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Did you know? House Passes Carbon Cap-and-Trade Bill

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 05:14 AM
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Did you know that the House of Representatives has already passed a Cap and Trade bill? It was done on a Friday evening in June, when the MSM had gone to sleep for the weekend. It went over without fanfare.

Now it will go on to the Senate. It will be addressed after the health care issue is resolved. Obama wants it done by December so that he can look good at the international climate talks in Copenhagen next December.

This is another boondoggle that will cost us trillions in taxes and lost jobs and increased energy costs. Just another nail in the coffin of our nation.


June 26, 2009, will go down as an historic moment in world’s efforts to tackle climate change. For the first time, a Congressional body passed legislation that would place mandatory limits on the emissions of the greenhouse gases that cause global warming. By the barest margin of 219 to 212, the House of Representatives voted for a bill spearheaded by Representatives Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) and Edward Markey (D-Mass.). If it becomes law, the measure would require a massive switch to cleaner sources of energy over the next four decades. “This is the landmark energy and environmental legislative achievement of a generation,” says Phyllis Cuttino, director of the Pew Environment Group’s U.S. Global Warming Campaign.

The legislation itself is enormous. It’s more than a thousand pages long, filled with obscure provisions that will keep an army of lobbyists employed for years. It’s been resoundingly panned both by groups on the left, such as Friends of the Earth and Greenpeace, who see it as an enormous corporate giveaway, and by Republicans, who accuse it of being a massive tax that will hobble the U.S. economy. It even was attacked by the powerful farm lobby, despite a cornucopia of goodies added in the last few days to get their champion, House Agriculture Chairman Collin C. Peterson (D-Minn.), on board.


www.businessweek.com...

I don't recall seeing the bill posted on a website for all of us to review, as promised by Obama and his 'transparent' administration. Maybe I just missed it?




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Free energy already anyone???

Damn they are doing their best to drive the US into the ground.

Time for a reeeevolution people, be it using the 1st or 2nd amendment. Your goverment does not operate in the interests and wishes of its constituents and must be overthrown, as said by your founding fathers. If you can't even listen to them, then you will surely fall - undoing hundreds of years of work by your forefathers, to build the great nation of America.

[edit on 12/8/09 by GhostR1der]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 11:51 AM
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Not a surprise in the least, I recall there were a few other rather nasty bills they shoved through after the cameras quit rolling and the news channels went to looping content. Its amazing they don't do their votes by email on phone on the weekends to make sure nobody is around to notice more crap being shoveled down the throat of the people.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:12 PM
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Be Afraid Be VERY Afraid!!!!

Here is a sampling of what it will mean to homeowners.

A State or local administrator of a REEP program shall seek to ensure that sufficient qualified entities are available to support retrofit activities so that building owners have a competitive choice among qualified auditors, raters, contractors, and providers of services related to retrofits. Nothing in this section is intended to preclude or preempt the right of a building owner to choose the specific providers of retrofit services to engage for a retrofit project in that owner's building.
(3) EQUAL INCENTIVES FOR EQUAL IMPROVEMENT- In general, the States should strive to offer the same levels of incentives for retrofits that meet the same efficiency improvement goals, regardless of whether the State, its agency or entity, or the building owner has conducted the retrofit achieving the improvement, provided the improvement is measured and verified.
Elements of REEP Program- The Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, shall establish goals, guidelines, practices, and standards for accomplishing the purpose stated in subsection (c), and shall annually review and, as appropriate, revise such goals, guidelines, practices, and standards. The program under this section shall include the following:
(1) Residential Energy Services Network (RESNET) or Building Performance Institute (BPI) analyst certification of residential building energy and environment auditors, inspectors, and raters, or an equivalent certification system as determined by the Administrator.
A requirement that building retrofits conducted pursuant to a REEP program utilize, especially in all air-conditioned buildings, roofing materials with high solar energy reflectance, unless inappropriate due to green roof management, solar energy production, or for other reasons identified by the Administrator, in order to reduce energy consumption within the building, increase the albedo of the building's roof, and decrease the heat island effect in the area of the building.

Determination of energy savings in a performance-based building retrofit program through--
(A) for residential buildings, comparison of before and after retrofit scores on the Home Energy Rating System (HERS) Index, where the final score is produced by an objective third party;

Options to Support REEP Program- The emission allowances provided pursuant to this Act to the States' SEED Accounts shall support the implementation through State REEP programs of alternate means of creating incentives for, or reducing financial barriers to, improved energy and environmental performance in buildings, consistent with this section, including
providing credit enhancement, interest rate subsidies, loan guarantees, or other credit support;
providing initial capital for public revolving fund financing of retrofits, with repayments by beneficiary building owners over time through their tax payments, calibrated to create net positive cash flow to the building owner;
AWARDS- For residential buildings
support for a free or low-cost detailed building energy audit that prescribes, as part of a energy-reducing measures sufficient to achieve at least a 20 percent reduction in energy use, by providing an incentive equal to the documented cost of such audit, but not more than $200, in addition to any earned by achieving a 20 percent or greater efficiency improvement;
2. (II) a total of $1,000 for a combination of measures, prescribed in an audit conducted under subclause (I), designed to reduce energy consumption by more than 10 percent, and $2,000 for a combination of measures prescribed in such an audit, designed to reduce energy consumption by more than 20 percent;
(III) $3,000 for demonstrated savings of 20 percent, pursuant to a performance-based building retrofit program; and



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Nice catch on this one. I didn't even feel the prick of this massive needle of a bill. Wow!! Beware of Fridays!!

I'll have to look up the roll call on this. This passed through the house with less turbulence than the GIVE Act did. I did not see or hear anything regarding this.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Part two.
(IV) $1,000 for each additional 5 percentage points of energy savings achieved beyond savings for which funding is provided under subclause (II) or (III).
Funding shall not be provided under clauses (II) and (III) for the same energy savings.
ADDITIONAL AWARDS- Additional awards may be provided for purposes of increasing energy efficiency, for buildings achieving at least 20 percent energy savings using funding provided under clause (i), in the form of grants of not more than $600 for measures projected or measured (using an appropriate method approved by the Administrator) to achieve at least 35 percent potable water savings through equipment or systems with an estimated service life of not less than seven years, and not more than an additional $20 may be provided for each additional one percent of such savings, up to a maximum total grant of $1,200.


Now go check out how much new appliances, new air conditioning (that is if it will be permitted) new heating unit. Soalr and or wind generators and the equipment that runs them will cost. It is Not a pretty picture.

And though I have not gone through the whole thing yet, it is quite long, I understand that we will have limits on the amount of energy our households use and we will pay taxes on the overage and it won't be cheap!!!!



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:23 PM
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Here's the link ( I Hope)

clerk.house.gov...
well you can always cut and paste if it doesn't.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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I hope it isn't to late to tell them We Don't Want It!!!!!!

The only good thing I cas say is that my representative voted NO1

7/6/2009:
Received in the Senate, read the first time.
7/7/2009:
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 97.


I don't know about the rest of you, but God Help Me if this passes that's it I am going to have to go find a lot of cardboard and steal a good shopping cart!! It would be funny if I wasn't partly serious!!! I will definately lose my home. I have been here 20 years and there is no way I could afford any of this!!



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:29 PM
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Be quiet, go back to sleep, stop clinging to the status quo and that damned outdated unworkable constitution.

The Wall Street elite do not want you to see this bill, they are going to make trillions off the "trade" aspects of this bill.

You are feeling sleepy, your eyelids are heavy, tune in to the MSM news now, go to sleep.....



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:49 PM
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There is still time to stop it in the Senate. But we have to start now, writing and calling our Senators, and demanding town hall meetings on this.

For this harebrained idea to have any positive effect on the environmental numbers, it has to be agreed to globally.

India has already refused to participate, which will wipe out any perceived 'gains' the US might make for climate control. But who can blame them? They are on the brink of becoming a major economic power and do not want to be saddled with this hindrance.

This will break yet another Obama campaign promise, that of not raising taxes on the lowest 95%. But he does not care a whit about you or I. He wants to drive us into a racist socialist nation with total gov't control over every economic and social aspect of our lives.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 10:28 PM
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SEC. 204. BUILDING ENERGY PERFORMANCE LABELING PROGRAM
(1) PURPOSE- The Administrator shall establish a building energy performance labeling program with broad applicability to the residential and commercial markets to enable and encourage knowledge about building energy performance by owners and occupants and to inform efforts to reduce energy consumption nationwide.

I have to stop reading this crap for a bit it is making me sick!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by Iseekthetruth!!!!!!!!
reply to post by jsobecky
 


SEC. 204. BUILDING ENERGY PERFORMANCE LABELING PROGRAM
(1) PURPOSE- The Administrator shall establish a building energy performance labeling program with broad applicability to the residential and commercial markets to enable and encourage knowledge about building energy performance by owners and occupants and to inform efforts to reduce energy consumption nationwide.


Can you imagine the size and cost of the bureaucracy that will be created nationwide just to implement, staff, and manage that one little section you outlined there?

The mind boggles at the trillions that this bill is going to cost us. It will not save a penny in the balance.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:48 AM
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This is unbelievable. I have been reading bits and pieces and this is just wrong. This bill will create the jobs that Obama wants. Simply more low paying jobs tied to the apron strings of his ever swelling bureaucracy.

Pay attention to this folks. While Obama distracts you with more BS this will squeak through the Senate. General Electric will see to that.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:06 AM
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Here is a good one. I can see the abuse here. Just like back in the good old days of 1970's stereo and appliance salesmen who routinely received spifs from manufacturers to push their products. Should we be paying for this crap? I think not.


1) provide bonus payments to retailers or distributors under subsection (c) for sales of best-in-class high-efficiency household appliance models, high-efficiency installed building equipment, and high-efficiency consumer electronics, with the goal of reducing life-cycle costs for consumers, encouraging innovation, and maximizing energy savings and public benefit;


BOUNTY PAYMENTS!! in addition to BONUS payments. Who is going to oversee this corruption. Oh! let me do it. One for you three for me.


(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Energy shall make bounty payments to--
(A) retailers for the replacement, retirement, and recycling of older operating low-efficiency products that might otherwise continue in operation; and
(B) manufacturers of Superefficient Best-in-Class Products for the retirement and recycling of older operating low-efficiency products that perform the same function and which might otherwise continue in operation.


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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:14 AM
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There is still more in this little sub section of the bill.

In addition to Bonuses and Bounties there are also Premiums!! Woo Hoo cash in the bank folks.


(2) PREMIUM AWARDS- (A) The premium award payment provided to a manufacturer under this subsection shall be in addition to any bonus payments made under subsection (c).


Here is the payment structure for EACH AND EVERY UNIT MANUFACTURED!! I have got to stop reading. Imagine how much of this money will go back to General Electric.


(F) For years 2011 through 2013, the Secretary shall make bonus payments to manufacturers of the products designated in paragraph (4)(A) for each product produced in the following amounts: (i) $75 for each dishwasher. (ii) $250 for each clothes washer. (iii) $200 for each refrigerator or refrigerator-freezer. (iv) $250 for each clothes dryer. (v) $200 for each cooking product. (vi) $300 for each water heater.


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posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Theoretically, these bonus and premium payments should result in a lower cost for the consumer to buy these products, wouldn't you think?

But what are the odds that will happen?

Jib, you're right - GE is going to be one fat cat if this happens!



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
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India has already refused to participate, which will wipe out any perceived 'gains' the US might make for climate control. But who can blame them? They are on the brink of becoming a major economic power and do not want to be saddled with this hindrance.


India? How about BRIC (the Brazil, Russia, India, and China group) ?

At their May conference in preparation for Copenhagen, they ALL agreed to ignore any "global warming" initiatives the rest of the world adopted.

World's largest polluters unite against "carbon" schemes

www.abovetopsecret.com...
(this thread received exactly 1 reply; don't say 'I had no idea'.)

Together, they are the LARGEST contributors of GHGs on the planet, and will remain so far longer than any treaty that comes from Copenhagen, and far longer than it takes for their economies to grow at paces execeeding those of the "developed" world!

Just today, the Australian senate rejected a "carbon tax" proposition; with the winning coalition taking the position that they should wait 'til after Copenhagen to see what the U.S. and rest of the world decide.
(exactly as predicted in the above unread thread)

The liberal-led government has threatened to "throw the bums out" by calling for new elections if they reject the measure when the gov't. forces it upon them for a SECOND vote!

Australian Senate Rejects Curbs on Greenhouse Gases

[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/aug/13/australian-senate-rejects-greenhouse-gas-curbs

Do me a favor. Check the referenced thread, then tell me (and hopefully your Senators) where the American consumer and businesses stand in this march to ecomonmic ruin.

Deny ignorance.

jw



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary of Energy shall make bounty payments to--
(A) retailers for the replacement, retirement, and recycling of older operating low-efficiency products that might otherwise continue in operation;


Exact same concept that Cash for Clunkers was built upon..

Not for nothin', but I predicted this would happen (cash for appliances) a while back.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:43 AM
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To answer your question:

Yes I know, but no one else (except the OP and repliers, perhaps) on ATS seems to give a damn.

So, if we can't motivate even a miniscule portion of ATS members, what makes you think the rest of us who do will make a difference?

I've let senators (and reps.) in TWO states know what this is going to do. Thankfully, Texas' Senate delegation appears to have a little more concern than those of Indiana and the rest of the country. But that's only 1/30th of what it takes to get things done there.

What have YOU done?

What else can WE do?

deny ignorance
(before it's too late)
[edit to add s and f for you anyway, for what it's worth]

jw

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jdub297]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by jsobecky
 


To answer your question:

Yes I know, but no one else (except the OP and repliers, perhaps) on ATS seems to give a damn.

So, if we can't motivate even a miniscule portion of ATS members, what makes you think the rest of us who do will make a difference?

I've let senators (and reps.) in TWO states know what this is going to do. Thankfully, Texas' Senate delegation appears to have a little more concern than those of Indiana and the rest of the country. But that's only 1/30th of what it takes to get things done there.

What have YOU done?

What else can WE do?

deny ignorance
(before it's too late)
[edit to add s and f for you anyway, for what it's worth]

jw

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jdub297]


I've had plenty of brilliant ideas over the months, but am very reluctant to post them here in fear of violating ATS rules against 'activism'. I've posted some topics that I thought would create vigorous discussion, but as you say, crickets.

I swear, my reps and senators know me by name because I bug them so much. Some answer you, some ignore you. I write to local newspapers and call in to talk radio. I talk to people on the street.

But that is why I think the reaction at the townhall meetings is so encouraging. People are finally awakening.

Keep up the good fight. You can try to awaken other people, you may or may not succeed. All you can do is try.

I have had success in changing the attitudes of a bunch of people from PA, however. That is encouraging. They had voted for Obama, but now see how deceptive he is.

Baby steps.. baby steps.
ETA: I read your post on pollution. Good post!
I would have responded earlier to that thread, but honestly, I don't visit Fragile Earth forum that much.

[edit on 13-8-2009 by jsobecky]



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