UFO's since 1870, page 1
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Topic started on 11-8-2009 @ 05:52 PM by summerdreary
Theres a website out there called UFO casebook, and under its photo section they have pictures of vintage UFO's, the oldest dating from 1870 in mount washington. This kind of sighting is not new, and this picture was cigar shape. 1870. We can rule out many things if go far back enough- jets, chinese lanterns- things that didn't (or wouldn't be on the top of mount washington) in 1870. I want to get some discussion and analization on this one.

The next is claimed to be from 1927. What is odd is it has the 'retro' pictures of UFO's all have retro looking spaceships, and that could suggest that, indeed, it is the goverment testing craft, because we have seen the style of ufo's change.
It is just a thought, I dunno.
Here is the picture.
[img] www.ufocasebook.com... [/img]
Can we get some people testing to see if this is fake, or what it is?
I personally love this one, because it is written on, giving it more credibilty. Here is the story behind it.
"This photo was taken by my father Edward Pline at the sawmill in Ward where we lived at the time. I think it was 1929. I was about six years old then. My father was there to photograph the sawmill for some reason or another, and as he was taking the photo, he described a 'terrible thunderous bellow,' and a large round thing as big as a very large boulder that moved through the air above them. You can see it in the picture. None of the sawmill workers saw the thing in the photo, but they all heard the sound and felt the ground shudder. Later in my life I tried researching the incident at the County Historical Society, but I did not find any references to it. My father passed on a few years after the incident, and I have not found any surviving sawmill workers from that time."
The photo:
[img] www.ufocasebook.com...[/img]

The link to the website is here.
www.ufocasebook.com...
If you find one that you find interesting, post it here.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 06:20 PM by jkrog08
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Your image code is not working, so here you go:



1870-Mt. Washington, New Hampshire. This photo is dubbed, "the oldest UFO photograph ever taken." This item was the subject of bidding at Ebay in 2002, when finally the photo was purchased for $385.00 by Samuel M. Sherman, who was the president of Independent-International Pictures Corp. This was originally a "stereo" photograph. Certainly it was difficult to manipulate photos at that time, and remember, there were no flying objects then; at least, not from this world.



1927-Oregon. Taken in Cave Junction, Oregon. There is some question as to whether the photo was taken in '26 or '27, but nonetheless, if this is an authentic photograph it is incredible. Reportedly snapped by a volunteer fireman. Be sure to click to see full size image to really appreciate the picture.




1929-SlideWard-Colorado Ward Sawmill, April-This incident is retold by the photographers daughter: "This photo was taken by my father Edward Pline at the sawmill in Ward where we lived at the time. I think it was 1929. I was about six years old then. My father was there to photograph the sawmill for some reason or another, and as he was taking the photo, he described a 'terrible thunderous bellow,' and a large round thing as big as a very large boulder that moved through the air above them. You can see it in the picture. None of the sawmill workers saw the thing in the photo, but they all heard the sound and felt the ground shudder. Later in my life I tried researching the incident at the County Historical Society, but I did not find any references to it. My father passed on a few years after the incident, and I have not found any surviving sawmill workers from that time." Hetty Pline


Images and text courtesy of ufocasebook.com



As far as the pictures go, they are definitely not CGI, although as far as I know no one has claimed hoax on these. Of course they could always be physical hoaxes (ie;models, hubcaps, etc). They definitely are interesting and should be considered legit until an something proves otherwise, which may never happen anyways because the witnesses are either really old or dead and the pictures are extremely old--there are also limited methods available for discerning hoaxes from physical photographs. As far as UFOs looking different...Not really, we still see all those shapes today, there just appears to me more triangles (possibly ours) and orbs.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 06:41 PM by jkrog08
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For some reason I want to think the 27 photo is a hoax, hold on while I check.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 06:45 PM by TheMythLives
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Yea, the 1927 photo reminds me of that guy, Meiers? Whatever his name is and his hoaxs where he held up the devices by a string and snapped away. It kind of resembles that in a way.

The 1870 one kind of looks like a Submarine in a way and kind of looks like a blimp. But I have no idea.

The 1929 one, I have no idea..lol.. Beats me.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 06:56 PM by jkrog08
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The Cave Junction one, from what I can tell (as I thought) as never been disproved, but some speculate it was taken in New Mexico in 1960, it is just nearly impossible to tell unless of course some analysis was ever done on the film itself to confirm the date of circulation for the film.

The cigar object does match up with the numerous "airship" reports during that time so it does have that going for it.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 07:14 PM by gemineye
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To me, the first pic looks like a flying cross tie from a railroad, lol. I suppose those would have been plentiful back then. Well, not the flying kind, hehe.

This is a very interesting post though. It really fascinates me that unexplained things were being seen in the skies way before the technology we have today was developed. S&F!


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 07:26 PM by jkrog08
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I believe he was at a higher elevation on the mountain reportedly. The sighting also coincides with the many "airship" reports around that time frame.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 07:30 PM by gemineye
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me. Sometimes i just think TOO hard when I'm trying to figure out these things.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 07:33 PM by jkrog08
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Well these older pics are just real hard to investigate, because the witnesses are likely dead. I am just curious as to why no one as done a age study on the Cave Junction film?? Maybe they have and I missed it, highly possible..


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 09:39 PM by jkrog08
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I have been dying to ask you this Tesla..........So do you beleive any aliens are piloting these UFOs or do you think they are all top secret Tesla craft? Just curious....
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