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"Damn The Country, Obama Must Fail"

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR


There must be a reason they are trying to "stop" Obama.


I agree and that something is fear.

I'm so glad I'm not the slave of fear.




posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Careful HH ...

Fear and hope can be the tools of the same puppeteer.


[edit on 11 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Sorry, but I totally disagree with term limits. These suggest the American public is stupid, and maybe they are, but term limits won't cure that. If people want to vote someone into office continuously, they should be allowed to do it. This is America.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
I definately agree that we need term limits. However, you know what would happen? Corporate America would just step up its efforts to corrupt people more quickly.


With all due respect, that is a rather outdated — if not obsolete — perspective. The big, bad Corporate America boogie-man no longer exists as an independent entity pulling the strings of Big Government.

Today, and particularly in just the last six months, we have seen Big Government literally merge with Corporate America. Essentially, our central government owns America's banking system, having purchased hundreds of billions of dollars in bad loans, having "bailed out" a defective system to continue its worst practices for another decade at least, thus defeating the purpose and function of free market capitalism.

Our central government now effectively owns one of the largest automotive corporations in the world and is not only dictating company policy but is dictating company direction into the so-called "green economy."

Our central government is relying on union thugs for crowd control in purely political Town Hall meetings across America — and our president himself has mandated that the government should "hit back twice as hard" to put down public dissent, thus pitting the government as an adversary against the American people.

This is waay beyond the old Corporate America blue meanies of the 60s and 70s. This is a new and more insidious animal altogether.

The important thing, at this point, is for the American people to regain control over Washington while we still can — and I believe imposing Congressional term limits is an important first step in ridding our political system of all the Grand Wizards and power-mongering career politicians who are steering us inexorably over the precipice.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Yeah, I am afraid of what is coming also.
Thankfully I'm not a slave to fear either.

This is why I joined the US Army.

But seriously, as I don't understand how someone can sit there and think that EITHER political party that has been firmly entrenched in American powergrabs as long as these two have, is actually going to do anything for the betterment of the American People unless their power was at stake, this is getting worrysome.

This really tells me that the Republicans are out for blood because they don't think there will be a two party system anylonger when Obama is finished. Draw your own conclusions from there.

If you are cool with that, good for you.

I'm not.

We need more parties, not fewer.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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Oh, I understand the issues you just presented and I agree they it is definately a critical issue.
However, the point still stands that the Government will still "side" with whomever can throw more of their balance sheets at them regardless.

Even with the Green initiative.

The Government hasn't mandated that these corporations pay the Government money. In fact, it is just the opposite.
The Corporations have basically mandated that the Government shell THEM money.
But only the most well-connected Corporations.

We need to get that connectedness outa here.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:22 PM
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Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Originally posted by JayinAR


There must be a reason they are trying to "stop" Obama.


I agree and that something is fear.

I'm so glad I'm not the slave of fear.


I think this is missing the point, ultimately. The point is that the party not holding office or majority will do what they can to gain office/majority...which includes undermining the party/representative individuals who do possess office.

The competition between the parties seems to have taken precedence over the good will of the nation.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:26 PM
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Guys, ultimately what SO is describing in the OP is not that new or unusual ...

A simple inquiry into the concept of "party before country" will reveal as much.

What is unusual is the degree, even more unusual is that SO heard it with his own ears, straight from the elephant's mouth. That in itself should tell us something because there's sure to be a poopstorm if they're not even bothering to hide it.

We've talked about so many angles on this thread but it really and ultimately comes down to this:

The only way they can sell it is if you/we buy it ... so don't buy it.


And do us all a favor and don't try to pitch it here.


[edit on 11 Aug 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:27 PM
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I'm not so sure it does.
I mean, to quote the OP "The Republicans have their Long-Knives out."

The question is why now would they risk the longevity of the Nation (Damn the Country) to Stop Obama?

I'm begining to think that it is because they see what is coming and are trying whatever they can to oust him.
Afterall, we didn't see this stuff last go around when we had a leader who's apparent goal was Global Conquest.

Yet you go restructuring the system and people are ready to shed blood over it on the Hill.

They are worried that when this plays out that their jobs will disappear as there will be only One person in charge.

The Chosen One.

IMO of course.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:32 PM
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Thank you for sharing your experience with ATS, and your insights gained!

So the two headed beast is not a conspiracy...it is a reality you tell us.

Aaahhhh....how to slay the dragon. I wonder if any of our Presidents had that vision once, and sold out, caved in, gave up?

Not to say that youth is innocence...

Although Barack Obama is fairly young to have climbed to the Oval Office. Interesting to find a speech he made before he became The President...www.gwu.edu...

Take Back America...

At the current time it looks as if he is on a different course!

And our last Presidnet, Bush. Did he have true aspirations...or did he follow in Dad's footsteps? We narrowly escaped a second Clinton rule when Barack Obama was chosen.

So now, we the people have a President that has sworn his allegiance to us, and The United States...yet seems to have lost his way immediatetly, or before he took office.

I am sure I am not the only one to wonder when the larger beast will rear it's ugly head in fashion and we will no longer feel at home in our own country. What beast might that be?

Which leads me to a question for you and all...
Can we hold on to what we have got before it is wrenched away from us and thrown into the stew of globalization?




[edit on 11-8-2009 by burntheships]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
WOW, I have read every post but I am still having a hard time with the fact the owner of a conspiracy theory site went to Washington and told them he was an owner of a conspiracy theory site



A certain AC/DC song comes to mind.

There was a bright spot... one of the Congressmen knew our site... even so far as to say he was a fan of our UFO topics. It wouldn't be appropriate for me to say who... but I suppose I can say his state has some arid land.


For the most part, I encountered little surprise that a site like ATS would be represented at this event... but perhaps some surprise that our representation was better dressed than some lobbyists.
(My suits from my days as an ad exec still fit nicely)



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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I wonder if there wasn't much surprise shown because these folks on some level respect what goes on here.
I would also venture that more than one know of this site.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

For the most part, I encountered little surprise that a site like ATS would be represented at this event... but perhaps some surprise that our representation was better dressed than some lobbyists.
(My suits from my days as an ad exec still fit nicely)


So you're in!


Operation "Column No. 5" is a go?



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:41 PM
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What I will say might offend some.

But our system has flaws and needs to be re written entirely.

It was for a time the best of the world, but those who were smart and crafty both foreign and domestic piece by piece have found the weaknesses and circumvented our system of checks and balances, corrupted the system away from the people and I dare say... It frightens me given the number of lobbyists out there, who and what interests they might actually represent.

The pure truth is, most do not represent you or I

Representative voting is no longer a system that works

The only genuine answer to the situation is a new system, a true system of Democratic process by which the actual vote of the people is accepted on all issues of law...

Right now we vote for representation, a Man or Woman, fallible, corruptible to represent us by location at various levels and they go on to vote on actual Law and Policy

We have in our hands a tool, via the internet that can allow you and I a say in every issue.

And I know, it would take literal revolution, hopefully and god willing a peaceful one in order for a system by which we directly vote on issues that impacts our lives to be put in place. Both on a community level and a national level.

It is however Technologically possible and right now... we do not have Democracy, the world has never seen true Democracy

We vote for men and women who then decide for us, in a system that has divided up districts, with politicians who often are there for self gain and lobbyists who promote only the interests of those who can afford them.

This is NOT the goal of Democracy

It is fair to say, that for a time it was the best we had.

That no longer is true...

At the speed of light from home, every issue can be voted on, by us without the influence of lobbyists and if they need to lobby or wish to, they would have to lobby for our opinions our beliefs address us directly.

Some would say this is not possible

But I would disagree, every home has a VCR, a TV a Cable box an Electric Meter a Water Meter... when it comes to taking our money, it would seem it is easy to install a box for anything.

It would not be difficult or impossible to install a voting box in every home, to achieve a true Democracy finally.

If the Will was there it could be done, I dare say it would be easy.

This is of course no one's desire in Washington, The corporate world or even in the International corridors of power those in the system of course like their jobs.

It seems it is possible to change the standard of every television set in America.... this is supported... for no sane reason i can think of.

Somehow, the notion of true Democracy and the technical ease at which it could be done is lost in our Capital

But in the end, this is the one way I know of to genuinely give both the politicians and lobbyists their walking papers

And I believe, This is inevitable

I can only hope that sanity prevails and it does not come down to conflict or collapse before our system gets an upgrade to the New Millennium




















[edit on 11-8-2009 by mopusvindictus]



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:45 PM
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I cant believe you mentioned that, I was DYING to know what you wore! I KNEW it! You were one Sharp dressed Man.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:46 PM
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You know you kind of bring up another thought with that.

Even though, as you found out first hand that our government is run by special interest, did you ever get the impression that some of them disagreed with the way things are and that they would actually work for the people, they just lack the fortitude to do so?

Or did they all just come off as corrupt just continuing the dog and pony show and make you feel important? I know you mentioned in your OP that you couldn't tell if they were sincere or not, but in your opinion do you think if we(in general as an country) struck the right cord that we could actually gain some "friends" on the inside?



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:49 PM
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He actually did touch on that.
The lobbyist who spoke about the issues here as if it were a weight off his chest.

Obviously, this man agrees with a lot of stuff here, but he is a slave to the dollar just like the rest of the crooked Fs up there.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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I was called on a political survey before the election as to what party I was in favor of and I said Independent or other. Sad to say that it doesn't seem likely that will ever happen and have to ask if it ever had and by what means.

I do believe in change and a Star Trek reality, but I've yet to be a trekkie fan to know that alleged history for sure either. Obama is a Star Trek fan, if that means anything.

Young people want change and the old people just want to retire and not die broke. Still sounds like change to me with so many retired people now going broke. The American dream has turned into a nightmare.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by ClintK
Sorry, but I totally disagree with term limits. These suggest the American public is stupid...If people want to vote someone into office continuously, they should be allowed to do it. This is America.


Even if it means allowing the country to die the death of a thousand bad ideas? I think not.

Look, in any given election, only about a quarter of the population votes...and that's on a good day. Of that quarter, a little more than half the voters succeed in electing their candidate or adopting new propositions or whatever.

Which means only about 1/8 of the American population make the decisions that steer the course of the entire nation. When you read the headlines "The American People Have Spoken!" they're talking about 1/8 or less of the American people. The remaining 7/8 have not spoken.

It would be easy, would it not, for such a minority of voters to take the entire country in any number of directions, even down the slippery slope to socialism, or communism, or fascism, as long as they continued to control the vote and continued to hold political office for term-after-term-after-term.

Term limits is a safety valve to prevent this from happening. It would prevent career politicians from attaining a broad (and corrupt) power base, it would prevent them from holding the steering wheel for decades, guiding the nation into yawning abysses on both the Left and Right.

This nation survives by making course corrections — we go left for a while until everyone is sick of the liberal smegma, then we go right for a while until everyone is sick of that, and it goes back and forth rather predictably.

In recent decades, we've set term limits on the Presidency itself, so that a "popular" president doesn't drag the country down the crapper with his awful ideas term-after-term-after-term. (see FDR's reign for more on that).

I don't think I'm going to change your mind if you oppose term limits, but I will say that limiting the amount of power and play-time in Washington is essential to getting our country back.

— Doc Velocity



posted on Aug, 12 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Is it too late?

Was there ever any hope?




There is hope.....

Hope will come from the special interest groups, or people or groups at least at that level or higher....some group, some person will come forward to inspire the majority

Gerald Celente says 1/3 need to wake up before serious change starts to take shape......but you need someone who that 1/3 will connect with.

Show this 1/3rd a link to ATS and they'll hit the back button within 5 min.....they don't get it when work is required.


The call for change has to come from a strong leader, a recognised person with rhetoric that connects and makes sense.....the key point will be how good the message can be delivered to make people wake up. Perhaps a positive false flag is required.

I have hope that such a person (undoubtedly part of a wider group) will come forward.

In the meantime I read and share my thoughts with friends, family and acquaintances.....you'd be surprised how many people have some sense that things are screwed up and are willing to take action.


once again, you need a message or moment that connects and tips these people over.....that's the key



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