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Obama petitions high court against releasing prisoner abuse photos

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Obama petitions high court against releasing prisoner abuse photos


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Lawyers for President Barack Obama’s administration have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to block the release of photos showing prisoner abuse by US soldiers in Iraq.

In the petition, President Obama writes, “there are nearly 200,000 Americans who are serving in harm’s way, and I have a solemn responsibility for their safety as Commander-in-Chief. It is my judgment … that releasing these photos would inflame anti-American opinion and allow our enemies to paint United States troops with a broad, damning and inaccurate brush, thereby endangering them in theaters of war.”
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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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First we were told by President Bush that "we don't Torture"
Now apparently there are photos detailing that in fact we do torture.
And the President that promised transparency [Obama] has decided that there are some secrets worth hiding.

I was brought up to believe that Americans were the good guys and we held ourselves to a higher standard, that we had God on our side, that we wore the white hats.

I feel if we are ever to take back the pride and honor we once had as a nation, that our transgressions need to see the light of day.

Releasing photos won't make our enemies hate us anymore than they already do. But by keeping secrets, our friends lose trust.

And apparently we hold others to a higher standard than we ourselves are willing to adopt. Hypocracy

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 10:26 AM
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They may not hate us anymore after seeing them, but it could give them a boost to try a little harder.

A motivator can be a hell of a thing.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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I think in this instance, Whaa, our 'friends' are more than likely complicit in the torture.

I think we,as a community here, have argued this one before. I wanted disclosure of the photos so that the American people could see what has been done in their name.

Many others wanted them kept hidden to protect our troops.

Very interesting, not only to learn that our government has committed war crimes, but our new leader for change, is basically just keeping all of THAT crap the same.

We can change healthcare, banking, private industry, but when it comes to committing crimes against other peoples, in the name of freedom and democracy (barf,) everything stays the same.

I will be very interested to see how this discussion plays out. Thank youu for bringing a great topic to discussion.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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I'm definitely on the fence in this case.

I can't imagine the photographic evidence NOT being used to vilify and malign the character of the nation as a whole. People will rightly say "Americans allowed this to happen" and they will have little inclination to excuse it as the actions of an administration exercising an ideology that the American people did not endorse.

While those who are in harms way now, could hardly be in any more danger than they are already in, there is the eventuality of our own citizen-soldiers being captured and subjected to revenge; r at the very least, treated with the same harshness and inhumanity that these pictures reportedly show.

I fear that exactly what many of us on ATS feared is very real. By adopting a rationale that allowed for the use of private or CIA 'specialists' and hindered those in the military who objected and resisted the acts, we have damned ourselves for yet another form of 'blow-back' - and this will be more personal and intense than any ideological rhetoric we've seen thus far.

Sadly, the real tragedy is the misconception that this kind of treatment hasn't been used by world-leaders and their 'special' patriots for centuries, if not millennia. In the name of fear and anger, they further the use of such measures that utterly deny human dignity and respect. In the end, it is not those who 'decide' it's OK to pay the price, hence most of the resistance from those who do.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 11:26 AM
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The release of the photos may very well end the war!

Soldiers may finally grow some balls and say forget this immoral war!
There's no honor or courage in being a mobster's slave!

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posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
The release of the photos may very well end the war!

Soldiers may finally grow some balls and say forget this immoral war!
There's no honor or courage in being a mobster's slave!

check my signature!


Sadly I don't think the release of the pictures would do either one but perhaps it might awaken those that have a distorted picture of what America actually has become. I doubt if we will ever know the truth about what the "war on terror" actually is.



posted on Aug, 11 2009 @ 09:45 PM
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I don't think Obama is trying to suppress the knowledge that torture has taken place. We all know it has, and so do most people in other countries. I personally don't need pictures to prove to me that it has happened.

What he's trying to do, I think, is avoid throwing gasoline on the flames and provoking ever more savage retaliation against our troops. The people these photos would further inflame are in societies where torture has always been used and condoned.

In the best of conditions I think they would torture their American captives. The pictures would only make it worse.

It may make some of us feel better morally to release the pictures, but it's important to think of those who are directly in harm's way. They face even more savage realities everyday than most of us know.

It's not morally superior to be responsible for even more torture deaths.

[edit on 11-8-2009 by Sestias]




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