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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Azen thorhammer
Well for me it's free will above life. I'd rather die than not have a will of my own.
Other than that, love can only go so far before bankrupting and destroying a people. Again, logic should rule most, and morals should exist where they should, such as saving the weak and dieing. But besides that logic should be used. When an enemy shoots at you, you shot him in a place that hurts so he won't shoot back. When a refugee begs for help, talk him in and comfort him. When an innocent is in the way of a dictator, walk around him and shoot him from behind. Logic, not live, can dictate what is best. Logic of a well educated person.
Free will must be preserved at all costs.
Originally posted by Azen thorhammer
c. Some guy blows up the world in his basement with technology we don't even know of yet.
[edit on 11-8-2009 by Azen thorhammer]
Originally posted by thaknobodi
love everyone, trust no one, trust in the order unfolding with love and logical trust. not love of blind trust. think for yourselves, question authrity, 'n all that jazz. thanks man.
Amen Awomen. I just hope things turn out ok for humanity as a whole in the future. Who #ing knows how things will go.
Originally posted by Aeons
Let us examine that.
There surely are very bad people in the World. Of all stripes, and variations in group hierarchies.
Do you really think that in getting rid of one, you'll be free of the bad people?
Because you surely will not.
There is no "badness" gene. No litmus test. There is no test to apply that will assure that someone with the will to lead is and will remain a decent person.
Your option to be "free" of the bad people, of any type, isn't their elimination. They cannot be eliminated. In the abscense, the vaccuum created pulls in new people to replace the last ones. The percieved reward is enough to attract.
The bad people cannot be eliminated - they can be controlled and limited. Your option is to get in, and show people how to throw their weight behind what isn't evil.
It is great to have your eye on your ideals. Sometimes, you need to look down from your lofty perches and realize that in arguing about your correctness, you've given your power away to those who can compromise. That the worst of those can and will encourage you to your righteous end, and watch all of you hang yourselves from your righteous perches.
That your influence can and does extend beyond, and recognizing IN YOURSELF that you do indeed have responsibility to the other people on the planet. Not just yourself, and your own. You are not just your brother's keeper, you are both an individual AND a member of the planet.
This doesn't mean that you are necessarily AT FAULT - a favourite game poeple play - You may not be the cause of the pain of evil upon the person's somewhere else. But your ability to perceive that pain, and impact the World to not accept and to resist the evil that causes it is ALL of our responsibility.
You want to know WHY people will always be attracted to running everything?
Because they CAN.
It is a bell that cannot be unrung.
Your "fight" is misinformed and misses the mark.
Up until you realize that the fight is not and can never really be to fight what is inevitable, you will continue to fail.
Your option is to DEFINE.
So lift your head up, and start thinking - how is that YOU effect the World. How can you, a member of the sleeping giant, make sure that what is nasty and evil will not rule and define what it means to be human?
[edit on 2009/9/17 by Aeons]