The little girl who talked about mean signs at the Obama town hall (Dem plant - proof)

Originally posted by badgerprints

That's the problem isn't it.
Back when these were started it was touted as a way to get the politician in touch with the people. It was intended to let the PEOPLE be heard. The politician can just have a press conference if he wants others to hear him. This particular politician has the ability to address the entire nation.

The idea that a town hall meeting is placed in an area of Obama supporters with 30% selected and 70% random from a pool of obama supporters so that Obama can explain health care to them is laughable. It's a dog and pony show and doesn't come any where close to reality.

The PEOPLE WANT TO BE HEARD. If yelling and screaming is the only way that anybody will listen then more power to them. Get the message out with the mob.

Better to scream bloody murder and prevent another disaster for the taxpayers than to smile politely while they steal what little we have left in our wallets.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by badgerprints]

by people you mean EVERYBODY right? both those who oppose the bill and those who support it? So far, all i hear about are the ones who are carrying on and making a scene against it.

Originally posted by badgerprints
The idea that has been pushed for weeks now is that there are no citizens that would actually stand up and say what they think.

That's not exactly true. The idea that has been pushed is that there are SOME organized protests out there that have been set up by the Republican party, complete with instructions to yell and disrupt the town hall meetings and basically be total jerks. That is a fact. That's not to say that every person who speaks out against the bill is part of that organized effort.

If it's a middle class American taxpayer who disagrees with Obamas "health care" plan then they are just consevative set ups.

Not at all. That's not my claim at all.

How is it possible that you believe pissed off Americans that will stand up and say what they think dont exist?

I don't believe that. You assumed that.

An orchestrated lie is fine with you, but real people who are fed up with being stolen from are somehow a dog and pony show?

Again, not true. I never said the orchestration was fine with me. It's not. But at least I disagree with it, regardless of the political persuasion. You, on the other hand, support screaming, yelling and disruption, while regaling against those who would ask a question to give Obama the lead in to get his info out there...

And I also didn't say anything at all about real people who are frustrated with the current climate. I know they exist and I support them speaking their minds, as long as they do it peaceably.

How is it possible that there are no real people in your world?

Again, your working from your own incorrect assumptions.

Originally posted by badgerprints

Ha,
The idea that has been pushed for weeks now is that there are no citizens that would actually stand up and say what they think. If it's a middle class American taxpayer who disagrees with Obamas "health care" plan then they are just consevative set ups.
How is it possible that you believe pissed off Americans that will stand up and say what they think dont exist?
An orchestrated lie is fine with you, but real people who are fed up with being stolen from are somehow a dog and pony show?

How is it possible that there are no real people in your world?

That seems to be the status quo. When people go to one of these town halls and don't get their question answered, what do you expect them to do?

I think the Dems are making a critical error in trying to dismiss all opposition to their Healthcare plan as "sour grapes" or "insurance company plants". While there may be some that do that, the vast majority of people attending these meetings are ordinary Americans that are feeling that their voices aren't being heard. Even on this board, you hear opposition from people I would describe as more Liberal/Democratic leaning than the other way around. What makes the Democrats think that sample is not indicitive of the Townhall meetings as well? That some here seem to think it's ok for the Administration "play the same game" by putting it's own "plants" in is just plain disgusting.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Roll back the Bush tax cuts.......limit tax deductions for the rich, (I pay for the taxes they get out of) and tax loopholes. That's how you pay for it. I think more people should READ this bill on their own, the whole bill, and not be blindsided by word of mouth from the fear mongers.

I love this, "roll back the Bush tax cuts" - because the public makes too much money.

Let me tell you something, the rich in this country do not pay income taxes.

They pay capital gains taxes.

Steve Jobs annual salary from Apple is 1 dollar.

Anyone that has to get up in the morning, go to work, and exchange their labor for dollars is WORKING CLASS.

Doesn't matter if you make a million a year or 10,000 a year, you are slave labor and the government owns you and your wages.

Rolling back the Bush tax cuts in the middle of a great depression isn't exactly the brightest of ideas. In case you haven't noticed, a third of the country is unemployed at the moment.

Government tax revenues are down a HUGE amount, they would have to repeal the bush cuts and pile on a ton more just to break even. But since that would be like putting a gun to the economic head of this country and pulling the trigger, I guess we can count on the Dems to do exactly that.

The proposed plan is economic suicide, but I guess since this country is toast anyways it doesn't matter one way or the other.

23.7 trillion looted.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I also didn't say anything at all about real people who are frustrated with the current climate. I know they exist and I support them speaking their minds, as long as they do it peaceably.

This gets down to the crux of it then.

First off, people arent frustrated. They are mad. Mad enough to murder. They are mad because once again there has been a giant political/corporate free for all that is selling our taxpayers down the river and half of the damn country has put ANOTHER lunatic into the king clown seat who wants to steal what little we've got left.

They don't listen to us-ever. They listen to lobby.

Meanwhile supporters of the insanity plead for calm and peaceful discourse.

Peaceful dialogue is a lie. It doesn't exist in politics. It only happens when it is a set up by the politician in question and then it is pre set as an agenda.

I'm fed up with speaking my mind 'peacably' as you put it. It does nothing but get ignored and marginalized because it's not in the agenda to be listened to. Quite frankly , peacefully speaking ones mind with our political system is the same as agreeing with them because it allows them to once again continue on their destructive and selfish path that has nothing to do with the welfare of the citizens.

The time for being nice and polite is over. The time for being easygoing and trying to "discuss" is past. It is a lie and leads nowhere.

It is time to stand up and scream for our rights. No single politician anywhere in our country should go a day without having thousands scream bloody murder at him. They have gotten away with this garbage for too long.

Go have your peacful discourse and see how far it gets you. It only supports the status quo.

I saw this exact question and I don't remember him ever blaming anyone for anything. He simply stated that this idea to give people more options (not pulling the plug on anyone), was completely twisted around through the media just like everything else, into this huge conspiracy about killing old people. Also, he didn't blame republicans for it. He said the person who originally brought up the idea was just trying to give people more options and didn't mean for it to turn into this grandma killing thing.

There are some good conspiracies out there. Believe me, I love this stuff. But this one is just plain stupid. This is just another thing that allows everyone to start pointing fingers at everyone else instead of concentrating on what the real problem was. Healthcare. Try and allocate your time to something that might be useful.

Yeah, I'm thinking all this talk is academic.

I don't think we have much more than a year before the currency fails.

If the next bond auction is a failure like the last one was, it will most likely cause a run on the dollar. If that happens, everything that America imports will go up in price overnight by a tremendous amount.

We are talking Zimbabwe style.

So this healthcare nonsense is really pointless.

All this bickering over a socialist healthcare policy that there is no way we can afford anyways. Its like two unemployed people arguing over a Mercedes on the showroom floor. Its totally pointless because they can't afford it.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And I also didn't say anything at all about real people who are frustrated with the current climate. I know they exist and I support them speaking their minds, as long as they do it peaceably.

When somebody comes into your home and starts rearranging things even after you have asked them to stop peacefully, taking your TV's and items of sentimental value to you, telling you how you should wash your dishes, clean your house, and then taking the responsibilities away from you because they think "you aren't doing it right".

I would really like you to continue to peacefully air your grievances with them. If you don't stand up and shout and yell at them to stop, then you have no backbone and they are just going to continue to run over you.

That is where there country is at right now, the government has come in and done all these things, they have written to their reps, asking them to stop. They haven't listened.

The time to be "peaceful" is over now is time to be Mad and angry stopping short of violence to get them to listen.

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Originally posted by mnemeth1


All this bickering over a socialist healthcare policy that there is no way we can afford anyways. Its like two unemployed people arguing over a Mercedes on the showroom floor. Its totally pointless because they can't afford it.

That's the problem. The guy in the big office is going to sign the contract and drive off in the Mercedes and the two unemployed people will get stuck holding the bill.

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by mnemeth1


All this bickering over a socialist healthcare policy that there is no way we can afford anyways. Its like two unemployed people arguing over a Mercedes on the showroom floor. Its totally pointless because they can't afford it.

That's the problem. The guy in the big office is going to sign the contract and drive off in the Mercedes and the two unemployed people will get stuck holding the bill.

They have already driven off with the Mercedes bud.

23.7 trillion has already been looted.

This healthcare bill is only like 1 or 2 trillion.

A drop in the bucket.

The money has already been taken.

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
The time to be "peaceful" is over now is time to be Mad and angry stopping short of violence to get them to listen.

And what makes you think they have any interest in what we say, even if they DO listen. What you say to these people has as much meaning to them whether you whisper or shout. Getting mad and angry and yelling and screaming is just going to give them a reason to put you behind bars. That's stupid. These quaint little public tantrums people are throwing aren't doing ONE BIT of good. They are making NO difference.

We must come at it from a different angle. Don't ask me what that is, but pretending that getting angry is going to make a difference is pure fantasy.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
The time to be "peaceful" is over now is time to be Mad and angry stopping short of violence to get them to listen.

And what makes you think they have any interest in what we say, even if they DO listen. What you say to these people has as much meaning to them whether you whisper or shout. Getting mad and angry and yelling and screaming is just going to give them a reason to put you behind bars. That's stupid. These quaint little public tantrums people are throwing aren't doing ONE BIT of good. They are making NO difference.

We must come at it from a different angle. Don't ask me what that is, but pretending that getting angry is going to make a difference is pure fantasy.

Anger is the first stage of action.

Anger is a motivator.

Action follows.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by pavil
I just mention it in that President Obama was asking for "tough questions" and in a crowd that was supposedly 70% random and not one anti-goverment healthcare person managed to get a question in????

The area is highly Democratic.

No it isn't, unless you include the plants from out of state, such as Manning and at least one other questioner from Massachusetts.

NH is not highly Democratic.

The crowd was so obviously hand-picked by Obama's goons that it was disgusting to watch. They even had to import their supporters from out of state.

That and Obama's unchallenged lies about the AARP and his stance on a single payer that not only went unchallenged, but were applauded, made this farce just another disinfo episode from this administration.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

And what makes you think they have any interest in what we say, even if they DO listen. What you say to these people has as much meaning to them whether you whisper or shout. Getting mad and angry and yelling and screaming is just going to give them a reason to put you behind bars. That's stupid. These quaint little public tantrums people are throwing aren't doing ONE BIT of good. They are making NO difference.

We must come at it from a different angle. Don't ask me what that is, but pretending that getting angry is going to make a difference is pure fantasy.

What so people shouldn't even try? People are doing to first thing they know how to do when somebody is doing something they don't want them to do. Yell and scream and telling them NO and to STOP.

The different angle will only come after everybody is on the same page and screaming and yelling doesn't work, then people will start thinking of other ways to get their attention.

You said yourself you don't know what the alternate angle is, but you know what, these people are at least trying to do something. You can't get put in jail for screaming and yelling at your congressman.

These people are actually trying to make a difference the best way they know how. So don't knock on them for trying to make a difference.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

everyone should realize that there are people that don't care what obama does...it is going to be wrong all the time...that's why these posts have become useless, and boring.

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everyone should realize that there are people that don't care what obama does...it is going to be wrong all the time...that's why these posts have become useless, and boring.

I'm going to change one word in your quote:

My correction to what you said:

everyone should realize that there are people that don't care what obama does...it is going to be right all the time...that's why these posts have become useless, and boring.

We are on a conspiracy site, the Dem's have come out and accused the right of all the protest against health care reform of being "astroturfed" and here is proof that the Dems are being hypocrites of doing the same thing that they are accusing the right of.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

Why did Obama immediately say the republicans did it as if that makes it right?

If someone I did not want was coming into my house and doing anything from feathering my foot to stealing my tv, I promise you I would not stand up and yell at them. I would stand up and shoot them 3 times center mass, take their money, and call the police.

I don't know if many of you have children, but I have a 4 year old girl. She is a hellion, beautiful, sweet, and does not understand the word "no", just like my wife heh. When she acts out and does not listen there's obviously several degrees of punishment, from nominal verbal altercations, to a physical reprimanding. Now overall she is a good girl, the proof of our ability to raise children properly is evident when she is around children in her age group, but that is never a reason to let your guard down as a parent.

People are fundamentally short sighted they do not think too far into the past or too far into the future, as a good parent and as a career this is my job so I have a slightly different opinion on this matter. We as a nation have been screaming at the administration for 50 years...the protests during the 60s and the 70s, the vast amount of political movements (hippies, beatniks, KKK, black panthers, ETC). Nothing has changed, in fact the administration gets a kick over verbal altercations, this I assure you. Try telling a capital G God no, and see how he responds, probably much like our administration, they laugh and then smite the little ants even more.

The truth is out there, ever more the truth is omnipresent. It is no longer a problem of information gathering its an issue of balls. This might have all ended up off topic but I am responding to the situation. Proof of our administration using social manipulation through their social manipulator "the media". You want to continue shouting in a theater in which you can no longer be heard because the fat lady is singing at the top of her lungs? Well go ahead, I do believe the definition of insanity is one who continues to do the same things over and over again expecting different results.

You want to wait until the military police are roaming down the streets in LAV 25s, using the new Israeli caseless bullpup riffle, wearing titan 2 tactical vests, with all manner of grenades and nerve stop agents? Be my guest. Because then no matter of butt slapping will stop them, it will take a civilian military force never seen to date in the history of our civilization.

But we can take it one day at a time, see if this is really where its headed, see if every event that keeps slapping us across the face is indeed a sign, or just chance situations that add a crick in all of our necks.

This event proves the government is beyond censorship, no ones personal voice is even being heard to be censored, we are now into full blown social creation where nothing we hear outside of our own experience can be considered real. Where is it going next?

Originally posted by mnemeth1


Anger is the first stage of action.

Anger is a motivator.

Action follows.

Any bouncer in a bar will tell you they prefer angry antogonists. Angry or drunk...just as well. Lots of flailing and emotion. So much easier to deal with than someone with calm, predetermined intent.

"Action follows"...well that is true, but my money always goes to the prepared guy calmly and purposefully waiting for that angry action.

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MAN CARRYING OBAMA HITLER SIGN AT REP. DINGELL EVENT WAS DEMOCRATIC PLANT

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yet another, nothing is what it seems,
don't believe your own eyes,
question everything.

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