrants, by providing them in-state college tuition and other education and government benefits not available to legal immigrants or citizens."
(Center for Immigration Studies).


"The DREAM Act also would have set in motion a process for potentially amnestying 2.1 million illegal immigrants, not counting the 1.4 million parents and siblings who would also likely have been legalized."
(Center for Immigration Studies).



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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reply to post by FlyersFan
 


Thank you!!!!! See there are some smart people in the US after all! I see this everyday, illegal aliens taking jobs, getting government benefits, having babies that we pay for. It is just not right and in all honesty it pisses me off! Why should we pay for them to be here? We could use this money for so many other good things.....



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by Victoria 1
reply to post by Iamonlyhuman

All the verifications are listed on the thread.



Originally posted by Victoria 1
I got a very informative email today that I wanted to share with everybody. This email isn't about democrat or republican, it is about taking our country back and the government using our hard earned dollars on people that shouldn't even be in this country.


Please know first that I am greatly in agreement that we need to do something about the illegal immigrant situations; however, the reason I asked if you had verified and analyzed this email is because I believe these types of emails are put out by those with agendas that might not be evident. Notice I asked if you had verified AND analyzed - meaning thought about the motives behind the various links before posting it to ATS. I would venture to say that most, if not all, of the people who received this email did not verify it's claims. Think about how dangerous that is for a moment.

I did not see any commentary on your part besides the usual outrage. This is a trend here on ATS that, although I have contributed to it in the past, I believe we need to get away from. I've looked at the links... this is what I found:

The first 3 were verifiable; 11 were not.


1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal
aliens each year by state governments.

Verify at: /zob77


Federation for American Immigration reform


2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance
programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school
lunches for illegal aliens.

Verify at: www.cis.org...


Center for Immigration Studies


3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.

Verify at: www.cis.org...


Center for Immigration Studies


4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot
speak a word of English!

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...


Can't verify with this link: The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.


5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor
babies.

Verify at transcripts.cnn.com...


Can't verify with the link provided - LOU DOBBS TONIGHT commentary


6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com... TRANscriptS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


Can't verify with the link provided - CNN homepage


7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...


Can't verify with the link provided - LOU DOBBS TONIGHT commentary - although in the transcript it did not say that this 30% were illegal aliens, it said that they were "not citizens" - makes a difference.


8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare
and Social Services by the American taxpayers.

Verify at: premium.cnn.com...


Can't verify with the link provided - Not Found; The requested object does not exist on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the server has been instructed not to let you have it.


9. $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages
are caused by the illegal aliens.

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com... RI PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html


Can't verify with the link provided: Page not found. The page you requested cannot be found. The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.


10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate
that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens.
In particular, their children, are going to make a huge
additional crime problem in the US .

Verify at: transcripts.cnn.com...


Can't verify with the link provided - LOU DOBBS TONIGHT commentary


11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal
aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many
as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions
of pounds of drugs, coc aine, meth, heroin and marijuana,
crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.

Verify at: Homeland Security Report: tinyurl..com...


Can't verify with link provided. Results in a web search page with no results.


12. The National Policy Institute, estimated that the total cost
of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion
or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually
over a five year period.'

Verify at: www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org...


Link goes to an e-book - I didn't want to read the book to find the quote, I bet you didn't either.


13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances
to their countries of origin.

Verify at: www.rense.com...


Not verifiable. Links to a rense.com commentary - I followed the references in the commentary for the quoted item and found that it lead to Contra Costa Times homepage.


14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million
sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United
States ..'

Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml


Can't verify with link provided. Results in a web search page with no results.





[edit on 14/8/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan


You paint the FALSE picture that all illegals are just here because they are poor family folks who want to work hard and have better lives for their children. That's just WRONG.


not all illegals, not all americans either, i imagine the proportion of mooch to man is a human proportion rather than a national one.

although, to have the drive to suffer hardship in order to attain a better life suggests a good proportion of individuals that are willing to go the extra mile to succeed, probably why some people see immigration as such a threat.


Countries can only absorb just so many new people without taking a major hit to the economy.


pop specialist non-sense, it doesn't ever seem to bear out in reality. there are good reasons to vet immigration, make sure you aren't inviting criminals in, but immigration always seems to improve the economy overall.


The illegals have NO RIGHT to be here. None.


who does? almost all americans are immigrants, lets not bother and just agree to disagree.


Illegals are leeches and they suck off our country.


but not as much as the bankers or the military industrial complex, which was my point.


Many illegals are here for nefarious reasons. Just ask the California police dept what percentage of crimes are committed by illegals.


how about you provide some actual figures instead?



It's COMMON SENSE that we can't afford them and they have no right to be here.


appealing to "common sense" is the last desperate refuge of those wishing to justify ignorance. good sense is anything but common.

[edit on 14/8/09 by pieman]



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 09:31 AM
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Interesting that most of the links not verifiable are CNN links.

But it's pretty easy to get some idea of the problem just by using a search engine. Or, you can start here:

Center for Immigration Studies

Illegal aliens linked to rise in crime statistics
RenewAmerica

Landmark Research Shows Relationship between Crime, Illegal Immigration

Statistics: Crimes Commited by Illegal Aliens

There are hundreds of other links on crime and illegal immigrants.



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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reply to post by Victoria 1
 


I read in Icke's book 'alice in wonderland and the world trade centre disaster', (which he does support with research), that the usa is bankrupt and has been for some time. Apparantly it owes much money to international bankers, and many other countries are also bankrupt to them as well. I also heard that as a result, the USA government was dissolved and that now the USA exists as a corporation run by these people, and no one knows about it.

That in fact, there is no longer a USA government. You'll have to read what he says in his book and why, and how the deception is carried out. Apparantly there are pieces of legislation that state this, and that the evidence is out there for people who want to dig for it.

If true, this wud no doubt shock a lot of people, who imagine they are electing a government to run their country; not being run by a corporation, with their country being bankrupt. Wud explain a lot of things, tho, if it is true.



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 09:54 AM
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Just look around, you see it everywhere, we have taken a superstructure and tunneled holes through it just to make shortcuts, and now we have a swiss cheese foundation, its only a matter of time or more shortcuts before our superstructure collapses.



posted on Aug, 14 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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reply to post by rapunzel222
 


That is true. Although I didn't learn it from David Icke. I learned through research at the law library.



posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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reply to post by Victoria 1
 



"So you are okay with your tax money going to people that are breaking the law, not paying taxes and not contributing to this country and taking our money. "

No I HATE and LOATH that my taxes support these people....politicians and bankers and wall street bailout recipients, yes, you are right, I loathe my taxes going to support them.

"You do realize that many come over here just because they no they will get all this free stuff. How about people like you pay for them to be here and the people like me that disagree have their tax dollars go to something WAY more important like our NATIONAL DEFENSE!!!!!"

I imagine a lot of politicians DO go to Washington because they lack will and just want free stuff....MY TAX DOLLARS!!

And the something important that I would love to see my taxes support is children and elderly people, regardless of immigration status.



posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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It is not so much that "we" are stupid as our various Congresses, Senates and Presidents for decades have chosen to do nothing about it and we have become the "easy pickins" of our hemisphere.

If put to a referendum, most citizens would would vote for immediate placement of the national guard on our southern border with full authority to arrest or shoot back if fired upon. Instead, we have cameras where we can watch the nightly "running of the illegals".

They would also vote to deport all criminals, gang members and all those not paying any taxes or gainfully employed. Start with those for the deportation buses.

Most of all, they would vote to repeal the citizenship by birth on American soil law to one that is more in line with what other countries do.

In other countries, citizenship by birth requires that the newborn be the child of one legal citizen, either natural born or naturalized.

We do not have to dehumanize people who are here illegally, to send them back to their home country or to prevent them from returning and others from entering.

We certainly can do a better job of rounding up those who came here on some sort of visa and just never leave.

Or we could simply adopt Mexico's immigration laws which makes being in the country illegally a felony with a huge fine and jail time. 10 years in prison the felon returns.

We all know these things make sense. It is, and has been, our federal government and far too many of our politicians that don't want to do the hard things and have chosen to just keep ignoring the problems around such a big population of illegals.



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