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What is the nature of evil?

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posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
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If God is one, how can I be evil?
Good and evil are the same thing, they are both exercise of the will.
If I want to cut your throat, or if I want to buy you an orphanage, what does it matter to me if you rate orphanage-good, murder-bad?
Either way I am just using you in an offhand way to get my jollies...the two are morally equivalent.


This can be true, but some just do charity because they are actually caring people so they build that orphanage out of their hearts not to make themself feel good, but to make another have something better. Selflessness is the opposite of evil, the nature of evil IS selfishness. I think Buddha said that. Transending the self is how one reaches full enlightenment. With the wanting and the pride, that is the nature of evil. The Bible has it listed:

Pride/Vanity
Envy
Sloth
Gluttony
Lust
Greed
Wraith
Not necessarily in that order.

The christians did get that much right. It's absolutely true that these things are the basis of evil.


[edit on 12-8-2009 by ldyserenity]




posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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I've come to the conclusion that belief in "satan" or the "devil" as a cosmic anti-God, is in itself, evil.

We as human beings must take responsibility for our own evil, and forgive. There is no other way.

Satan is just a bad program running around in the human collective unconsciousness, which hijacks our higher self through the divided middle of should and shouldn't.

Understanding and awareness and loving ways of being, thinking and doing, stops it in its tracks.

It's only when we project it outwardly onto others, the world at large, or "the devil" that it becomes an insurmountible problem with great power, but in truth it has no power because it's like a house divided. It cannot sustain itself in a cosmos built on and for the cause of love.

It's at odds with the very foundation of existence.

And there is nothing of value in the house of evil - it's been emptied out, and the strong man bound and discarded.

May the grace and the love of God almighty reign supreme for ever and ever, amen. Real love has no opposite, and it's unrelenting.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Assuming that everything God created is good. Then it is the actions of man that makes things good or evil. So if man is the decisive factor in what is good and what is evil then what is the purpose of there being a difference between god and satan?

In addition, if god is the creator of everything, then isnt he also the creator of the things that could be considered evil. So who is to say that satan and god aren't one being. That would be truely monotheistic.

its one of the many paradoxes that Abrahimic religions fail to explain.

For God to stay good then it would be necessary for there to be no such thing as evil resulting in the absense of satan and furthermore the absense of hell. So basically all my actions would lead to heaven.

Otherwise, God could be evil. Scary thought huh?

[edit on 12-8-2009 by CosmicYahtzee]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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evil to me is to do something to someone or something without permission. There is no inner demon making people do evil things just plain ignorance and whatever turns them on.....



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Hello Mike...the nature of evil is fear. Fear is rooted in separation. Separation is a tendency of the mind and ego. The mind and ego are manufacturers of illusion. Fear is therefore a tendency to become lost in illusion.

...sorry...I felt like being very brief...I can explain further if you like.



[edit on 12-8-2009 by Silenceisall]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 03:27 PM
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I believe the nature of evil is the contrast it gives. Who would ever know that good is good unless there were evil? How does one appreciate the light, except for the dark....

The nature of good is giving. The nature of evil is taking.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Silenceisall
reply to post by mike dangerously
 


Hello Mike...the nature of evil is fear. Fear is rooted in separation. Separation is a tendency of the mind and ego. The mind and ego are manufacturers of illusion. Fear is therefore a tendency to become lost in illusion.

...sorry...I felt like being very brief...I can explain further if you like.















[edit on 12-8-2009 by Silenceisall]
Interesting view,Silenceisall I would like to have this explained further if it's no trouble to you.

Y'all have made this a great discussion.I suppose you can also say that the avoiding of responsibility is also evil,look at how society has evolved or as some would put it devolved over these handful of years.If you can avoid any kind of personal responsibility you have it made seems to be the message coming from all corners of society.I don't buy into that.It is apathy that will be the death of us all.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 07:44 PM
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That makes sense. It seems that would mean that one's degree of selfishness is then directly proportional to how "evil" one can be perceived.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, one's degree of empathy is then directly proportional to how "good" one can be perceived.

E.g. If I am almost totally empathetic towards all humans on earth, there would be no way I would detriment lives, impinge upon freedoms, or exploit other fellow brethren.







[edit on 12-8-2009 by Unlimitedpossibilities]



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaPoint
We must forgive as we are forgiven. We cannot judge, and the only one who could judge rightly, would have to be one with the all in all, and his judgement was to pay the price, and serve as a standard of love, relative to which all judgements are measured justly.

So we agree.

To come to recognize the end of evil within the standard of judgement rendered at the cross, which is mercy, adn forgiveness. Then we can forgive and show mercy as we are and have been forgiven even in eternity. That's liberating!

Then, perhaps we can get to freely laugh again, as children of one God under the dome of heaven..

[edit on 12-8-2009 by OmegaPoint]


No, we do not agree. I do not believe that Jesus being cruxified on a cross 'forgives' anyone of their 'sins'. If one is to forgive another, then the one forgiving has judged. When we judge good/bad or holy/evil it is STILL the ego doing so.

I do not believe in using 'mercy and forgiveness', because to do so is using judgement visa-vie ego. I believe in using the sight of love. There is no judgement in love, only God.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Unless Jesus was one with the love of God..? Then the frame of reference is valid, and the statement made, profound. Justice. It's important.



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Originally posted by OmegaPoint
I've come to the conclusion that belief in "satan" or the "devil" as a cosmic anti-God, is in itself, evil.

We as human beings must take responsibility for our own evil, and forgive. There is no other way.

Satan is just a bad program running around in the human collective unconsciousness, which hijacks our higher self through the divided middle of should and shouldn't.

Understanding and awareness and loving ways of being, thinking and doing, stops it in its tracks.

It's only when we project it outwardly onto others, the world at large, or "the devil" that it becomes an insurmountible problem with great power, but in truth it has no power because it's like a house divided. It cannot sustain itself in a cosmos built on and for the cause of love.

It's at odds with the very foundation of existence.

And there is nothing of value in the house of evil - it's been emptied out, and the strong man bound and discarded.

May the grace and the love of God almighty reign supreme for ever and ever, amen. Real love has no opposite, and it's unrelenting.


On the other hand, Satan is the only God appropriate to our animal nature.
Satan governs the only two feelings that apply to our actual situation, the only two feelings that we as humans ever have any right to experience, namely HATRED + DESPAIR...we feel hatred because we do not control everything, surrounded as we are by lumps of stuff that do not do our will...and we feel despair, because we die...We feel hatred + despair, then, because we are not God...Satan's problems also started from his not being God...Satan is the culture hero for all animal life, so to speak...(The next steps in this catechism cover pride, will, and the derivation of compassion (which is actually a cruel feeling, a kind of killing-and-eating (but don't get me started)) from a certain combination of hatred and despair...But again, don't get me started...



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:41 AM
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Myth,you are on to something here.What is the nature of good? now that's a deeper question,for we cannot talk about one without the other.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:48 AM
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Satan is simply the personification of all that is dark and vile in our harts it's easier to place the blame on a guy in a red suit with a pointy tail and a pitch fork then to face the fact that we are capable of great acts of good and evil.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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IMO, Evilness is just a consequence of Selfishness.
If we think better on the subject i think we can easly understend pure selfishness is behind all kind of evil acts no matter what.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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You want to make that your God, go ahead, but you do so at your own peril.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 06:15 AM
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i have had a terrible 'evil' act happen in my family as some of you know already. My father was murdered 7 years ago. I thought.. how can someone be so evil?
With lots of conuselling and healing time I think differently now about it. I also know details of the persons life who killed my dad. i could write loads on this tragedy but simply put - he was living in fear.
I feel 'evil' ... 'live' backwards is doing just that .. living backwards to the light. Fear is the opposite of love.
Thats just my opinion through my experience.

love and light
ps



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 07:30 AM
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Human construct for socially and individually destructive activities.



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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Evil is an action or a force that is perceived as having a strongly negative energy. This is the mind making a judgement. For example, some believe that socialism is evil while others feel it is a force for good. Both opinions have no bearing on reality because they are the products of mind and thought. They belong to the same material fabric as socialism. Without those opinions, socialism would not exist.

Evil then is a concept, but fear is something real. We feel fear like we feel hungry or we feel pain. It is fear that causes us to harm others. What do we fear? We fear the unknown. What is the unknown? The unknown is anything that we do not identify as ourselves.

Now we have gotten to the heart of the issue. The heart of the issue is separation. We are incapable of experiencing fear if we do not see ourselves as findamentally separate from existance. People like to talk about enlightenment, which is also just a concept, but realizing the unity of creation does wake you up. When you are awake you do not fear. Evil, well that doesn't even enter the picture.

best to you....



[edit on 13-8-2009 by Silenceisall]



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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Evil is something that does not exsist,
Because of that statement it does exsist.

Evil is ignorance of the good of One,
IF god is perfect everything right now is,
not seeing this, ignorance is evil.

Before you can see, you have to grow,
evolution, growth, in love

love is understanding, and understanding is
justification

newer words for regret, repenting and forgiving,

but they are the same.

The cross of understanding is the cross Jesus showed us,
because by honesty you take the pain on you
by ignorance you kill pain and you can be happy in a for you
still unperfect world, you do not justify god, so god can not justify you.
God is One, the blessing of the torah kills the rules of the torah
for eveyone who is a witness of Himself = growing.
The curse is for what is divided, lies, because god is one.
There is your choice, grow love or ignore.

thats the lesson of history and it is the lesson of the next few years.


until now everything we decided or chose was based on faith.
Atheism disprooves itself finally, because they act the same as religion.
Observation is their game, the same for science.

The smalles thing we can find in our universe it the only thing humans could know.
Believes. We believe. An atom is a believe, by majority.

Believes are only possible by connection.
Life is One. Love is becoming One. Love grows by honesty. Honesty transforms anger into understanding, this is justification and is love.

God is One, message of every religion, but misunderstood.

thegospeloflove.com



posted on Aug, 13 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
the only two feelings that we as humans ever have any right to experience


Any right to experience? How so? If we are here to experience it all, then who or what decides what you've earned the right to have?

So, when you are in a naturally beautiful area, do you believe you still deserve to feel despair and hatred? If not, then why would one need to feel, and be driven by, those feelings when anywhere else?


Originally posted by nine-eyed-eel
we feel hatred because we do not control everything, surrounded as we are by lumps of stuff that do not do our will...and we feel despair, because we die...We feel hatred + despair, then, because we are not God.


Sorry, I just can't see life this way. For me this is a heavily depressed view of the world around you, one missing all the great things about life as a human being. One totally out of balance.

Most people garner enough control to create some comfort zone lifestyle materialism. Many seek other forms of control, but, it is not done out of despair or hatred, it is done in a struggle for energy. And this only happens because we have been withheld vital information about how to energize ourselves when we feel the need.

Imagine if a person with deep depression, anxiety or anger issues had instead been taught from a young age how to make themselves feel energized, calm and buzzing from within whenever they wanted to.. in a way that wouldn't get you arrested in public either. I think that person may have chosen a different path as they focused on the positive, self-giving choices regularly, and less on the destructive acting out/reacting ways to gain energy from other people.




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