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reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 01:10 PM by Asktheanimals
Isn't this exactly how Clinton was treated?
The Republicans have been led by the neo-con faction for well over a decade, supplanting the old true Conservatives and sidelining them to virtual obscurity. True Conservatism went the way of the passenger pigeon years ago.

Bush 43 summed it up nicely when he said to the UN assembly " Either you are with us, or you are against us".
The New Republicans (my term) thrive on conflict and the rhetoric of war. Notice they have given us the wars on Drugs, Terrorism, etc. and freely create new governmental agencies to fight these supposed "wars". Which coincidentally we have yet to win any one of).
These wars were never meant to be won, they are simply tools for them in their struggle (mein kampf) for ascendancy in every area of life.

One could hardly expect the inheritors of philosophy from Nietzsche, Strauss and Schmitt to be anything else. They thrive on wars that they make others go fight. This makes picking the bones a much easier task since everyone else is preoccupied.

So we have the Republicans playing the warrior role while the Democrats have been cowed into taking the "victim" role. This creates a wonderful setting for theater but somewhere along the way they forgot the audience.

In turn I believe there is a higher power beyond the RNC and the DNC that controls both sides as the banker bailouts plainly demonstrated.

We can get new puppets all day long but the show will go on following the lines given by the script writers.
The only cure is to remove the puppeteer.


reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 03:48 PM by QueSeraSera
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by SkepticOverlord


It's over. The Tea Party has won.
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The problem is that if Obama caves to the Tea Party then he has - zero - chance of getting
re-elected. His political base will disappear.

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In the end i see Obama flipping a coin in the oval office.

Heads: Cave in to the Tea Party. Do not raise taxes during a horrible economy with
a 9.2% unemployment rate.

Tails: Declare the GOP to be unbalanced and the Tea Party a bunch hostage takers.
Declare the democrats in the Senate to be a bunch of sanctimonious fools.
Sign the executive presidential order to raise the debt ceiling by $2.4 Trillion.
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I vote "tails". Obama is damned if he doesn't, and damned if he does anyway. Show some spine and assert the responsibility that's supposed to be incumbent with the office. Toss all the clowns out of this circus and lead. That's what you were elected to do.



reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 04:37 PM by crimvelvet
reply to post by Asktheanimals



.....In turn I believe there is a higher power beyond the RNC and the DNC that controls both sides as the banker bailouts plainly demonstrated.

We can get new puppets all day long but the show will go on following the lines given by the script writers.
The only cure is to remove the puppeteer.


The voice of REASON.

If the conservatives and liberals can at least agree on this one item, then maybe we can take our country back from those intent on raping it. - The Banksters

How about a Proposition place on the ballot of ALL fifty states ending the Federal Reserve and making banks libel for ALL the debts they have incurred and UNCONSTITUTIONALLY dumped on the American tax payer. Call it the No More Free Lunch Referendum.

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"Daniel Davison, head of London’s Morgan Grenfell, said, ‘The American banks have brought the necessary money, customers, capital and skills which have established London in its present preeminence . . . .

only the American banks have a lender of last resort. The Federal Reserve Board of the United States can, and does, create dollars when necessary. Without the Americans, the big dollar deals cannot be put together. Without them, London would not be credible as an international financial centre.’"


Thus London is the world’s financial center, because it can command enormous sums of capital, created at its command by the Federal Reserve Board of the United States.
www.apfn.org...



What does it mean by "lender of last resort"???

From what I can gather the USA is the ONLY country where US citizens and their government are forced to pay the bad debts of the bankers (2008 bailouts & Roosevelt's gold confiscation) Iceland was able to tell the Bankers to take a flying leap, the people of Iceland WOULD NOT bail them out. This despite efforts to get Iceland into a IMF SAP 'Iceland is bankrupt'; IMF rescue seen as only hope followed by Iceland determined that it was under no legal or moral obligation to underwrite the reckless behaviour of its commercial banks...

Isn't It time we FINALLY make the Banksters liable for their debts instead of the US tax payer??? If Iceland can grow a pair isn't it time we did???
"The Fed Note is essentially unsound. It is the worst currency and the most dangerous that this Country has ever known....: 'The Fed Notes, therefore, in form, have some of the qualities of Government paper money, but in substance, are almost a pure asset currency possessing a Government guarantee against which contingency the Government has made no provision whatever.'

"Hon. L.J.Hill, a former member of the House, said, and truly: "They are obligations of the Government for which the United States received nothing and for the payment of which at any time, it assumes the responsibility: looking to the Fed to recoup itself.'

Gambling debts [of the FED cv]...."The U.S. Treasury cannot be made liable for them. The Fed currency must be redeemed by the Fed banks or else these Fed banks must be liquidated....

Congress McFadden 1934 Speech before Congress www.afn.org...



reply posted on 26-7-2011 @ 10:47 PM by poet1b
Wow, I have never seen this thread before. How did I miss it.

That repubs are so entrenched in bringing down Obama, it should at least make people realize that demos and the repubs are not the same, that they are very different. Neither party represents main stream America right now, but they are very different.

Obama's biggest problem is that he doesn't stand up to the right wing nut cases. And the Democrats in congress have an even bigger problem. They need to learn to get down and dirty, and put on the brass knuckles.

The demos have handcuffed themselves with political correctness, and pushed out the part of the party that had some balls, and so they have become complete wimps.

Obama needs to stop trying to compromise with the repubs who control the house and go full Roosevelt on em. Go on full political attack, pointing out every wrong turn the republicans have made that put us into this position, that is the only way he is going to get any respect from the U.S. working class, and that is the group he needs to discover.

Get tough on illegal immigration, and immigration as a whole.

Time to get hardcore about going after white collar criminals of all kinds, especially those who hire illegals.

Start screaming for the funds to make these things happen.

Point out that the last time Joe sixpack seen an actual raise was under Clinton with high taxes on the super rich, and call for a return to what worked last time things were working.

If Obama start demonstrating that he has a pair, he could still win this thing. The repub party is far more disliked than Obama. The only way forward for Obama is to start standing up to these wackos. He will win a lot more support that way.


reply posted on 29-7-2011 @ 12:59 PM by desert
Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Isn't this exactly how Clinton was treated?


This article from 1998 puts the impeachment event as a cultural battle, which to a great extent is the same as today's budget battle. IOW it's way more than money.

Replace the word "impeachment" with "default", and I hear default as a do-over, a chance to remake the nation anew "culturally, politically, morally".
"It would be an enormous emetic -- culturally, politically, morally -- for us to have an impeachment," says the Rev. John Neuhaus, who edits the conservative magazine First Things. "It would purge us."


Funny thing is, the purging this time is like a bulimic who purges. After overspending on war dollars while at the same time reducing income to pay for the wars, some want to spit out the debt incurred. Nonetheless, there is the budgetary/ideological purging/repudiation of "Communist/Marxist/Socialist" programs and underlying values.

Clinton and, going back further, LB Johnson were ultimately guilty of going against their Southern "good ole boys" values re relationship with "coloreds", Clinton having political and personal friends who were not white, and LBJ having signed both Civil and Voting Rights Acts. Just as with some who opposed LBJ's actions back then, some are touting "states rights" amidst federal budget concerns (let alone health care and immigration reform).


reply posted on 29-7-2011 @ 01:29 PM by inforeal
Conspiratorially speaking, all this leads towards a simple end: the massive lowering of the living standards in the Western world. This is the goal of any behind-the-scenes elites.

They have garnered control of the systems apparatus to such an extent that they can manipulate it, control it, and destabilize it to their desires. And in this case they are succeeding through the Republican Tea party apparatus and philosophy to annihilate the middle class. This massive cutting of the budget and entitlements is the nail in the coffin of the lower and middle classes and the gateway to their total serfdom and permanent poverty.

By electing Obama or the elites bringing him into office . . . the “progressive, liberal big spender” becomes a symbol of all that the Republican Tea party fanatics have always hated: the smooth talking Negro there to take their money and give it to black welfare recipients and brown illegal aliens. Indeed, Obama is and has become the worst nightmare of this prototypical Tea party person who has been in the back door of the Republican Party seething for decades. This Obama figure is the last draw for these people even worst than Bill Clinton who at least bore a smiling white face behind his hated “liberalism” whereas Obama is the worst symbolic and real nightmare in the imagination of these folks psyche.

All this likely sinisterly designed by those hidden elites who had Obama and Hillary down there in Virginia at that Bilderberg conference after the 2008 democratic primary, when Obama got lost for hours and wouldn’t tell us where and what he was doing down there in and around that Bilderbergers conference at the same time he was supposed to be meeting Hillary.

Likely here is where they received their generalized overall orders that would guide them through what is happening today domestically and on foreign policy.

All this means is that Obama is a TOTAL puppet and the Tea party movement is a 100 percent manipulated group to move along the agenda of the NEW WORLD ORDER. . . . When they have fulfilled their purpose they will be dismissed and vanish into the fog of history.


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reply posted on 6-8-2011 @ 04:20 AM by sgreco
reply to post by SkepticOverlord


you asked, "Is it too late?

Was there ever any hope? "

I think the answers are, respectively, yes and no.

I'm really sad to admit it, too. I once belived that the ideals of America could prevail, even over those who use them as a lie to grow a global nation under corporate rule. But this has been going on for centuries. Before the East India Company, perhaps all the way back to Egypt. In one form or another, human government has been about global conquest and I think we're simply seeing the end of the equation. You can overthrow a government here or there but the forces behind them skitter back into the dark and bide their time. We, the little people, have never succeeded in routing it from our societies. We have fallen under pharoahs, kings and presidents and I simply don't see that changing any time soon.

Does it always have to be this way? No, I don't think it does. But I do think the earth-shattering change required to alter our destiny will be the purview of a far future generation. Keep the faith, spread the word and make sure your children know the truth so that they can continue to pass it on down the line. That's the only hope we've got.


reply posted on 6-8-2011 @ 05:05 AM by The Sword
Reply to post by jimmyx


It's pretty stupid to make the assumption that liberals will be the "next jews". Really stupid.

And for the LAST time, it's MARTIAL law, not marshal law. Why can't people get this right?

We're all losers no matter who "wins".


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